Are Teslas safe in Disney parking lots?

[dvcgirl67]

Dang, you wouldn't prosecute someone who damaged your vehicle? You do you, I guess.

Not if it meant they'd be prosecuted as a terrorist....no. If they were prosecuted as a vandal....as they would be in reasonable times...yes. But we're not living in reasonable times right now. I'm not out to destroy someone's life because they keyed my car.

 

[BrianL]

Dang, you wouldn't prosecute someone who damaged your vehicle? You do you, I guess.

Prosecuted is fine - labeled a terrorist is not. Keying a car is not terrorism. Firebombing a car - okay, sure, the case could be made, but that's a far cry from petty vandalism.

 

[leahgoogle]

Prosecuted is fine - labeled a terrorist is not. Keying a car is not terrorism. Firebombing a car - okay, sure, the case could be made, but that's a far cry from petty vandalism.

Well, if you damage my car and I can find you, I am prosecuting. It is on the perpetrator to know if they will be considered a terrorist or not before they do the damage. Easy solution....stop damaging people's cars and protest a peaceful way.

 

[BrianL]

Well, if you damage my car and I can find you, I am prosecuting. It is on the perpetrator to know if they will be considered a terrorist or not before they do the damage. Easy solution....stop damaging people's cars and protest a peaceful way.

Again, prosecuted commensurate to the crime is not a problem. Some are calling for going further than that. There is no way in this country that someone should expect to be charged with domestic terrorism for scratching someone's paint. I also don't think that would actually happen - it's just big talk - ridiculous talk. One lawmaker over the weekend was calling peaceful protests "evil." That kind of rhetoric is not constructive.

 

[leahgoogle]

Again, prosecuted commensurate to the crime is not a problem. Some are calling for going further than that. There is no way in this country that someone should expect to be charged with domestic terrorism for scratching someone's paint. I also don't think that would actually happen - it's just big talk - ridiculous talk. One lawmaker over the weekend was calling peaceful protests "evil." That kind of rhetoric is not constructive.

I would not press to charge the vandal with anything more than vandalism, but it a terrorism charge is automatically attached to it, it would not prevent me from prosecuting them. Why should I pay for the damage to my vehicle and hit my insurance if I can find the person who did it? The vandals need to keep up with what crimes they will be charged with.

 

[Minnie1222]

Is keying any car an act of domestic terrorism? Or just Teslas?

 

[BrianL]

I would not press to charge the vandal with anything more than vandalism, but it a terrorism charge is automatically attached to it, it would not prevent me from prosecuting them. Why should I pay for the damage to my vehicle and hit my insurance if I can find the person who did it? The vandals need to keep up with what crimes they will be charged with.

Well, we don't have to be complicit in government overreach. Also, catching and prosecuting the guy doesn't mean you don't have to pay for it. That's a seperate issue. You may be able to recover costs, but that is dependent on thir ability to pay. If they get shipped down to Guantanamo, that would severely hamper their ability to pay anyway, wouldn't it?

 

[leahgoogle]

Well, we don't have to be complicit in government overreach. Also, catching and prosecuting the guy doesn't mean you don't have to pay for it. That's a seperate issue. You may be able to recover costs, but that is dependent on thir ability to pay. If they get shipped down to Guantanamo, that would severely hamper their ability to pay anyway, wouldn't it?

Well, I don't have to be a sympathizer to someone who committed a crime against me. Even if they can't pay, I can make sure they are charged for their crime so they don't commit more crimes against others.

 

[BrianL]

Well, I don't have to be a sympathizer to someone who committed a crime against me. Even if they can't pay, I can make sure they are charged for their crime so they don't commit more crimes against others.

It's not about sympathy. It's not about what they do - it's about what we do. Personally, I wouldn't be comfortable if someone scratched my car and they wanted to give the perpetrator 10 years, or life, or the death penalty. I would be at the trial speaking against that - not because I feel bad for the perp, but because it wouldn't be right to impose that kind of punishment for that particular crime.

 

[leahgoogle]

It's not about sympathy. It's not about what they do - it's about what we do. Personally, I wouldn't be comfortable if someone scratched my car and they wanted to give the perpetrator 10 years, or life, or the death penalty. I would be at the trial speaking against that - not because I feel bad for the perp, but because it wouldn't be right to impose that kind of punishment for that particular crime.

I believe the terrorist charges would only be for those blowing up teslas or tesla charging stations.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/atto...evere-charges-against-violent-tesla-arsonists

 

[DCLMP]

Not if it meant they'd be protected as a terrorist....no. If they were prosecuted as a vandal....as they would be in reasonable times...yes. But we're not living in reasonable times right now. I'm not out to destroy someone's life because they keyed my car.

