Another saving for college question!

I'm probably in the minority here but I'm not saving any money for my kids college. By the time they are ready for college they are adults and it's their responsibility. The thought of asking my parents to pay for my college never even crossed my mind. I thought of myself as an adult at 18 and worked and paid my own way. My husband did the same. There are schools out there that focus attention on the students working their way through. They charge no tuition but the students must all work on campus. I'll also encourage my DS to join the military, perhaps the air force and get his training there. I think paying for things for your adult children sets them up for failure and an attitude of entitlement. If you want it you work for or you don't get it, no one pays your way through life.

I disagree. So many kids are graduating from college with loans the size of a mortgage payment, and the jobs aren't there to allow them to pay them off. College costs have increased MUCH more that the COL, and I think not helping them with the costs is setting them up for failure.

We don't have enough to give all 5 a free ride (maybe 1). My kids know they HAVE to get good grades (dd14 will finish freshman year with a 4.4 GPA), we will research scholarships and grants, and 2 years after dd starts, we'll always have 2 - 3 in at the same time, so we'll look very poor on paper (actually, IRL, too).

I understand not contributing if you just can't rub 2 dimes together, or have little saved for retirement, but not because it will make them feel entitled. Today, kids who have to pay 100% themselves really, really struggle. Burdened with a lot of insane debt is not a great way to start out an adult life.
 
Those beginning the college planning process need to remember that EFC is a number that ONLY determines eligibility for federal grants and loans...that's it.

Schools are free to use that EFC in any manner they wish when it comes to awarding institutional aid.

A big mistake many people make is assuming that once they calculate their EFC, that is the ONLY amount they will have to pay, and that if they end up with a 0 EFC they won't need to pay anything. Not true at all.
 
Today, kids who have to pay 100% themselves really, really struggle. Burdened with a lot of insane debt is not a great way to start out an adult life.

I hope that my children will be smart enough at that age not to make a ridiculous decision like attending a school where they will be drowning in debt when then graduate. Like I said I will encourage my son to go the military route and encourage my daughter to look into the work your way through school universities (such as the school of the ozarks that someone already mentioned). I have a brother who made a DUMB decision to go to a really expensive out of state private school for 4 years and walked away with over 100,000 in debt....DUMB! I will hope that my children will be smart about their education but in the end, they will be adults and it will be their choice. I choose to go to a local university and live at home. I did not pay my parents rent, but I paid for all of my own things from car, car insurance, down to toothpaste and shampoo. I worked and had scholarships and grants, and loans. I took my entire first year of college in high school by taking advantage of the advanced classes offered for college credit. My parents did pay the fees for those as I was still under 18 and in high school (they were also MUCH cheaper that regular college classes). In 3 years at the University I racked up about 7,000 of debt. I paid it back month by month in about 8 years. My husband did similarly.
 
It's not something you can be in the minority about - it's not something that you can say is their responsibility, and it's definitely not something that you can make them handle on their own.

The Federal Government - via the FAFSA - bases YOUR child's financial aid on YOUR earnings.

It is selfish for one to think that they shouldn't have to contribute to their child's education when the Federal Government bases a student's financial aid package on their parent's income.

I work for a University as an Admissions Officer, and I see every situation in the book from parents that have saved enough money for their children to go through both their undergraduate and graduate degree - to parents who are totally absent from the child's life - and yet their financial aid package is based on their parent's income.

The FAFSA establishes the Expected Family Contribution - what the FAMILY should be contributing out of their own pockets to assist their student through college.

While there are countless people who have been successful without a college degree, college isn't just about getting a 'good job' and about a 'career'. So much of college is about transforming oneself into a better person, a more responsible citizen, and more importantly more able to contribute to society.

We, as Americans, sit here today as the world passes us by. To think that someone can be successful and have a career that doesn't require them to live paycheck to paycheck - without a college degree or some form of technical training is an absolute absurdity.

Most people that work a minimum wage job quickly fee trapped - they are investing their time in an endeavor that is making someone else wealthy. Even if you DOUBLE the minimum wage that still isn't a LIVEABLE wage.
It isn't the goal of too many of today's young people to live on a modest bare bones income. While there is absolutely nothing wrong with doing that, it's like an example that I always use talking to groups of students who haven't considered college. No one - at the age of 18 - ever planned to be a garbage man, waking up at 2am to go pick up trash off the curb in Zero degree weather. No one planned for that to be their 'career'.

Education provides opportunities, and opportunities provide freedom, and freedom provides happiness.

