Are the Days of Walking a DVC Reservation Numbered?

[Chili327]

Again, I'm not saying they shouldn't make a rule, they should make one if they can make one that will curtail walking, but as of now walking is not against the rules... And i would say the main reason it isn't against any rule is because they can't determine someone's intent, otherwise there would be a rule.

 

[Tatebeck]

So "technically walking" is still walking, so am I breaking a rule or no? And if so, which rule?

The part where you can only make a reservation 11 months out from your desired check in date

You had a desired check in date in mind, then modified it later which is ok.

If you make a reservation when your actual desired check in date is still over 11 months away, it is debatable whether or not you were eligible to book that reservation under the current rules, depending on how you read them.

 

[Sandisw]

You are technically walking if you continually modify it into the 11+7, but you aren't one of the "walkers" most people are talking about.

This situation would be fine under current rules and I think most would agree.

Your intent wasn't to skirt the 11 month window when making the reservation, but you may end up modifying it later, which is definitely allowed.

What is splitting some of us is whether or not the rules technically allow you to make a reservation 11 months away when your *sole* intention is to modify it forward and walk it to a date beyond the 11 month window, skirting current FCFS at 11 month booking rules.

No one is skirting the rule…they are skirting the INTENT of the rule which DVC has acknowledged is the problem.

And the reason people can skirt the intent of the rule is because DVC failed to make the rule specific enough to account for walking.

This is a contract and DVC can’t take action against an owner without clear guidelines.

They absolutely can change them to prohibit walking. And, if they do, you will not see them even use that word.

They will put in rules that limit medications which will result in owners no longer being able to walk. But that term is nothing more than making a trip and moving the check in date.

 

[Chili327]

The part where you can only make a reservation 11 months out from your desired check in date

That's all anyone ever does.

You had a desired check in date in mind, then modified it later which is ok.

Ok, i'm still with you, that's all anyone ever does, all is ok, & within the rules

If you make a reservation when your actual desired check in date is still over 11 months away, it is debatable whether or not you were eligible to book that reservation under the current rules, depending on how you read them.

But that's just like not a thing.. i don't even know what else to type. i'm stumped at how irrelevant that is. lol
It's not even Debatable, DVC will walk it for you.

Again...
No one makes a res for anything beyond 11 months.
No one modifies a res beyond 11 months.
The only difference is someone's original intent, which is unmeasurable or undetectable, so it is completely irrelevant, as I said. Intent can change.

That's like buying a mansion because you think you're going to win the lottery. or i don't even know how to compare that to anything because its like aliens or something... i give up i guess. i'm speechless.

 

[Tatebeck]

No one is skirting the rule…they are skirting the INTENT of the rule which DVC has acknowledged is the problem.

And the reason people can skirt the intent of the rule is because DVC failed to make the rule specific enough to account for walking.

This is a contract and DVC can’t take action against an owner without clear guidelines.

They absolutely can change them to prohibit walking. And, if they do, you will not see them even use that word.

They will put in rules that limit medications which will result in owners no longer being able to walk. But that term is nothing more than making a trip and moving the check in date.

I didn't say it DOES break the rules here.

I said if they 100% for sure intend to skirt the 11 month FCFS booking window via walking a reservation forward when making a reservation, then it is debatable if it violates current rules, depending on who you ask.

I am still waiting on a response to my very detailed question that the chat member did not want to commit to.

 

[Chili327]

Also, its time for me to close up shop so I'm throwing it the towel... *Claps Hands* Good Day All.

 

[Tatebeck]

That's all anyone ever does.



Ok, i'm still with you, that's all anyone ever does, all is ok, & within the rules



But that's just like not a thing.. i don't even know what else to type. i'm stumped at how irrelevant that is. lol
It's not even Debatable, DVC will walk it for you.

Again...
No one makes a res for anything beyond 11 months.
No one modifies a res beyond 11 months.
The only difference is someone's original intent, which is unmeasurable or undetectable, so it is completely irrelevant, as I said. Intent can change.

That's like buying a mansion because you think you're going to win the lottery. or i don't even know how to compare that to anything because its like aliens or something... i give up i guess. i'm speechless.

So many things are wrong here, I don't know what to tell you either

 

[Tatebeck]

Also, its time for me to close up shop so I'm throwing it the towel... *Claps Hands* Good Day All.
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Good day to you as well

 

[davidhr]

I thought those rules were taken down and they haven't replaced that definition with any new one? Is there any current definition and list of consequences?

We will have to disagree. They are lying. And I believe the rules do prohibit you from booking in this situation. If you don't that is fine. Either way we will have to see what they do

This is very easy to confirm. Someone can test it.

Make a reservation. Then in a day or two call member services and say “I want to move the reservation a day or two ahead. It was never my desire to check in that day. I just wanted to hold the room.”

They’ll let you know if it’s against the rules or not as the word “desire” is being explicitly used as it’s in the rules.

 

[Tatebeck]

This is very easy to confirm. Someone can test it.

Make a reservation. Then in a day or two call member services and say “I want to move the reservation a day or two ahead. It was never my desire to check in that day. I just wanted to hold the room.”

