Any security changes at WDW?

[AmyB2006]

There are quite a few downsides to metal detectors that make them impractical for use at the WDW parks, but it isn't true that they do not increase security.

You are misreading. I didn't say they don't increase security. I said they won't make you safe. Safety is a game of illusion. Nothing Disney can and will do will make us 100% safe. IMO any safer. People like this, will find a way around. They can put metal detectors in place, search bags, run scopes over our clothing... All an illusion. All makes people feel warm and fuzzy and safe, but the bottom line is that if someone wants to get a bomb or something like this to take out a bunch of people, they will find a way. And the biggest thing they have on their side, is complacency. Give it a year, or 5. People will "forget" all about this event, just like 9/11 and will get complacent. Makes it much easier for criminals.

I think people react in situations like this and want a big show of "security" because it makes them feel safer. Truth is, nothing will ever protect you and make you safe from things like this happening. That's why I say it's an illusion.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

For those who like to think security is all *theater or just a illusion*, here is a incident where is does show a little of the workings behind the scenes:


Suspicious package delays cruise ship at Florida port
Reuters – 15 hrs agoEmail0Share0Share0Print(Reuters) - A suspicious package found at the Port of Tampa, Florida on Thursday on a pallet that was to be loaded onto a cruise ship operated by Royal Caribbean Cruises, was not a bomb, the sheriff's office said.

Two bomb-sniffing dogs found the parcel during a routine security check, said a spokeswoman for the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office. Explosives experts investigated the package before saying it was harmless.

As a precaution, the sheriff's office evacuated the terminal building being used by Royal Caribbean to check in passengers sailing on its Jewel of the Seas.

(Reporting by Martinne Geller in New York; and David Adams in Miami. Editing by Maureen Bavdek, Kenneth Barry and Leslie Gevirtz)


Yes this incident is involving a cruise ship and it could be any cruise line, or it could be a theme park or sports event, and nothing is 100%, but it shows security measures in place and working!

It could just as easily been a real bomb!


AKK

 

[NYDisneyKid]

Im waiting for security checkpoints to enter DTD. For now though I bet anyone walking with a backpack will be profiled and checked

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Im waiting for security checkpoints to enter DTD. For now though I bet anyone walking with a backpack will be profiled and checked

I have wondered about DTD as well.........but again, a lot goes on behind the scenes and undercover!

AKK

 

[NYDisneyKid]

I have wondered about DTD as well.........but again, a lot goes on behind the scenes and undercover!

AKK

Also wondered about the resorts. They dont check cars entering for potential explosives or weapons. Just need to show an ID (which could be fake) or room key.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Also wondered about the resorts. They dont check cars entering for potential explosives or weapons. Just need to show an ID (which could be fake) or room key.

IAs I have said before....I don't have any direct knowledge of Disney protocols,

However I am sure their are camera's and I know there are such things as mechanical sniffers etc.

Nothing would be 100%. No place can be 100% safe!

AKK

 

[tjmj9801]

Also wondered about the resorts. They dont check cars entering for potential explosives or weapons. Just need to show an ID (which could be fake) or room key.

If you're going to that extent to worry, you should be concerned about going anywhere, right? Will you question the security at the mall, the grocery store, your work? I can't live that way. I don't think it's healthy. There are bad people everywhere. If I'm in the wrong place at the wrong time, then it was my time to go. No regrets.

 

[Luv2CtheMouse]

For those who like to think security is all *theater or just a illusion*, here is a incident where is does show a little of the workings behind the scenes:


AKK

I don't really see anybody saying that. What I read is people saying that much of what happens at the front gate is a façade or front, but what happens with real and true security is on the inside. What happens at bag check is not real security, it is to give the mindset that they do have security at WDW. My dad has walked in with a large pocket knife he forgot about and I have seen people pull liquor out of the bags to drink with their coke in the parks. Security didn't see it. Why? because it is not a thorough check. Any why is there not any in DTD?

 

[NYDisneyKid]

If you're going to that extent to worry, you should be concerned about going anywhere, right? Will you question the security at the mall, the grocery store, your work? I can't live that way. I don't think it's healthy. There are bad people everywhere. If I'm in the wrong place at the wrong time, then it was my time to go. No regrets.

was just stating my opinion (which as a citizen of this country I thought I was entitled too)

 

[TDC Nala]

Also wondered about the resorts. They dont check cars entering for potential explosives or weapons. Just need to show an ID (which could be fake) or room key.

