Any Unschoolers here who ditched that method?

[princessmom29]

My thoughts, exactly.

I, admittedly, know next to nothing about the Tebows. In fact, I didn't even know Tim was homeschooled until yesterday when it was mentioned in this tread. So I certainly can't comment on what has been said about his parents up thread, but I will say that it appears their religious beliefs didn't hinder their ability to homeschool a child who became a highly successful adult.

Did she teach him to play football???

 

[Coconut36]

The very weird off topic stuff aside...

If he isn't successful, then who is?

Full ride to UF and subsequent NFL career....

What that says--is that people either like homeschooling or they don't and regardless of how many graduate just fine and go on to live a productive life, it won't change those who just are so hell bent on restricting the rights of others.

George Washington doesn't count because that was too long ago...

Tim Tebow doesn't count because folks have personal issues with umm...well...

Who counts?

When is one "successful" at being homeschooled?

Full ride to Harvard? They become an astronaut? They cure Breast Cancer?

He's a football player not an academic. If you read about him you will note he was a football star and thus attracted the eye of colleges..I see nothing referencing his great academics in regards to his scholarships/college prospects. If you have it I would love to see that he was given scholarships based on academics not on sports but anything I have read points completely to it being football related..that does not speak to a wonderful education or speak to home schooling creating an educated successful person as his success is a sport not anything related to his academics.

Plenty of sports "stars" go to college/obtain scholarships with less than stellar academics because of their skill in their sport. I don't see how Tim Tebow is any different as his scholarship is athletic not academic.

As one of the most highly recruited quarterback prospects in the nation, Tebow received an athletic scholarship to attend the University of Florida in Gainesville, Florida, where he played for coach Urban Meyer's Florida Gators football team from 2006 to 2009.

I don't care about his family and their religious beliefs..that is neither here nor there and doesn't play into his success as a football player or his scholarship.

I do find it troublesome though that he used as an example of home schooling success based on getting a scholarship for football (or being famous for playing football) as that has zero to do with his home schooling or how successful it was or wasn't.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

What does his football talent have to do with how well he was homeschooled??? For the record, I don't have a probelm withhomeschooling at all, just with the Tebows using Tim's usuccess as a platfrom for thier own special brand of misinformation.

Well, he got into college and graduated. He is successful, end of story.

I'm not even touching the other topic. It is another irrelevant opinion on his actual education that allowed him to be accepted into a competitive university.

 

[horseshowmom]

Re: the Tebow's - if women die because of momma Tebow's advice - which was spread out to the world during the superbowl - yes I have a problem that. You should too.

Getting off my soapbox. I don't care if he was homeschooled or not - and with their missionary lifestyle, I'm not surprised that he was. But they are not a family to hold up as an example of virtue or success. Their PSA's could hurt women.

That is all.

Hmmm, I would have to disagree with your stance, however I would never take it upon myself to refer to those whom you would support as being complete idiots. Just because I don't agree with you, and I don't, doesn't give me license to become insulting or combative.

What does his football talent have to do with how well he was homeschooled??? For the record, I don't have a probelm withhomeschooling at all, just with the Tebows using Tim's usuccess as a platfrom for thier own special brand of misinformation.

I see no reason why he should be prohibited from having his own opinion on things. I don't know of anything that requires a loss of free speech when playing football.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

He's a football player not an academic. If you read about him you will note he was a football star and thus attracted the eye of colleges..I see nothing referencing his great academics in regards to his scholarships/college prospects. If you have it I would love to see that he was given scholarships based on academics not on sports but anything I have read points completely to it being football related.

That makes it somewhat irrelevant he was home schooled.. plenty of sports stars have college educations/degrees simply because of their skill in their sport not because they are intelligent or were well educated. I don't see how Tim Tebow is a shining example of home schooling based on him getting a scholarship as it was an athletic one not an academic one

Whatever floats your boat.

Clearly until someone cures cancer--nothing counts. Once again showing the bar is higher for homeschoolers.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Did she teach him to play football???

No--but he wasn't a dummy at UF and would not have been able to play football if he could not make adequate grades. His GPA was higher than mine and I graduated public school. (And I had an academic scholarship, from the state...but still based on academics with a minimum GPA requirement.)

So what makes *me* successful and not him. Just because I got a piece of paper from a public high school? We both got a bachelor's from UF.

ETA: Education mentioned only because we are considering a college educated homeschooler as not an example of a homeschool success even though his college GPA was much higher than mine even though I had an academic scholarship and graduated public high school.

 

[princessmom29]

Well, he got into college and graduated. He is successful, end of story.

I'm not even touching the other topic. It is another irrelevant opinion on his actual education that allowed him to be accepted into a competitive university.