What if it was like 3 years ago. Would you have felt differently? Don't you drive that car because you believe in global warming?

 

[whiteness]

I believe the terrorist charges would only be for those blowing up teslas or tesla charging stations.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/atto...evere-charges-against-violent-tesla-arsonists

If anyone intentionally firebombed cars in a Disney parking lot, I certainly hope they spend a long time in jail for that. I don't think it matters what make of car they firebomb, either.

 

[DCLMP]

I believe the terrorist charges would only be for those blowing up teslas or tesla charging stations.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/atto...evere-charges-against-violent-tesla-arsonists

They were never going to charge people keying a car with terrorism. That is a false argument.

 

[Minnie1222]

I would not press to charge the vandal with anything more than vandalism, but it a terrorism charge is automatically attached to it, it would not prevent me from prosecuting them.

So if you accidentally backed into my Tesla (I do own 2 Teslas), I can pretend that you did it on purpose and have you charged with domestic terrorism?

 

[thanxfornoticin]

Is keying any car an act of domestic terrorism? Or just Teslas?

This is a question that's been on my mind, too. All the 'news' coverage is around Tesla vandalism. Other EVs and definitely other cars continue to be vandalized, but no real conversation about those. There is zero doubt the people who vandalize should be charged with the vandalism. But to single out the Tesla portion of the vandalism and trying to make it "domestic terrorism" is strictly political rhetoric in a period of our history where political rhetoric is a big problem.

But people need to stop this nonsense of equating damage to a Tesla as a way to get back at the owner of the company. It's flawed and only hurts common people, not the owner. In too many cases, it's just another excuse for the vandalism.

 

[leahgoogle]

So if you accidentally backed into my Tesla (I do own 2 Teslas), I can pretend that you did it on purpose and have you charged with domestic terrorism?

See post above. It would be if someone actually blew up your Tesla.

 

[leahgoogle]

This is a question that's been on my mind, too. All the 'news' coverage is around Tesla vandalism. Other EVs and definitely other cars continue to be vandalized, but no real conversation about those. There is zero doubt the people who vandalize should be charged with the vandalism. But to single out the Tesla portion of the vandalism and trying to make it "domestic terrorism" is strictly political rhetoric in a period of our history where political rhetoric is a big problem.

But people need to stop this nonsense of equating damage to a Tesla as a way to get back at the owner of the company. It's flawed and only hurts common people, not the owner. In too many cases, it's just another excuse for the vandalism.

But, that is what it is. They are specifically doing it because of hating Musk. I can't go further since this is not the controversial forum. This is going into the political realm quickly.

 

[EACarlson]

I don't think vandals should be prosecuted like terrorists. They should be prosecuted for sure....based on the amount of property damage inflicted. If someone got hurt or killed in one of these instances, they should be prosecuted for those crimes as well. Same as any other vandal, or person charged with manslaughter, aggravated assault...etc.

All that I'm saying....that I would not personally turn someone in for messing with my Tesla only to have them be "over" prosecuted for terrorism....something that could absolutely destroy someone's life....because my car is keyed. It's way over the top....and only being described as terrorism because our Co-President/Chief Little Buddy owns the company.

It appears you need to be educated on the definition of terrorism. Here is the FBI's definition:

Domestic terrorismhttps://www.fbi.gov/file-repository...-definitions-terminology-methodology.pdf/viewhttps://www.fbi.gov/file-repository...-definitions-terminology-methodology.pdf/view: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature

I would certainly expect that firebombing Tesla service centers and dealerships would fall under that category. I don't believe that keying a vehicle would qualify, but wouldn't be the first time a federal prosecutor overcharged.

Is keying any car an act of domestic terrorism? Or just Teslas?

In can be, the question is why. See the definition above. I don't believe keying car would be an act of domestic terrorism, lighting one of fire just because of the make of it would be.

 

[BrianL]

I believe the terrorist charges would only be for those blowing up teslas or tesla charging stations.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/atto...evere-charges-against-violent-tesla-arsonists

That was already mentioned and the exercise is purely academic. I don't think that anyone would actually be charged with terrorism for keying a Tesla - and if they were I think a judge would laugh it out of court. There are however some people using extremely hyperbolic rherotic regarding the anti-Tesla movement, whether it actually be violent or not. The fact is we live in such a charged society right now that nothing surprises me. This is a "What if?" scenario only at this point though. Some have stated that they would definitely care about that, and some have said that they wouldnt.

 

[Minnie1222]

What if it was like 3 years ago. Would you have felt differently? Don't you drive that car because you believe in global warming?

I've had Teslas before the majority of the people knew what they were. And NO, I would NEVER push a terrorism charge on anyone for scratching my vehicle.

Global warming is real! Unfortunately, people would need basic knowledge of science to understand it.