AP sales…

[Ms Bibbidi]

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[Ms Bibbidi]

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[john7994]

Well, I can see I have some reading to do to wrap my head around understanding dynamic daily pricing. I thought I understood on and off season, but dynamic daily? Wow. Genie+ reservations on "day of"? Could be you uncovered something, John. Annual discount sales could be the antithesis of that. Did you mean more by "raised the flag"? It is a whole new administration.

Taking the long view though, life does have a way of smoothing things out in the long run.

Raise the flag in terms of the detrimental economics of the APs on a dynamic pricing model. Its not uber/lyft dynamic pricing (yet). Its almost like DVC in that I bought in to the program which keeps my "cost" per night stable (based on points) and serves to somewhat insulate me from surges up of rack rate room pricing which also can have variability.

And to your other comments, I think the AP is on review for a variety of complimentary factors as you note with Genie+ line skipping economics (look for a price hike for sure).

 

[Sandisw]

Please do not shoot me down for this one people. It's an observation and a question that's all. It's not meant to stir up blue card vs white card arguments...

Does anyone remember back in September last year when they introduced the Sorcerers's pass how white card members were posting that they had been able to buy it? Did this partly cause the upsurge in pass sales? And, perhaps more importantly, will these passes be eligible for renewal?

I don’t think that was a big upsurge but I would be surprised to see them renewed as now the system flags you and the new Digital card with the ND is pretty obvious. IMO More so than colors.

 

[john7994]

Actually the more I think on it, if I am purely looking at the daily revenue contribution per guest (as also guided by the park reservation system in taking up a spot at the park for that day), the impact of AP holders could be pretty steep in the bottom line to the expected return of shifting to dynamic pricing - especially for more popular dates (I think this is key).

In saying this, there are many cohorts of AP holders from local to out of state to actual park attendance days per year. Only Disney knows the percent mix, but if I start to play with some extremes:

- An AP holder ($1,300 unlimited) that attends 20+ park days, and likely not to book Genie+ (and Park Hopper Included!) is effectively representing a $65 (or lower) revenue contribution on a per guest / day for just their "Ticket".
- This is opposed to non-AP -$64 (with the cheapest 10 day, multi-day discount and Park Hopper applied) - this is the lowest possible cost option and gets steeper based on more popular dates / less days of ticket - best case example for Disney.
- Start tweaking the cohorts, factoring the lower level AP types, more daily attendance and the differences only steepen outside of Disney's favor - as it would for more popular times of the year (except for the blackout specific dates - but seasonality still applies)
- And, this is before Genie+ purchases, food, beverage, merch, and lodging options - all of which can vary

 

[RoseGold]

Well, I can see I have some reading to do to wrap my head around understanding dynamic daily pricing. I thought I understood on and off season, but dynamic daily? Wow.

This isn't that complicated of a concept. It just means tickets (and maybe G+) will be priced like airline tickets, so changing all the time.

It's easy to see that APs don't fit well into that model, especially if they have to hold space for AP holders, like the lawsuit claimed.

There are a lot of middle ground solutions I would be happy with, like an on-site only AP. Or a heavily blacked out AP, like the Pirate or Pixie.

 

[Disney mac]

Well, I can see I have some reading to do to wrap my head around understanding dynamic daily pricing. I thought I understood on and off season, but dynamic daily? Wow. Genie+ reservations on "day of"? Could be you uncovered something, John. Annual discount sales could be the antithesis of that. Did you mean more by "raised the flag"? It is a whole new administration.

Taking the long view though, life does have a way of smoothing things out in the long run.

This guys seems to love everything I hate. Dynamic pricing is where I draw the line. I stopped flying, going to baseball games, etc.
charge me a price and let me decide if I’m going to pay it.
Genie+ and all is stands for is what will end so much of any perceived “magic”.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

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[Ms Bibbidi]

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[Ms Bibbidi]

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[BillPA]

I would love to see the A-E tickets come back. Now you pay about $125 a day to get on at best 5-6 rides. so $20-$25 for a 3 minute ride.

 

[SleeplessInTO]

Anecdotally, I have seen in the Canadian Disney groups that some have bought the UK 14-day passes. No proof of UK residency required. I've never tried this myself but it seems if you can buy it, its yours. There's no check at the gate / Guest Services the way there was for the Canadian discounted tickets.

 

[cheryl.UK]

Well there are plenty Americans living over here in the UK who do buy 14 day passes. My guess is that as long as they are sent to a UK address then our US cousins may well get away with this one. Years ago I bought a 'Fun in the Sun' 28 day pass which was only meant for a few mainland European countries. I had it mailed to a friend in France who just mailed it over to me.

 

[Royal Consort]

Anecdotally, I have seen in the Canadian Disney groups that some have bought the UK 14-day passes. No proof of UK residency required. I've never tried this myself but it seems if you can buy it, its yours. There's no check at the gate / Guest Services the way there was for the Canadian discounted tickets.

I'm Australian and I've been buying the UK tickets for over 6 years. They will not sell them to guests in the US though due to legal arrangements. Used the 14 day ticket last month during our stay

 

[Mexacajun]

Well there are plenty Americans living over here in the UK who do buy 14 day passes. My guess is that as long as they are sent to a UK address then our US cousins may well get away with this one. Years ago I bought a 'Fun in the Sun' 28 day pass which was only meant for a few mainland European countries. I had it mailed to a friend in France who just mailed it over to me.

How many days do you to use the 14 days in?

 

[Madame]

How many days do you to use the 14 days in?

18 I believe.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

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[Mexacajun]

Eighteen. Link. https://www.disneyholidays.co.uk/walt-disney-world/tickets/
They are also selling the 10/25/22 to 12/31/22 for 499£.

I wouldn't do it though. It would be just my luck to do something like this and then be kicked out of Disney parks forever on a behavior violation.

Wait, so all I have to do is either know someone in the UK that can buy it for me or buy it while I am in the UK on business travel and I can get these tickets?

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

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[Mexacajun]

Don't ask me! I just saw the ad on the internet. Anyway, I personally would not do it.

I didn’t say I would do it, I asked what is possible.