I worked for the atheletic department of a major university. They paid me good money to tutor the football team. All of them got into and graduated from a major accredited university. The standards to get an athlete into school are beyond pitiful, and once they get there people like me are paid good money to teach them how to write a paragraph or add negative numbers so they can get out with thier business or general studies degrees. The fact that he got into and graduated from Florida via the football program DOES NOT mean his educational program was any kind of success.

 

[Coconut36]

Whatever floats your boat.

Clearly until someone cures cancer--nothing counts. Once again showing the bar is higher for homeschoolers.

Not sure what is funny about it. I didn't claim he was a home schooling success based on the fact that he plays football and got an athletic scholarship.

I am not saying anyone has to cure cancer but if you are going to point to a public figure and claim them to be an example of "success" in regards to home schooling it would be relevant if the person's success and college education/graduation was not related entirely to their ability to play a sport with no connection to their education.

Someone with some actual academic success/scholarships/achievements would be a useful and relevant example.

 

[princessmom29]

No--but he wasn't a dummy at UF and would not have been able to play football if he could not make adequate grades. His GPA was higher than mine and I graduated public school. (And I had an academic scholarship, from the state...but still based on academics with a minimum GPA requirement.)

So what makes *me* successful and not him. Just because I got a piece of paper from a public high school? We both got a bachelor's from UF.

see above. He had pretty much endless resources at his fingertips whenever he had trouble with a class. He would have been given all kids of extensions, exemptions and extra time. It is just the way division I ball works.

 

[Coconut36]

I worked for the atheletic department of a major university. They paid me good money to tutor the football team. All of them got into and graduated from a major accredited university. The standards to get an athlete into school are beyond pitiful, and once they get there people like me are paid good money to teach them how to write a paragraph or add negative numbers so they can get out with thier business or general studies degrees. The fact that he got into and graduated from Florida via the football program DOES NOT mean his educational program was any kind of success.

Exactly!

If in reading about him I saw he received a scholarship related to academics I would feel differently..but it's entirely athletics based and that means nothing in regards to the quality of his prior education (or the education he received in college as it is well known that college athletes skate by academically with the most basic of work/knowledge).

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

What does his football talent have to do with how well he was homeschooled??? For the record, I don't have a probelm withhomeschooling at all, just with the Tebows using Tim's usuccess as a platfrom for thier own special brand of misinformation.

Just because you claim you don't have a problem with homeschooling, you still show incredible bias regarding homeschoolers.

All excuses with no merit to discredit a particular individual.

 

[princessmom29]

Hmmm, I would have to disagree with your stance, however I would never take it upon myself to refer to those whom you would support as being complete idiots. Just because I don't agree with you, and I don't, doesn't give me license to become insulting or combative.




I see no reason why he should be prohibited from having his own opinion on things. I don't know of anything that requires a loss of free speech when playing football.

I don't think public figures should use their celebrity to encourage people to take potentially deadly medical risks. I felt the same way when Tom Cruise said that post pardum depression didn't exist and vitamins were the answer.

 

[cornflake]

Seriously, suggesting a football player good enough to make the pros got into and out of a middling uni with a big focus on football is not exactly any endorsement of his education no matter where it were from.

If he'd gotten into Columbia on a football scholarship, that'd mean something, as their football team is minor and perpetually awful, and they thus hold football players to serious academic standards. Being a football player on Columbia's campus means nothing to anyone - they get no ride. Being a football player on the campus of a big football school means you get a ride through a lot.

I mean do you think every basketball player on Kentucky's team is held to the same academic standards as the students in the business school? Basketball pays the bills there.

 

[princessmom29]

Just because you claim you don't have a problem with homeschooling, you still show incredible bias regarding homeschoolers.

All excuses with no merit to discredit a particular individual.

I don't think the fact that I don't care for Tim Tebow becuase he uses his celebrity to promote unsafe medical practices has anything to do with my feeling on homeschool. Some of the brightest, most motiveated kids I know are homeschoolers. My DD's coach homeschools his 7 kids and they are some of the nicest, most well rounded kids you will ever meet. Idon't have a problem with the fact that Tebow was homeschooled, but I don't think the fact that he has had a successful football career is evidence of how well her was hoeschooled. Agian, my only real problem with him is the fact that he and his family are promoting medical practices that will likely get someone killed.

I don't think any of my points are meritless. It is a fact that standards for admission are different for athletes, they have access to resources others don't, and they are treated differently with regards to deadlines. The average student with that same academic qulification as many first stirng football players would fail out in a semester, but the altheletic departments spend a LOT of money to see thatthier players remain elegible. The fact that ANYONE made it through with that help DOESN'T mean they are at all academically qualified.

 

[Coconut36]

Seriously, suggesting a football player good enough to make the pros got into and out of a middling uni with a big focus on football is not exactly any endorsement of his education no matter where it were from.

If he'd gotten into Columbia on a football scholarship, that'd mean something, as their football team is minor and perpetually awful, and they thus hold football players to serious academic standards. Being a football player on Columbia's campus means nothing to anyone - they get no ride. Being a football player on the campus of a big football school means you get a ride through a lot.

