Are the Days of Walking a DVC Reservation Numbered?

[lowlight]

I would like to show you one of my favorite places called the “Gray Area”…. It’s a place where many things are possible and exists in the land between getting everything you could ever want and the attorneys who don’t want you to have anything…..

A gray area is something that is unclear and exists outside of being completely wrong or right. This is something that is very clear- DVC just hasn't taken the time to enforce it because they didn't feel it was a big enough deal. Looks like they are finally addressing it. That's the whole purpose of this thread, welcome aboard. Same goes for commercial renting- it isn't a "gray area", it's an unenforced rule violation.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

They did not if they followed the rule…if you and I both want the 13th to the 20th and I book day by day to grade all my nights one by one and you wait and book when you were supposed to check out day, I have myself a head start for the nights of the 13th to 18th…by the time you start those nights might be gone.

Why do you think day by day was happening and increasing…because it gave owners a head start.

So, yes, day by day booking gives owners a head start to be the one to get a room over someone waits to book when the rules tell them to book

What rule is that??
I thought members were allowed to extend their stay?

 

[Sandisw]

perception this, proof that, it's not expressly prohibited, etc, etc etc.

Surely you recognize that it is an advantage gained at the expense of others?

Is that not enough reason not to do it? Apparently not, for many.

I am pretty sure some of us who are indifferent to walking understand that it gives an advantage but that is not the same as being unfair because everyone is allowed to do it, irrespective of whether it’s known or not.

The issue is whether their is a way to create new booking rules that limit modifications that don’t make booking in general more complicated or seen as a step backwards.

 

[Sandisw]

Keep the name calling out of this. So far, the conversation has been productive even with the different opinions….lets not go down the wrong path.

 

[lowlight]

The issue is whether their is a way to create new booking rules that limit modifications that don’t make booking in general more complicated or seen as a step backwards.

No, that's "your" issue. I'm not above a Pyrrhic victory, and I know I'm not alone. I will gladly take some personal pain in booking in the future if it means not a single person ever gets to walk again. That's "my" issue.

 

[AstroBlasters]

A gray area is something that is unclear and exists outside of being completely wrong or right. This is something that is very clear- DVC just hasn't taken the time to enforce it because they didn't feel it was a big enough deal. Looks like they are finally addressing it. That's the whole purpose of this thread, welcome aboard. Same goes for commercial renting- it isn't a "gray area", it's an unenforced rule violation.

Disney is the one who taught people how to do it in the first place!

 

[Sandisw]

What rule is that??
I thought members were allowed to extend their stay?

The one that said the 11 month window opened up your intended check out day…you were not supposed to book the days if your trip until you got to the 11 month window for what was your real check out day.

 

[tx911]

Disney is the one who taught people how to do it in the first place!

Then plaster it all over the DVC website.

This practice simply capitalizes on the fact that most owners are oblivious to walking, why it might be needed, and how to do it.

 

[AstroBlasters]

No, that's "your" issue. I'm not above a Pyrrhic victory, and I know I'm not alone. I will gladly take some personal pain in booking in the future if it means not a single person ever gets to walk again. That's "my" issue.

Dude…. that is some dark stuff right there….

 

[Sandisw]

No, that's "your" issue. I'm not above a Pyrrhic victory, and I know I'm not alone. I will gladly take some personal pain in booking in the future if it means not a single person ever gets to walk again. That's "my" issue.

Actually, that is the issue that board members stated at the meeting so I’d say it’s more than just mine…it’s theirs too.

 

[Genie+]

It’s tedious choosing between booking much further out than 11 months or getting my chances decimated. I’m just gonna start walking all my points for now on, then later decide what dates I want and stop there. Should’ve started 2 months ago on Oct 1st with my Sept UY. There’s always next year! Unless things change in 2025.

 

[tx911]

Dude…. that is some dark stuff right there….

Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. Consume you, it will.

 

[tx911]

It’s tedious choosing between booking much further out than 11 months or getting my chances decimated. I’m just gonna start walking all my points for now on, then later decide what dates I want and stop there. Should’ve started 2 months ago on Oct 1st with my Sept UY. There’s always next year! Unless things change in 2025.

If I'm picking between everyone walking and no one walking, I'll take door number 2.

 

[AstroBlasters]

Then plaster it all over the DVC website.

This practice simply capitalizes on the fact that most owners are oblivious to walking, why it might be needed, and how to do it.

Anyone can do it!

The information is literally everywhere for anyone who does even a teeny tiny bit of information about how DVC works.

The fact is that most people don’t need to do it because there is plenty of availability in the 7-11m window.

Commercial spec renting with bots and members using the system for their family’s own vacation use is just not the same thing.

 

[JOLT]

just make it so you cant modify 11 to 11+7 reservation you can only cancel and rebook. once it falls to 11-1 you can modify up till 11. you can never go past 11 months with a modification.

 

[Sandisw]

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This is why walking became an unintended consequence of the current system.

It assumed that people would base check in on their real check in date but that is not actually required…hence, why it works because the written rules are blind to intent.

 

[AstroBlasters]

I am so glad none of these suggestions will ever get implemented.

Walking saves me so much stress.

Ok, off to the bank to wire money to close another VGC contract….

 

[Chili327]

Anyone can do it!

The information is literally everywhere for anyone who does even a teeny tiny bit of information about how DVC works.

The fact is that most people don’t need to do it because there is plenty of availability in the 7-11m window.

Commercial spec renting with bots and members using the system for their family’s own vacation use is just not the same thing.

IF you have enough points to do it.

 

[dvcsince93]

The more I read, the more I see eliminating the +7 rule as the best solution. In actuality, those people following walkers tend to do that right now, since you have to wait for the walker to move on. Maybe you only eliminate it for the studios since that is where you find a vast majority of the walking.

This discussion about the merits of walking shows that rules have to be bright line as people are willing to rationalize doing anything to get the reservation that they want. Eliminating the +7 on studios wouldn't stop anyone from reserving an available room at any time once the 11 month window opens. It would, however, eliminate people from gaining an advantage by hindering others.

I guess the scope of rationalizations that people jump through to justify selfish behavior for something as relatively unimportant as a vacation club reservation shouldn't surprise me. (The definition of selfish is lacking consideration for others and objectively reserving a room that you don't want to use in a way that precludes me from reserving the room when I do want to use it, meets that definition no matter the reason.) It makes me wonder whether people who have rationalized walking are as quietly accepting and rational when selfish behavior negatively impacts them.

 

[tx911]

Anyone can do it!

The information is literally everywhere for anyone who does even a teeny tiny bit of information about how DVC works.

The fact is that most people don’t need to do it because there is plenty of availability in the 7-11m window.

Commercial spec renting with bots and members using the system for their family’s own vacation use is just not the same thing.

I never knew a thing about it until spending some time on these boards.

Most owners won't ever do that.

It shouldn't be something you have to search for if that's going to be the accepted mechanism for making reservations.