AP sales…

[TeamRiley]

I don't think they need to cater to locals any more. They should get rid of any local benefits, then let prices stabilize, and perhaps not go up as much. With so much demand, there is no reason to cater to locals except for political gains.

 

[IceSkatingPrincess]

I wouldn't be upset with a pass that only was valid during onsite stays. We have sorcerer APs right now (and intend to keep renewing), but we only stay onsite anyway, so that would totally work for us. I know for a lot of folks though, it would be very disappointing. Either way, I think it will be quite a while before we see APs come back on sale, and I think when they do they will see a significant price hike (along with increased restrictions).

 

[TraderStitch]

I wouldn't be upset with a pass that only was valid during onsite stays. We have sorcerer APs right now (and intend to keep renewing), but we only stay onsite anyway, so that would totally work for us. I know for a lot of folks though, it would be very disappointing. Either way, I think it will be quite a while before we see APs come back on sale, and I think when they do they will see a significant price hike (along with increased restrictions).

Hopefully this is something they are working on. Could care less about going to the parks outside of when I'm not staying there onsite. If they sold a pass for DVC owners at $500 to cover whenever you are there (up to 12 days a year), w/ holiday black outs (July 4, Thanksgiving and Christmas) ... I'd be completely down for that.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

I honestly think what we will see is multi day passes only with special discounts and deals along the way when they are needed.

While I love my AP and would hate to lose it, if they offered a 20% discount for DVC owners in place of Sorcerer Pass I could work with that.

Give FL residents are larger discount or make it seasonal in nature.

I do not see Disney just relying on multi-day tickets. Nor do I see them doing DVC or on-site only gate entry deals as a main source of bulk gate entry. They have already sold DVC timeshares and they are already in contracts with 15 other on-site hotels. They still cannot fill the parks with solely resort guests. APs work for them. But they did a hard cap on the number distributed. So new sales are not going to happen until they replenish the inventory. That is what is working for them to get their desirable mix.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

Hopefully this is something they are working on. Could care less about going to the parks outside of when I'm not staying there onsite. If they sold a pass for DVC owners at $500 to cover whenever you are there (up to 12 days a year), w/ holiday black outs (July 4, Thanksgiving and Christmas) ... I'd be completely down for that.

You just described three major holidays when families with kids go when they are out of school. You can't put blackouts on an already heavy restriction like staying on-property IMO. I also don't think you can cap a number of days, though you could certainly sell varying levels of it based on number of days.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

I don't think they need to cater to locals any more. They should get rid of any local benefits, then let prices stabilize, and perhaps not go up as much. With so much demand, there is no reason to cater to locals except for political gains.

They do not cater to locals. If there is a requirement to offset social density impacts and social interruptions from their land use planning permit approvals such a requirement would not be catering to locals or for political gain. It would be mitigating environmental impacts of their own land use development.

 

[Sandisw]

You just described three major holidays when families with kids go when they are out of school. You can't put blackouts on an already heavy restriction like staying on-property IMO. I also don't think you can cap a number of days, though you could certainly sell varying levels of it based on number of days.

They couldn’t call it an AP because people have a notion of what they are but could sell, as you say a yearly pass that has X days.

For example, a 30 day pass good for one year. I would even still pay the same thing I pay for a Sorcerer Pass for that!

 

[TraderStitch]

You just described three major holidays when families with kids go when they are out of school. You can't put blackouts on an already heavy restriction like staying on-property IMO. I also don't think you can cap a number of days, though you could certainly sell varying levels of it based on number of days.

Something is better than nothing. Doesn't need to called an AP, besides just because specific holidays are blacked out doesn't mean you couldn't go on the days around it.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

They couldn’t call it an AP because people have a notion of what they are but could sell, as you say a yearly pass that has X days.

For example, a 30 day pass good for one year. I would even still pay the same thing I pay for a Sorcerer Pass for that!