If McDonald's only had one item on the menu, and you could pull up to the drive through and order a #1 - because it was the only thing on the menu - McDonald's wouldn't be in business very long. People LIKE OPTIONS.

To limit your child's options, without giving a 2nd thought to how your financial situation might impact their options and opportunities 35-50 years from now is selfish.

While I don't think that students should expect their parents to 'pay their bills' I also don't think it's fair for parents to have an 18 and done attitude.

We are talking about the future of our country, not just the future of your child.

America will once again be the greatest country in the world, when Americans want it to be. Until then, countries that value education, job training, and productive contribution to society will continue to pass us by - while we take no responsibility.

I know I am going to get flamed for this post - but I'm tired of paying the bills of other who have no concept of personal responsibility. I go to work every day, pay my bills on time, save money for retirement, save money for a rainy day, and contribute 10% of our family income to our church and to other charities.

If someone neglects to improve themselves they will end up being a tax on society. There are far more hand outs, and hand ups these days.

On the topic of saving college - every dollar helps! Your goal should be to save money for college without fear of tax penalty. That's where a 529 is best. There are good ones, and there are no so good ones. Some states have a guaranteed tuition 529 that will pay the student's tuition at any state college/university once a certain 'pay in' threshold is reached and maintained.

It's a great thing to have a savings account - your child can begin to see how much saving even just $5 dollars a week from an allowance, or saving birthday gifts, christmas gifts, etc etc.

I had a savings account from the time I was in 4th grade. I remember making coin deposits into my savings account at a very young age. I also remember almost being frustrated to tears when I wanted to buy something but all of my money was in the bank. However, that taught me to look, to shop, and to be patient in buying decisions. That made me a budget minded shopper - I still am today. I have saved thousands of dollars over the years by just making budget and shopping decisions that were dollar wise.

Kids have to learn the value of a dollar - and today that isn't much.

Especially when it comes to college, summer is a GREAT time to call the college or university that is closest to you, and explain to the Admissions Office that you would like to bring your young child in to talk about what college is, what it's important, and how one goes about paying for college. Finally - what you want to do, is discuss the actual cost of going to college, so your child has a realistic view of what college costs - so they can take part in the savings process.

There isn't a secret - there isn't a one time fix - it's something that has to happen of many years - an 8 year old has a concept of money, they have a concept of education, and they have a concept of the future. All of those developmental things come together to help a child understand another important thing - goal setting.

One of the biggest contributors to being successful in college is having a goal set. If you can work with your child in setting goals, contributing to the purchase of things they want, and saving money - you will be doing yourself, and your child a huge favor.

College is expensive - and the more you know about different colleges, career options, and the whole process/system - the better you will be able to make decisions.

As an Admissions Officer, it is my goal in the work that I do to provide parents and student with as much information as possible in order for them to make a good decision, that is right for them. If I don't think our program is a good match of the goals that the student brings, I will tell them that we aren't such a great fit, and if I know a school with better options for them - I tell them.

Start learning about colleges now - visit college campuses while you are on vacation. It's very simple, just call the Admissions or Recruitment office (it's different at many schools) and tell them you'd like to make a visit, tell them your child's age, and they can often customize the visit for your family.

The sooner your child realizes that they will need $XX,XXX amount of money to make it through college, to sooner they will realize the value of saving.

Another important factor is this - show your child the classified ads, help wanted ads etc - and have them find that jobs that they would be qualified for with just a high school diploma. Then take the starting wage for one of those jobs and work out a budget. How fast will they realize that $8.00 an hour will not allow you to keep your head above water for long at all.

Anyway - sorry for the rant - but I hope there is some useful information in my rant.
 

I hope that my children will be smart enough at that age not to make a ridiculous decision like attending a school where they will be drowning in debt when then graduate. Like I said I will encourage my son to go the military route and encourage my daughter to look into the work your way through school universities (such as the school of the ozarks that someone already mentioned). I have a brother who made a DUMB decision to go to a really expensive out of state private school for 4 years and walked away with over 100,000 in debt....DUMB! I will hope that my children will be smart about their education but in the end, they will be adults and it will be their choice. I choose to go to a local university and live at home. I did not pay my parents rent, but I paid for all of my own things from car, car insurance, down to toothpaste and shampoo. I worked and had scholarships and grants, and loans. I took my entire first year of college in high school by taking advantage of the advanced classes offered for college credit. My parents did pay the fees for those as I was still under 18 and in high school (they were also MUCH cheaper that regular college classes). In 3 years at the University I racked up about 7,000 of debt. I paid it back month by month in about 8 years. My husband did similarly.