I mean do you think every basketball player on Kentucky's team is held to the same academic standards as the students in the business school? Basketball pays the bills there.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Exactly!

If in reading about him I saw he received a scholarship related to academics I would feel differently..but it's entirely athletics based and that means nothing in regards to the quality of his prior education (or the education he received in college as it is well known that college athletes skate by academically with the most basic of work/knowledge).

see above. He had pretty much endless resources at his fingertips whenever he had trouble with a class. He would have been given all kids of extensions, exemptions and extra time. It is just the way division I ball works.

Not sure what is funny about it. I didn't claim he was a home schooling success based on the fact that he plays football and got an athletic scholarship.

I am not saying anyone has to cure cancer but if you are going to point to a public figure and claim them to be an example of "success" in regards to home schooling it would be relevant if the person's success and college education/graduation was not related entirely to their ability to play a sport with no connection to their education.

Someone with some actual academic success/scholarships/achievements would be a useful and relevant example.

Now--without evidence--he was just a dumb jock who got tutored. Okay.

I just mentioned him because I happened to like that he played for both of my alma maters and he was homeschooled. And he is successful regardless of why.

But I see that folks clearly want only examples of where homeschool can be specifically credited with the person's success. And I have nothing for you. Because for every person that would be mentioned (i.e. the list), you would have a reason to discount any of their home education.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I don't think the fact that I don't care for Tim Tebow becuase he uses his celebrity to promote unsafe medical practices has anything to do with my feeling on homeschool. Some of the brightest, most motiveated kids I know are homeschoolers. My DD's coach homeschools his 7 kids and they are some of the nicest, most well rounded kids you will ever meet. Idon't have a problem with the fact that Tebow was homeschooled, but I don't think the fact that he has had a successful football career is evidence of how well her was hoeschooled. Agian, my only real problem with him is the fact that he and his family are promoting medical practices that will likely get someone killed.

I don't think any of my points are meritless. It is a fact that standards for admission are different for athletes, they have access to resources others don't, and they are treated differently with regards to deadlines. The average student with that same academic qulification as many first stirng football players would fail out in a semester, but the altheletic departments spend a LOT of money to see thatthier players remain elegible. The fact that ANYONE made it through with that help DOESN'T mean they are at all academically qualified.

People wanted successful homeschoolers. I was unaware that the only success that counted was pure unadulterated academic success. That is bias.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Seriously, suggesting a football player good enough to make the pros got into and out of a middling uni with a big focus on football is not exactly any endorsement of his education no matter where it were from.

If he'd gotten into Columbia on a football scholarship, that'd mean something, as their football team is minor and perpetually awful, and they thus hold football players to serious academic standards. Being a football player on Columbia's campus means nothing to anyone - they get no ride. Being a football player on the campus of a big football school means you get a ride through a lot.

I mean do you think every basketball player on Kentucky's team is held to the same academic standards as the students in the business school? Basketball pays the bills there.

Actually if you look back, I did not imply that at all...what I said was that he was my favorite and that he was a success.

But I didn't know you guys were looking for the Harvard academic with the perfect SAT score.

I suppose next you'll tell me that someone was taking his tests for him.

Clearly the litmus is higher for homeschoolers and everyone has their excuses why one or the other does not count.

He was famous, he was on the list, and he was my favorite for the aforementioned reasons. Nothing more, nothing less. But y'all were on it like white on rice to make excuses of why his success is without merit: He is a dumb jock and duh, they have it easy in college.

Alrighty then.

 

[Colleen27]

I don't understand though how there could be any organization at all in unschooling. If children are allowed to dictate when and what they learn (or if they learn at all), how can there by any structure or organization?

There's a lot of room for interpretation as far as what constitutes unschooling. The friend I mentioned upthread who has two college students who were unschooled all the way through does impose some structure - the children lead the way as far as what subject material is covered but they are expected to learn about the subjects they choose, they aren't allowed to quit classes/activities/sports/lessons mid-stream, and there is structure to their life even though there isn't any curriculum-imposed structure to their education.

The reality is that the labels aren't very clear cut at all. My friend has found herself unwelcome in some more structured homeschooling circles because she is an unschooler, but she's also left more radical-leaning unschooling groups because they didn't consider her methods to really be unschooling.

 

[DawnM]

Wow. I guess I missed this thread.

I would certainly NOT be in favor of your friend's unschooling methods.

We homeschool. We use a curriculum. We have a somewhat loose schedule, but we do have a schedule. My oldest is behind grade level, but he has some LDs that would most likely require him to be pulled out for resource anyway.

My younger two are at or above grade level.

I have nothing against public or private education and do not believe that everyone should homeschool by any means. However, I do expect the same respect for our choice to homeschool.

Dawn