Are Disney prices too high?

We mostly do counter service, but whenever I read posts about the pricier restaurants, the major complaint seems to be about the quality of the food. It seems that people are paying a premium for the decor and the theming, but for those prices, the food should be good, too. I was shocked to hear that the food at BOG is just decent or downright bad.

I understand charging a premium price for a premium product. But charging a premium price for a mediocre product? That's unconsionable. It seems that Disney is ordering arbitrary budget cuts in the restaurants, when the profit margins are already sky high as it is.
 
Um, Walt was indeed a great visionary but he didn't have a lick of business sense. Without help, he would have run the company straight into bankruptcy.
I don't know he did buy a lot of ground in Florida for a project that was a risk that kinda worked out!
 
On our last trip, we spent eight days at WDW but only a half day at Epcot. We did intend to do more than that, but just didn't get around to it. It just wasn't a strong enough priority to allocate the time for it. Epcot needs a revamp.
We have always gone 4 or 5 days tops. We haven't gone since 2011 and with the sheer lack of things not being added not to mention the number of things taken away combined with price increases at every turn we can't justify the expense. I sure don't want to fly down for one really good park, one park that I can take or leave and two parks being stripped down like a car parked in a bad neighborhood in a big city! Not to mention the money that could of been spent on attractions went to a ride allotment system that in my opinion made it so much harder to plan a trip!
 
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We mostly do counter service, but whenever I read posts about the pricier restaurants, the major complaint seems to be about the quality of the food. It seems that people are paying a premium for the decor and the theming, but for those prices, the food should be good, too. I was shocked to hear that the food at BOG is just decent or downright bad.

I understand charging a premium price for a premium product. But charging a premium price for a mediocre product? That's unconsionable. It seems that Disney is ordering arbitrary budget cuts in the restaurants, when the profit margins are already sky high as it is.
One of the reasons they raised the non character buffet prices so high, was simply to justify the cost of the Dining plan increase. Combine lower quality food, I find the service to be less, higher cost for Tables in Wonderland, cc guarantee, and disprortionate rate increases leads to a worse experience.
 
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With those soulless number crunchers leading them to do it, they poured $2 billion down the drain with their unneeded MyMagic+ initiative. Not to mention the untold millions wasted every year for their salaries.

If you have a great product that everyone wants, you don't need any of the cynical manipulation that the bean counters love. Just open your doors and let the customers eagerly give you their money.

Walt started from scratch and accomplished miracles, with little more than guts and a dream. The managers of his legacy today have vast resources, yet they seem to think the public has to be manipulated into parting with their money. That's why they keep hiring these soulless MBA types, instead of creative visionaries who can build great IPs.

Guts and a dream and a bean counting brother.
 
I don't know he did buy a lot of ground in Florida for a project that was a risk that kinda worked out!

He made many such smart BUSINESS moves. It's ridiculous to say "he didn't have a lick of business sense." And yes, Roy did a great deal for the company as well. As I said, I read a Disney biography, and his contribution was invaluable.

But today, there is a an imbalance; too many bean counters, too few visionary leaders.
 
Prices in 1972.

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$5 for admission and 8 attractions, and $0.50 to park. And back then...

Average Cost of new house $27,550.00. That current cost is now 10x that amount.
Average Income per year $11,800.00. That number has grown 5x.
Cost of a gallon of Gas 55 cents. This number has also grown around 5x.

I guess I should have specifically stated that I'm speaking of the time period since my kids were little and we have been going regularly. I have one of those tickets that my dad got when he took us in 1979. But at that time when we went, the only park that existed was the Magic Kingdom. I don't feel like that is really a fair comparison to what exists now at all. When my kids were small and we took week long trips, the prices were high for that time compared to other places we went. It remains the same now for us. The difference is we don't get at other places what we get for a week at Disney. So I'll restate what I said in better context...since my family has been attending regularly(1992), I feel like Disney has always been a trip that costs more than the average trip for US. We feel it's worth it, so I'll just respectfully disagree.
 
Sorry for the double post, but I've been reading these last pages. I agree with those who don't understand why people care about who spends money on things. I don't do premium parties like dessert parties and fireworks cruises. My family can't afford it. I could never pay the hefty price tag that would be required for two rooms at the Grand Floridian for a week. But if someone else can, and they love it, who am i to say whether that's stupid or not? And if Disney finds out people will, then they should have it. Why shouldn't they if someone is willing to pay?