One of our least expensive local public colleges is still over $10,000 a semester for in-state residents, with tuition and fees, and I don't know what if offers in regards to my childrens' interests and/or goals. I'm sure the price will have increased when my children are 18. That's what I paid for my out of state tuition, including room and board, per year. College was much less expensive 20 years ago. It was easier to get scholarships as well.
 
I have a brother who made a DUMB decision to go to a really expensive out of state private school for 4 years and walked away with over 100,000 in debt....DUMB!

No one...not any student...can make this type of dumb decision themselves.

The only way a student can graduate with this kind of debt is with co-signers who were not wise enough to refuse to help a kid into this kind of hole.

We can't expect a kid fresh out of high school to make the smartest money decisions. They aren't experienced enough. Its up to the parents and well-meaning family members to "just say no" to co-signing private student loans just so a kid can go to Big Name U.
 
It's not something you can be in the minority about - it's not something that you can say is their responsibility, and it's definitely not something that you can make them handle on their own.

The Federal Government - via the FAFSA - bases YOUR child's financial aid on YOUR earnings.

It is selfish for one to think that they shouldn't have to contribute to their child's education when the Federal Government bases a student's financial aid package on their parent's income.

I work for a University as an Admissions Officer, and I see every situation in the book from parents that have saved enough money for their children to go through both their undergraduate and graduate degree - to parents who are totally absent from the child's life - and yet their financial aid package is based on their parent's income.

The FAFSA establishes the Expected Family Contribution - what the FAMILY should be contributing out of their own pockets to assist their student through college.

While there are countless people who have been successful without a college degree, college isn't just about getting a 'good job' and about a 'career'. So much of college is about transforming oneself into a better person, a more responsible citizen, and more importantly more able to contribute to society.

We, as Americans, sit here today as the world passes us by. To think that someone can be successful and have a career that doesn't require them to live paycheck to paycheck - without a college degree or some form of technical training is an absolute absurdity.

Most people that work a minimum wage job quickly fee trapped - they are investing their time in an endeavor that is making someone else wealthy. Even if you DOUBLE the minimum wage that still isn't a LIVEABLE wage.
It isn't the goal of too many of today's young people to live on a modest bare bones income. While there is absolutely nothing wrong with doing that, it's like an example that I always use talking to groups of students who haven't considered college. No one - at the age of 18 - ever planned to be a garbage man, waking up at 2am to go pick up trash off the curb in Zero degree weather. No one planned for that to be their 'career'.

Education provides opportunities, and opportunities provide freedom, and freedom provides happiness.

If McDonald's only had one item on the menu, and you could pull up to the drive through and order a #1 - because it was the only thing on the menu - McDonald's wouldn't be in business very long. People LIKE OPTIONS.

To limit your child's options, without giving a 2nd thought to how your financial situation might impact their options and opportunities 35-50 years from now is selfish.

While I don't think that students should expect their parents to 'pay their bills' I also don't think it's fair for parents to have an 18 and done attitude.

We are talking about the future of our country, not just the future of your child.

America will once again be the greatest country in the world, when Americans want it to be. Until then, countries that value education, job training, and productive contribution to society will continue to pass us by - while we take no responsibility.

I know I am going to get flamed for this post - but I'm tired of paying the bills of other who have no concept of personal responsibility. I go to work every day, pay my bills on time, save money for retirement, save money for a rainy day, and contribute 10% of our family income to our church and to other charities.

If someone neglects to improve themselves they will end up being a tax on society. There are far more hand outs, and hand ups these days.

On the topic of saving college - every dollar helps! Your goal should be to save money for college without fear of tax penalty. That's where a 529 is best. There are good ones, and there are no so good ones. Some states have a guaranteed tuition 529 that will pay the student's tuition at any state college/university once a certain 'pay in' threshold is reached and maintained.

It's a great thing to have a savings account - your child can begin to see how much saving even just $5 dollars a week from an allowance, or saving birthday gifts, christmas gifts, etc etc.

I had a savings account from the time I was in 4th grade. I remember making coin deposits into my savings account at a very young age. I also remember almost being frustrated to tears when I wanted to buy something but all of my money was in the bank. However, that taught me to look, to shop, and to be patient in buying decisions. That made me a budget minded shopper - I still am today. I have saved thousands of dollars over the years by just making budget and shopping decisions that were dollar wise.