I'm trying to picture them having to run a sniffer dog over every single vehicle entering a resort. That's not going to happen. I'm in DC. There are places here where they do that for EVERY entering vehicle. It takes time to do. At a hotel where there hasn't been a credible existing specific threat, why would they need to have a thorough check of every entering vehicle?

In order to reach the level of security that apparently would satisfy some here, they'd have to do that, then frisk everyone who enters a park but not where the bag check lines are now - as soon as they get out of whatever transportation they took to the parks. If you came in a car, presumably you would have waited for another sniffer dog check to get into the parking lot as well.

On the Metro here they sometimes do random security checks, like they did all the time at airports after 9/11. They pull random people aside and search their belongings. They use this technique because searching everyone would be unworkable. the Disney parks actually have it pretty well coordinated so that they can look inside every bag that is brought inside a park. Yes, I know it seems like some of the guards don't even look. But they don't check the persons themselves although people have been asked at times to show something they had in a pocket. (how would they do that? Metal detectors? Ask everyone to turn out their pockets? Do the parks, or DTD, or the resorts, need airport-type security?)

 

[tjmj9801]

was just stating my opinion (which as a citizen of this country I thought I was entitled too)

As was I.

 

[NYDisneyKid]

I'm trying to picture them having to run a sniffer dog over every single vehicle entering a resort. That's not going to happen. I'm in DC. There are places here where they do that for EVERY entering vehicle. It takes time to do. At a hotel where there hasn't been a credible existing specific threat, why would they need to have a thorough check of every entering vehicle?

In order to reach the level of security that apparently would satisfy some here, they'd have to do that, then frisk everyone who enters a park but not where the bag check lines are now - as soon as they get out of whatever transportation they took to the parks. If you came in a car, presumably you would have waited for another sniffer dog check to get into the parking lot as well.

On the Metro here they sometimes do random security checks, like they did all the time at airports after 9/11. They pull random people aside and search their belongings. They use this technique because searching everyone would be unworkable. the Disney parks actually have it pretty well coordinated so that they can look inside every bag that is brought inside a park. Yes, I know it seems like some of the guards don't even look. But they don't check the persons themselves although people have been asked at times to show something they had in a pocket. (how would they do that? Metal detectors? Ask everyone to turn out their pockets? Do the parks, or DTD, or the resorts, need airport-type security?)

They may pull random people to search but then again they could be pulling the "wrong" random person there-by letting the real threat pass on through.

 

[married2mm]

*No bashing just saying....

I live in Boston. The coverage has been 24/7 and it's the most horrific thing most any of us have ever witnessed unless you have been a soldier in active duty. I have friends who were at the finish line who witnessed the most horrendous sights... that isn't hype. With all the coverage most stations had terror experts on and they specifically mentioned major theme parks as being a perfect target. I'm sure Disney is aware of this and even if unnoticed they are at a heightened security. We are leaving for Orlando bright and early tomorrow. Getting through Logan airport will take more time than normal. Boston is such a small city, sadly it seems like everyone knows someone who was affected. We will not allow terror to stop us from living life, but here in Boston there is a great sense of sadness and anger. Needing some Disney magic now more than ever!

Firstly,hugs.

I'm in the UK,and cannot begin to understand how you are feeling whether personally touched by the whole tragedy by or just being caught up in such a horrific occurrence.
My heart goes out to you.

I don't know if you have been able to travel,but hopefully you are on your way to the magic,as you say,needed now more than ever.
My son has said he's scared to travel,hopefully I've reassured him. Told him we will not live in fear.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

I don't really see anybody saying that. What I read is people saying that much of what happens at the front gate is a façade or front, but what happens with real and true security is on the inside. What happens at bag check is not real security, it is to give the mindset that they do have security at WDW. My dad has walked in with a large pocket knife he forgot about and I have seen people pull liquor out of the bags to drink with their coke in the parks. Security didn't see it. Why? because it is not a thorough check. Any why is there not any in DTD?

I have to admit I was referring to more then just this thread, just trying to make a point. I should have been more clear. Some folk throw that word *theater* and illusion* out to imply all security is a waste of time!