You can have a bargain basement trip or a downright luxurious trip. This is America and it's up to you.
 
He made many such smart BUSINESS moves. It's ridiculous to say "he didn't have a lick of business sense." And yes, Roy did a great deal for the company as well. As I said, I read a Disney biography, and his contribution was invaluable.

But today, there is a an imbalance; too many bean counters, too few visionary leaders.
There are some great visionary minds involved with the studios aspect of the company. I'm not sure there are any in the parks division.
 
Sorry for the double post, but I've been reading these last pages. I agree with those who don't understand why people care about who spends money on things. I don't do premium parties like dessert parties and fireworks cruises. My family can't afford it. I could never pay the hefty price tag that would be required for two rooms at the Grand Floridian for a week. But if someone else can, and they love it, who am i to say whether that's stupid or not? And if Disney finds out people will, then they should have it. Why shouldn't they if someone is willing to pay?

You can have a bargain basement trip or a downright luxurious trip. This is America and it's up to you.
I'll clarify that I really don't care how people spend their money but I just find it amazing at the ways they'll just hand it over at Disney. On both the DW and DL editions of the podcast this week they were in awe at the cost of many of these new "experiences" being offered and the fact that people were so willing to just hand the money over.

There was a post earlier where the comment was made about a 30k turkey leg and the reality is if Disney went that way someone would buy it just to say they had it. On top of that others would by tickets to a special viewing of the person eating the turkey leg and then others would but tshirts to commemorate the eating of the turkey leg. It's simply marketing genius.
 
Perhaps the lack of attractions at epcot is finally starting to wear on the Disney faithful. I see a similar pattern happening for the studios too. This has to be especially disturbing when you are hitting high attendance numbers for the magic kingdom. People apparently are already putting a cap on some spending if they won't visit another park (EPCOT)while at Disney because they obviously aren't seeing the value in going to it like the magic kingdom!

I don't think Epcot having a lack of attractions is accurate. From the 90's they are kind of down one in wonders of life. They have even changed out some of the shows in world showcase to the point where I think they number the same. I think it is lack of new attractions and the sad state of rides like Imagination, Living with the Land, Finding Nemo. The bigger issue is the lack of new attractions be it lands or rides that would grab people and make them say we have not seen that before. The Frozen remake of Maelstrom is at least an attempt at that. Hopefully they adjust the track to make it a little longer by 30 to 60 seconds but I doubt they will go that far.
 
I don't know he did buy a lot of ground in Florida for a project that was a risk that kinda worked out!
Walt had vision and Roy made it work without bankrupting the company. Disney needed both Walt and Roy and later Eisner needed Wells for the same reason.
 
Sorry for the double post, but I've been reading these last pages. I agree with those who don't understand why people care about who spends money on things. I don't do premium parties like dessert parties and fireworks cruises. My family can't afford it. I could never pay the hefty price tag that would be required for two rooms at the Grand Floridian for a week. But if someone else can, and they love it, who am i to say whether that's stupid or not? And if Disney finds out people will, then they should have it. Why shouldn't they if someone is willing to pay?

I only care when it effects me. Like last years Villians Soriee removing Villians from the crowds in favor of people willing to spend more $ to meet them exclusively.
 
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Sorry for the double post, but I've been reading these last pages. I agree with those who don't understand why people care about who spends money on things. I don't do premium parties like dessert parties and fireworks cruises. My family can't afford it. I could never pay the hefty price tag that would be required for two rooms at the Grand Floridian for a week. But if someone else can, and they love it, who am i to say whether that's stupid or not? And if Disney finds out people will, then they should have it. Why shouldn't they if someone is willing to pay?

You can have a bargain basement trip or a downright luxurious trip. This is America and it's up to you.

One of the nicest things about a WDW vacation is that peole can choose thir budget and then fond ways to emain within that budget. WE just came back from that 2 room CL level at the GF. For my family, this one wasworth the cost because we took the little family down the street with us, and for the two little ones, unless my DH and I take tham again, it wil be their only trip. Mom and Dad are not DIsney people, and to be honest, Mom hated every minute. Anyway,we saved and saved since last October in order to pay for this trip and we do not regret one penny. My family was able to join us and it was spectacular, if you discount the stinky weather. That was not pretty, and we ate not troopers, so we did not power through the storms and heat.