Kids have to learn the value of a dollar - and today that isn't much.

Especially when it comes to college, summer is a GREAT time to call the college or university that is closest to you, and explain to the Admissions Office that you would like to bring your young child in to talk about what college is, what it's important, and how one goes about paying for college. Finally - what you want to do, is discuss the actual cost of going to college, so your child has a realistic view of what college costs - so they can take part in the savings process.

There isn't a secret - there isn't a one time fix - it's something that has to happen of many years - an 8 year old has a concept of money, they have a concept of education, and they have a concept of the future. All of those developmental things come together to help a child understand another important thing - goal setting.

One of the biggest contributors to being successful in college is having a goal set. If you can work with your child in setting goals, contributing to the purchase of things they want, and saving money - you will be doing yourself, and your child a huge favor.

College is expensive - and the more you know about different colleges, career options, and the whole process/system - the better you will be able to make decisions.

As an Admissions Officer, it is my goal in the work that I do to provide parents and student with as much information as possible in order for them to make a good decision, that is right for them. If I don't think our program is a good match of the goals that the student brings, I will tell them that we aren't such a great fit, and if I know a school with better options for them - I tell them.

Start learning about colleges now - visit college campuses while you are on vacation. It's very simple, just call the Admissions or Recruitment office (it's different at many schools) and tell them you'd like to make a visit, tell them your child's age, and they can often customize the visit for your family.

The sooner your child realizes that they will need $XX,XXX amount of money to make it through college, to sooner they will realize the value of saving.

Another important factor is this - show your child the classified ads, help wanted ads etc - and have them find that jobs that they would be qualified for with just a high school diploma. Then take the starting wage for one of those jobs and work out a budget. How fast will they realize that $8.00 an hour will not allow you to keep your head above water for long at all.

Anyway - sorry for the rant - but I hope there is some useful information in my rant.

LOVE LOVE LOVE it! Very true!! What a lot of parents also don't realize is students cannot get loans (private-anything beyond the measly Stafford/Perkins) without their (the parents') co-signatures. They (the students) simply don't have the credit history yet to do so. So when parents say 'my child can get the loans him/herself', it makes me crazy. At the very least, parents need to co-sign for x number of years until they can fall off as a co-signer (and only after x amount of years of on time payments). Years ago, there were many employers who paid a decent % of college costs for their employees (this is how I finished on the 12 year plan!)..but with this economy, the companies just aren't as generous. As parents, we're the best support for our children's education and future. Aside from the military, gone are the days of young people really getting free or reduced college tuition/expenses paid by means other than parents savings or loans.
 
LOVE LOVE LOVE it! Very true!! What a lot of parents also don't realize is students cannot get loans (private-anything beyond the measly Stafford/Perkins) without their (the parents') co-signatures.

Also if the child should default any time on that loan and you are still a co signer it will go against your credit as well. most federal Stafford loans are NOT bankruptable, they will follow you forever....

I suggest as others said do some savings now, make it a priority, find other items in the budget to cut…
 
What I did for my first child going off to college (who likes her parties)....after she exhausted all the Stafford and Perkins loans (which she will keep), I took out a private loan as a co-signer. The deal was if she screwed up in that first year, she was done, I would pay the loan for the first 2 years, then I would drop off and dump it on her. Since she proved herself, I now do the Parents Plus (which is mine, mine, all mine) for the lower interest rate. She still will have responsibility for the Stafford and Perkins loans, making the financial responsibility 1/4 her, 3/4 me and my husband. The same deal will be for our younger daughter. They both, also, are expected to be employed (after the first year) somewhat, for their spending $.
 
The Federal Government - via the FAFSA - bases YOUR child's financial aid on YOUR earnings.

It is selfish for one to think that they shouldn't have to contribute to their child's education when the Federal Government bases a student's financial aid package on their parent's income.

I work for a University as an Admissions Officer, and I see every situation in the book from parents that have saved enough money for their children to go through both their undergraduate and graduate degree - to parents who are totally absent from the child's life - and yet their financial aid package is based on their parent's income.

The FAFSA establishes the Expected Family Contribution - what the FAMILY should be contributing out of their own pockets to assist their student through college.