However you helped me, I noted and agree the front line stuff is not all that effective, but its more a combination of various skills, technology, disciplines, both in the publics eye and behind the scenes, that make the most effective security.


Nothing is ever 100% perfect!.....


AKK

 

[TDC Nala]

They may pull random people to search but then again they could be pulling the "wrong" random person there-by letting the real threat pass on through.

That's kind of the idea of random. It's supposed to deter attempts because you never know who the random subject will be. But the alternative is to search each and every person entering from multiple areas. Which means they'd have to establish an "entry gate" for DTD and have every entering person come through that gate like they do in the parks. Where would the entrance be? Not everyone could park near it. I can't think of any mall that currently does that. Not even malls in the DC area. and if they did that on the Metro nobody would ever get anywhere. Imagine being told you have to report an hour ahead of time to catch the subway downtown or to eat at a restaurant.

 

[NYDisneyKid]

That's kind of the idea of random. It's supposed to deter attempts because you never know who the random subject will be. But the alternative is to search each and every person entering from multiple areas. Which means they'd have to establish an "entry gate" for DTD and have every entering person come through that gate like they do in the parks. Where would the entrance be? Not everyone could park near it. I can't think of any mall that currently does that. Not even malls in the DC area. and if they did that on the Metro nobody would ever get anywhere. Imagine being told you have to report an hour ahead of time to catch the subway downtown or to eat at a restaurant.

All im saying is that its bound to happen. Maybe not today or tomorrow,or even in my lifetime,,,but never say never.

 

[TDC Nala]

And never say definitely, either. There's no way we can know or pick anyplace that is absolutely destined to be a target.

 

[NYDisneyKid]

And never say definitely, either. There's no way we can know or pick anyplace that is absolutely destined to be a target.

I was talking about security checkpoints (at DTD)

 

[gretchenohar@hotmail]

Disney has plenty of security. Most of it you don't see.

If you've ever had an emergency happen in a park, it's the people that "come out of the woodwork" that are mainly security.

They are there, you just don't notice them.

I can vouch for this. Several years ago we were staying at VWL and heading out to the parks in the morning. I stayed behind to leave little "gifts from Mickey" for the grandchildren to find upon our return. Apparently my 2 yr old granddaughter didn't like being carried out to the main lodge by her grandfather and started crying - louder & louder. I couldn't have been more than 2 or 3 minutes behind them. But by the time I got to the main lobby there were 4 or more "tourists" surrounding my husband, granddaughter & grandson - with granddaughter now crying at the top of her lungs for "Gigi!". My husband explained what was going on, but they were stuck to him like glue till I arrived on the scene. Then one of the "tourists" said: "Thank God you're here, Gigi!" and they all just disappeared....

Another time I was sitting near the Star Wars Jedi Training stage waiting for the kids to have their turn as Padewans. Someone apparently left a backpack near some tables & chairs nearby. I didn't even notice it until plainsclothes & uniformed officers with dogs surrounded the bag. They seemed to appear spontaneously out of nowhere. The bag ended up being left innocently by someone, but the response by security was "magical" in more ways than one.

 

[reginaastralis]

Another time I was sitting near the Star Wars Jedi Training stage waiting for the kids to have their turn as Padewans. Someone apparently left a backpack near some tables & chairs nearby. I didn't even notice it until plainsclothes & uniformed officers with dogs surrounded the bag. They seemed to appear spontaneously out of nowhere. The bag ended up being left innocently by someone, but the response by security was "magical" in more ways than one.

This. Within the last couple of months (we make a lot of day trips, so I'm not really sure when) we were at the back of Cosmic Ray's on the side closest to where Merida meets. We were waiting for some of our party to come out of the restroom, and I looked to my mom and said "There's an unattended bag over there." Practically before I could even get the words out of my mouth, it was surrounded by security guards, two plainsclothed and one in uniform and a dog. Another person in "tourist" type clothing was standing right behind me, and said "Don't worry, we'd been watching it for a few minutes."

I've also witnessed a few parents go missing, and the amount of security not in uniform who come out of the woodwork is pretty impressive.

http://now.msn.com/boston-marathon-...conic-photo-helped-identify-attackers#scptmfs - I'm hoping the news journalism is actually right on this because it kinda confirms my beliefs. You have to notice things.