I don't think you need all the extras though, and for the most part, unless my DH is with us, we do not have any. WE stay moderate, use the DDP, and have very little OOP expense. I am not a shopper so I may add a cup to my collection, but that is it. ASide from a few cocktails and maybe an appetizer th DDP covers our trip so not much food added either.

I lie you, do not care how people spend their money and find it odd that there are so many people who disparage how families choose to vacation. I wuld never ever say that food in th room for breakfast is "cheap" and I am thrilled when people get to celebrate their dream by staying in a suite or gong to V&A. SOmeday I will have my meal there too....but not for a while! I don't cook on vacation ever, but if people want to, that is fine with me. Disney does make it easy for families to save on meals if they choose to. The Food Courts have toasters and microwaves for use. FOod and beverages are allowed int the parks. There is never a plate charge if you share. You ae not forced to pay for character interactions. Yes you need to stand in a line, but we did that for years, and I still do! CS restaurants offer more that hot dogs and nuggets, and TS restaurants are affordable for chldren's meals.

In my opinion, it is disespectful to ridicule families decisions in regards to their vacation planning, or to make the leap that the only way people afford to vacation is to slap the cost on a CC> There are a multitude of ways to save while in WDW nad a mutitude of ways to spend. It's all good to me, and I wish that when people discuss the costs incurrred whi vacationing, they rfrained from disparaging those people who share their vacations secrets, both saving and spending.
 
I've never read something more silly in my life.

Then you aren't familiar with Walt as a businessman.

The man was a creative genius and he had an artist's temperament to go along with that. He wanted to see and do great things, but he was not a good businessman - by his own admission. He bankrupted his first company and was never really financially sound.

But heck, don't take my word for it: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/13/b...isionary-who-was-crazy-like-a-mouse.html?_r=0
 
They are definitely in a stage or business plan to push the pricing as far as they can to extract the most money they can. That is a relatively new decision (also combine that with a net loss in attractions and cut back on staffing) and you have a business model that is less customer friendly.

Just because Disney can push the limits as far as the market will bear, doesn't mean it has to. It will eventually lead to a backlash.

I wonder if they are getting away with it because of a robust Foreign market. Although attendance is high, growth rate hasn't been high. Are more domestic customers cutting their trips, and being replaced with more world wide customers?


When compared, to other entertainment venues, parks, concerts, SPORTS, they are ALL charging high prices, as much as they can. a family of four , for a 3 hour baseball game, $400.00.easy, yet Disney is a whole day.

If there is ever a back lash......then that is when they will have to cut back. They are spending billions now to improve the parks as well.


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Then you aren't familiar with Walt as a businessman.

The man was a creative genius and he had an artist's temperament to go along with that. He wanted to see and do great things, but he was not a good businessman - by his own admission. He bankrupted his first company and was never really financially sound.

But heck, don't take my word for it: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/13/b...isionary-who-was-crazy-like-a-mouse.html?_r=0


Walt and his brother Roy were the perfect team........Walt was the visionary and Roy was the money guy. Walt more then once admitted that with out Roy, he would never had been able to do what he did!

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Then you aren't familiar with Walt as a businessman.

The man was a creative genius and he had an artist's temperament to go along with that. He wanted to see and do great things, but he was not a good businessman - by his own admission. He bankrupted his first company and was never really financially sound.

But heck, don't take my word for it: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/13/b...isionary-who-was-crazy-like-a-mouse.html?_r=0

Well I guess we all better go and let Steve Jobs know he was a bad businessman since he had his fair share of failures.
 
And the money grab with the inane cc guarantee for all restaurants.

The CC hold isn't a money grab, if is was there wouldn't be a 24 hour window for cancellations without penalty. It was put in place to slow down the double booking of restaurants by adding a hurdle that has a monetary penalty. Don't no show or cancel in the amount of time and you are not out a cent.

When guests attempt to use the system in a way Disney doesn't want you to Disney has to implement mitigation controls. The CC hold was one of them, nothing more.
 
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