This is what we believed. We saved enough, between us and dd, to cover the EFC plus a bit for increases/incidentals. Our EFC we projected to be $6k. It ended up being $5k (just a little over). The school just came back with not a single merit grant, not even the one dd qualified for. Just a COA of $26,000 and the news that we can get sub & unsub stafford loans ($5500). That means instead of the $6k we'd expected to pay, we're trying to magically find $21,000/year in the budget. That's DOUBLE our annual house payments. That's nearly half of our take-home pay. And there are 6 of us.

DH found out at work today that this particular state university has been giving hardly anything to anyone he talked to (bunch of coworkers' kids in the past year or 2). My brother went there, graduated 5 yrs ago. He encouraged dd to go there, as they kept piling on merit grants. I guess it has changed A LOT in the past 5 years. Now we have no idea what to do. Another year of community college, then apply to many universities in the fall, I guess. I can't believe it took till JUNE for our state u. to let us know about her "financial aid package."
 
I'm probably in the minority here but I'm not saving any money for my kids college. By the time they are ready for college they are adults and it's their responsibility. The thought of asking my parents to pay for my college never even crossed my mind. I thought of myself as an adult at 18 and worked and paid my own way. My husband did the same. There are schools out there that focus attention on the students working their way through. They charge no tuition but the students must all work on campus. I'll also encourage my DS to join the military, perhaps the air force and get his training there. I think paying for things for your adult children sets them up for failure and an attitude of entitlement. If you want it you work for or you don't get it, no one pays your way through life.
Curious as to how old you are and where you live?

It used to be that a high-school educated person could lead a decent middle-class life because there was a factory/mill or something nearby that could employ you over the time span of a career.

Now, those jobs are going to similarly unskilled people in developing nations. So by not going to college, your competing with people in the third world for unskilled labor.

The world has changed from the one where you were raised. Fewer and fewer people can make a living with their hands. They have to make that living with their minds, so college is not the 'luxury' it used to be. And '18' is not the '18' it used to be
 
I'm probably in the minority here but I'm not saving any money for my kids college. By the time they are ready for college they are adults and it's their responsibility. The thought of asking my parents to pay for my college never even crossed my mind. I thought of myself as an adult at 18 and worked and paid my own way. My husband did the same. There are schools out there that focus attention on the students working their way through. They charge no tuition but the students must all work on campus. I'll also encourage my DS to join the military, perhaps the air force and get his training there. I think paying for things for your adult children sets them up for failure and an attitude of entitlement. If you want it you work for or you don't get it, no one pays your way through life.

No argument from me. I paid for a lot of my own college (and we happened to qualify for a lot of aid), and I think that it made me a much different student than those who did not have a hand in it. You could ask several of my friends what they wanted to do for a career and many of them had no idea, they were just taking Communications on a whim. Now, IMO, college is way too much money to be doing that - even back in my day.

However, my mother did manage to pay for a good bit of my fees too - and I must say that since I was covering the rest I was WAY more appreciative for whatever portion she could cover so I wouldn't have that added to my loans.

Dh and I are in the same boat that we don't even truly want to pay for 100% of our kids college - it is just as much a learning experience and education and initiation into reponsible adulthood to figure out how you're going to pay for your part as the classwork is.

But, remembering fondly how much I appreciated how my mom bent over backwards to pay for what she did - we are saving a decent chunk. Best of both worlds, IMO.
 
OP -- we are in the process of setting up a 529 for DD and from what I understand, you can invest in any 529 plan in ANY state. So if WI doesn't have a high rated 529 plan, you can pick one from another state. I haven't looked too much into that since I'm in Ohio & am fortunate that we have one of the top-rated plans, so I'm assuming there are some negatives to investing in an out-of-state plan, but it's just another thing to think about. Maybe some other DISers will have some more information.

We will be paying 100% for our children's college. My parents paid for my school & I will be forever grateful to them for it. I have no sense of entitlement, nor am I spoiled, irresponsible or ungrateful. I got some scholarships to help out & managed to graduate in 3 years with honors to save them money as well (because of the pricing structure of credits at the time, it was cheaper to load up on classes).

Neither DH nor any of his 4 brothers had their college paid for and they all took different routes to financing it. DH was the luckiest & got a full scholarship including room & board.

We will encourage and expect our children to obtain as many scholarships as possible but if they don't, we'll pay for the rest. I don't want them to graduate with such a financial burden and I don't want to encourage any of them to experience the violence, anxiety & homesickness of possible being part of a war through the military.
 
I don't want to encourage any of them to experience the violence, anxiety & homesickness of possible being part of a war through the military.

What a nation of WHIMPS we are raising!!!!!!
 