They’ll let you know if it’s against the rules or not as the word “desire” is being explicitly used as it’s in the rules.

That's definitely one way to ask it! I did use that wording in my official question. And I may use chat and try again for a different cast member if I get bored at work over the next couple days

 

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

Friends, I’m going to be annoyed if our dues go up because member services needs to hire additional employees because dozens of DISboards members keep bothering MS to ask about walking because a small minority here can’t accept that walking is simultaneously (1) not against the contractual rules but also (2) behavior that Disney sees as undesirable, against the spirit of the rules, and potentially problematic enough that it’s considering changing the rules to make it against the rules.

 

[tx911]

@ShaneDJ, I'm sorry my posts are making you so angry, but you're starting to freak me out with all the emojis

 

[Tatebeck]

Friends, I’m going to be annoyed if our dues go up because member services needs to hire additional employees because dozens of DISboards members keep bothering MSto ask about walking because a small minority here can’t accept that walking is simultaneously (1) not against the contractual rules but also (2) behavior that Disney sees as undesirable, against the spirit of the rules, and potentially problematic enough that it’s considering changing the rules to make it against the rules.

It's okay, they'll just raise Vero some more (kidding! Don't come for me!)

 

[DanCali]

I was away somewhat disengaged for a few days and saw this thread with 890+ posts in 7 days. They'll probably change the rules just to get people to stop calling...

Being also an owner with Marriott/Westin where modifying a reservation is simply not available I say be careful what you wish for... the alternative of cancel/rebook (and if you can't, your old reservation will have vanished) can be a lot worse and a lot more frustrating!

If you want to see how relatively happy owners change to frustrated ones, then change the reservation rules that have been in place for years and made those owners generally happy.

 

[tx911]

I was away somewhat disengaged for a few days and saw this thread with 890+ posts in 7 days. They'll probably change the rules just to get people to stop calling...

Being also an owner with Marriott/Westin where modifying a reservation is simply not available I say be careful what you wish for... the alternative of cancel/rebook (and if you can't, your old reservation will have vanished) can be a lot worse and a lot more frustrating!

If you want to see how relatively happy owners change to frustrated ones, then change the reservation rules that have been in place for years and made those owners generally happy.

Yes, this is precisely the risk. That's why I want people to stop walking reservations. Then no tightening of the current rules will be required.

 

[DanCali]

Yes, this is precisely the risk. That's why I want people to stop walking reservations. Then no tightening of the current rules will be required.

That won't stop.... I also believe a lot of people are walking reservations because others are doing so, and they have FOMO.

I've seen Bay Lake standard view studios get walked leaving no availability at 11 months, only to see that inventory get dropped a few days later and subsequently sit there for the taking for weeks. To me, that says there is also a lot of "unnecessary walking" that is happening. But this type of walking is also relatively harmless and doesn't hurt other owners since they can still book at 10.5 months out (dropped days don't get scooped up immediately like AKV value/club).

 

[Genie+]

What I asked is the exact definition of walking: securing a reservation outside the 11-month window and then continuously modifying it to move forward.

My point is that an owner could get a different answer depending on whom they speak with and how they ask the question. It is not as straightforward as some would believe.

^This is the point. Yes we can walk - it is possible today. Was the membership structured to operate booking over a year out and repeatedly moving it? No and it just wouldn’t make sense anyway… If they wanted booking privileges to start 14+ months out, they wouldn’t have written it as 11 months FCFS while not making clear the function of rolling a reservation much further out than 11 months.

People were double dipping FP+ with those in-park kiosks. Savvy guests figured out the 3 free FP+s were not tied to the park ticket and it was possible to get the in-park kiosks granted another set day-of in addition to 3 FP+ reserved in advance by not attaching their normal Disney account to the request. As far as I know nobody was ever reprimanded or stopped. WDW fixed it though - and well before it got way out of hand. Once they tied FP+ to each park ticket the exploit went away and surprise surprise the kiosk lines shriveled up. I imagine repeatedly deciding to change trip dates would shrivel up too.

 

[Sandisw]

Yes, this is precisely the risk. That's why I want people to stop walking reservations. Then no tightening of the current rules will be required.

My big hope is that they did say it’s not a common practice and that while open to considering changes to the system, the flexibility we currently have will end up being more important to them then fixing this loophole in the rules.

 

[tx911]

That won't stop.... I also believe a lot of people are walking reservations because others are doing so, and they have FOMO.

My big hope is that they did say it’s not a common practice and that while open to considering changes to the system, the flexibility we currently have will end up being more important to them then fixing this loophole in the rules.

Since walking begets more walking, as Dan said, the problem is only likely to grow. Hopefully if they try to implement a fix, they can figure out a way to do it while preserving the flexibility.

 

[Sandisw]

Since walking begets more walking, as Dan said, the problem is only likely to grow. Hopefully if they try to implement a fix, they can figure out a way to do it while preserving the flexibility.

Flexibility will change if they decide to fix it but hopefully, if it does it’s minimal.

IMO, I don’t think we will see any change for this. I think they will tackle commercial renting and use that as justification enough to leave things as status quo.

If I was them. I’d also institute the special season list/ lottery for those really hard to book rooms at AkV and BWV