We discussed this in my thread about this very thing a few months ago. But we're back to that points v. days thing I brought up a few posts back. 30 sounds fine to you. I suspect your points hold some bounds that keep you, for all practical purposes; under 30 days per year. But what about the family that has enough points to go 40 days per year? Drawing the line with staying on property should be constraint enough. That ties a lot of money up in the stay. It needs to be essentially an incredi-theft pass tied stringently to on-site stays. In my opinion.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

They couldn’t call it an AP because people have a notion of what they are but could sell, as you say a yearly pass that has X days.

For example, a 30 day pass good for one year. I would even still pay the same thing I pay for a Sorcerer Pass for that!

Would you pay $2,550 for that? That is only $85 per day and holidays that are now $224 per day ticketed -park hopper are not blocked out. So about 50% to 65% discount? I am just talking compare how often you go use the parks as your personal playground and how much discount off regular park hopper prices. You said 20% but see, that is not enough to get to the pricing you really want to use.

There needs to be a significantly higher number of days to get to the break even point comparing to one day park hoppers. Do not just compare to 5 to 10 day multi tickets because those are already bulk ticket discounts. If you want to talk discounts, do it from standard park hoppers.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

Something is better than nothing. Doesn't need to called an AP, besides just because specific holidays are blacked out doesn't mean you couldn't go on the days around it.

The hard blackouts are generally more than a few days. Look at Disneyland where they block the whole summer or all of the Christmas/New Year’s holiday. Does the fact that I buy an AP make me not want to have occasional holidays celebrated at the park.? No. It means right now I buy tickets for those blocked dates. The price of the AP is not necessarily my whole gate admissions budget. For some it is perhaps.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

We discussed this in my thread about this very thing a few months ago. But we're back to that points v. days thing I brought up a few posts back. 30 sounds fine to you. I suspect your points hold some bounds that keep you, for all practical purposes; under 30 days per year. But what about the family that has enough points to go 40 days per year? Drawing the line with staying on property should be constraint enough. That ties a lot of money up in the stay. It needs to be essentially an incredi-theft pass tied stringently to on-site stays. In my opinion.

Incredi-theft! Brilliant! Very funny! Prizes to Wilson Flyer.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

Even if every DVC room was occupied, every Disney resort room and the 15 good neighbor hotels, it does not bring them to their current attendance capacity. They do also need off-site guests and regular annual passes.

 

[jo-jo]

They do not cater to locals. If there is a requirement to offset social density impacts and social interruptions from their land use planning permit approvals such a requirement would not be catering to locals or for political gain. It would be mitigating environmental impacts of their own land use development.

I'm not sure if I understand what you are saying. But if its locals get a discount due to traffic and issues like that, why do people that live hours away still get that discount?

Even if every DVC room was occupied, every Disney resort room and the 15 good neighbor hotels, it does not bring them to their current attendance capacity. They do also need off-site guests and regular annual passes.

I was just wondering that . I have no idea at all if you did DVC, resort rooms, etc by 3 what that number would be.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

Even if every DVC room was occupied, every Disney resort room and the 15 good neighbor hotels, it does not bring them to their current attendance capacity. They do also need off-site guests and regular annual passes.

My proposal was always only a remedy by design to be exclusive to on-site guest stays. That doesn't preclude nor deny making other offerings available.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

Even if every DVC room was occupied, every Disney resort room and the 15 good neighbor hotels, it does not bring them to their current attendance capacity. They do also need off-site guests and regular annual passes.

You may want to take a look at that thread if you haven't already, though I suspect you have. I'll get the link for you if you need it. It brought up some interesting discussions.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

You may want to take a look at that thread if you haven't already, though I suspect you have. I'll get the link for you if you need it. It brought up some interesting discussions.

Thank you. I will look for it.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

Jo-jo,
Last I read was about 39,000 rooms for Disney. I did look at the other hotels but it is difficult to get accurate room info and who knows how many guests are Disney guests.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

Here ya go. I Actually thought you had posted in that thread but maybe not.

https://www.disboards.com/threads/resort-only-major-gates-ap-would-you-buy.3872932/

 

[BillPA]

Disney on site hotels have 23,052 rooms
DVC on site has 4,985
This does not count Swan and Dolphin

https://www.couponingtodisney.com/how-many-resort-rooms-are-at-disney-world/