What a nation of WHIMPS we are raising!!!!!!

Really? I think there are many who join the armed forces because they want to serve their country. However, there are many who join because of unemployment, lack of funds, inability to pay for college, or just not book-smart enough to make it through college. I used to work in HR hiring security officers, and had many applicants who came out of the military. Many joined because they lived in poor urban areas, and needed something to do.

Some people are nut cut out for the military, and some are not cut out for college. We have little military in our family. FIL served in the Navy in WWII a long time ago, and my BIL was an officer in the Navy. However, most everyone else got a college degree, and most a post-graduate degree, and many are making mid 6 figure salaries, and living a nice life.

If you can't afford to send your kids to college, fine, many, many can't. But please don't call those who choose not to go the military route wimps - sounds like you are trying to make yourself feel less guilty.
 
How does 529 affect financial aid?

The 529 account is considered an asset of the parent, not the student. Parents are expected to contribute 5.64% of their reportable assets which exceed their asset protection allowance. Students are expected to contribute 20% of their assets. (The student percentage is higher since it is an investment in their future so they are expected to contribute a higher percentage.) If you put $5000 in the 529 account for the next 6 years and it had grown to $35,000 value when you complete your FAFSA, your expected family contribution would increase by just under $2,000 because of the 529 account.

Now for more unsolicited information....
Few people pay the "sticker price" for college so make sure your daughter looks into private schools too when the time comes to apply. Don't assume state schools are necessarily less expensive or that it is easier to get accepted at a state school. Private schools typically have more scholarship money to award so sometimes they can be less expensive than a public institution for good students.

Contact the guidance department NOW at the highschool your daughter will attend and find out when they have informational meetings about financial aid, college selection, etc. Start attending them before her junior year in high school. That way you can be making good choices now instead of finding out in 5 years you wished you had done things differently.

Good luck!!
 
What a nation of WHIMPS we are raising!!!!!!

I always thought it was spelled "wimps" but meh, either way I'm a-ok with it. I'm very much a pacifist and hope my children will have no desire to be involved in the military. There's certainly nothing wrong with those who chose that occupation & life... I commend them for their courage & commitment. My BIL opted to join the military to pay for his college & spent a year in Iraq.

If you are a passionately patriotic person and really want to join the military, then I support you (even if I may not necessarily support the military actions of our government) and would support my children if that's the decision they make. I just don't want them forced into it unwillingly as a way to pay for college. If they want to go to college, I'll pay for it. If they want to go to the military, I'll cringe internally but fully support them.
 
Really? I think there are many who join the armed forces because they want to serve their country. However, there are many who join because of unemployment, lack of funds, inability to pay for college, or just not book-smart enough to make it through college. I used to work in HR hiring security officers, and had many applicants who came out of the military. Many joined because they lived in poor urban areas, and needed something to do.

Some people are nut cut out for the military, and some are not cut out for college. We have little military in our family. FIL served in the Navy in WWII a long time ago, and my BIL was an officer in the Navy. However, most everyone else got a college degree, and most a post-graduate degree, and many are making mid 6 figure salaries, and living a nice life.

If you can't afford to send your kids to college, fine, many, many can't. But please don't call those who choose not to go the military route wimps - sounds like you are trying to make yourself feel less guilty.

What do I have to feel guilty about? I never said I couldn't pay for my kids to go to college, I said I wouldn't. Just like last year when my 6 year old son wanted a DSi. I could have bought it for him, but I made him save a buy it himself. He saved for over a year. I believe in hard work and making your own way. I don't think everyone has to go into the military. I was suggesting it as a good way to finance your education and learn some discipline as well. I was not implying that anyone who did not join the military was a whimp. But a mommy who doesn't want her adult baby going because they may get homesick or have anxiety is sickening to me!
 
OP -- one other thing I'd recommend & plan on highly encouraging my kids to do: participate in the post-secondary program if it's offered in your high school/college.

I was able to take college classes at the university my senior year of high school (you can start your junior year) that counted for BOTH my high school credits & college credit... and it was completely free.

So, for example, I took Government at the university & didn't have to take it at my high school.... and when I enrolled full-time at the university the following year, it was one less required class that I had to take.
 
But a mommy who doesn't want her adult baby going because they may get homesick or have anxiety is sickening to me!

I've got some Pepto for ya if you want any. ;)

Any parent that encourages their children to head off to war just so they can go to college does the same for me, so I suppose we both need a couple tablespoons of it, eh?
 












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