Another reason to get a passport

[tvguy]

It's not for identification. An employer completing an I-9 form for a new employee can use any number of documents to establish ID and other ones to establish employment authorization.

A passport does take care of both issues, but given that a DL and an SSN card can do the same, everyone doesn't need a passport when hired.

I understand we all come from different life experiences. For our family Passports were worth the money. And given what folks are paying for a Disney cruise, the cost of a Passport is minimal.

 

[tvguy]

I pretty much have always given my SSN for job in fact my husband could have used that for his new job taken just 3 months ago. And in my comment I said mostly commonly people use a SSN card I did not say that was all they could use.

And you're using outdated information (no offense), trust me my SSN card issued in my married name (don't know where my other one is but I believe it's the same) in 2013 does not in fact say that bottom part, nothing on it says it's prohibited for ID. That is like a really old picture. Don't you remember when people were told to keep their SSN cards in their wallet OR when they were on DLs? Then it was like "oops yea don't do that" AND most importantly is part of showing my identity to get a real ID a SSN is one of the documents you can bring for proof of Social Security:
One (1) proof of Social Security * A full Social Security Number MUST be visible. Social Security Card, Current W-2 or 1099 or 1040 Current pay stub

Regardless that wasn't even the point of the comment. You posed why everyone doesn't have it so they could show it for school enrollment, a job, or to get a real ID. I just gave counterpoints for why that's impractical for many to get a passport just for that including the fact that you typically use/need a certified copy of a birth certificate to get one.

Well, not sure when my parents got my Social Security card, my guess early 1960's. My wife got her's in her married name in 1982 and my kids got theirs in 1987 and 1991 and their's have the Not for Identification notation.
I always provide my Social Security Number for a new job, just not the card. As a child my parents told me never to carry my social security card, they kept mine in the Safe Deposit box with theirs.
Yes, in the 1970s my DL did have my SS number on it. And in 1975 my University required your social security number on any checks as it was also your Student ID number. But by 1979 after cases of ID theft they switched to stand along Student ID numbers.
And at least in California, a Social Security card is not one of the documents you can submit for a Real ID. https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/drive...-id/how-do-i-get-a-real-id/real-id-checklist/

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Well, not sure when my parents got my Social Security card, my guess early 1960's. My wife got her's in her married name in 1982 and my kids got theirs in 1987 and 1991 and their's have the Not for Identification notation.
I always provide my Social Security Number for a new job, just not the card. As a child my parents told me never to carry my social security card, they kept mine in the Safe Deposit box with theirs.
Yes, in the 1970s my DL did have my SS number on it. And in 1975 my University required your social security number on any checks as it was also your Student ID number. But by 1979 after cases of ID theft they switched to stand along Student ID numbers.
And at least in California, a Social Security card is not one of the documents you can submit for a Real ID. https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/drive...-id/how-do-i-get-a-real-id/real-id-checklist/

This is from this document https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/file/dl-1010-fast-facts-about-federal-real-id-pdf/ you still need the SSN number you, they just don't say the card is required:




I'm not going to go through the states but proof of your SSN on a document is required and the state next to me It's part of "proof of social security"

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OF course you have to provide your SSN number for a job...how else are they going to start the background check and ensure they in compliance with the IRS. But they can require the docs in person (and take a copy if need be). People give their SSN all the time without the card, but we were talking about documents and that SSN card can be needed for things.

It's really easy to say everyone should just get a passport but it still requires documents to be given and those documents are needed for other things (like your birth certificate) and if you have differing names from marriage, divorce or adoption or a legal name change it adds more documents to provide. IDK the whole premise of my comment was to basically say it ain't that easy (and it maybe shouldn't be the easiest when it comes to a passport) and that some of those documents you're providing to get a passport are ones you need to provide for other things so it doesn't necessarily just voila replace things, that's it And it was in response to you saying you didn't know why everyone didn't just have one

 

[elittleton]

You can go online and request a birth certificate for far less then the cost of a passport. Seem to recall when I needed one a few years ago it was free or only a minimal cost. If you never plan to travel overseas, the $100+ cost of a passport doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

For me the cost of a passport makes sense because if for some reason you miss the ship and you have a passport no problem getting to the next port or flying home. If you don’t have a passport then you have to jump thru a bunch of hoops to get home because the DL is not going to work.

 

[Milky]

For me the cost of a passport makes sense because if for some reason you miss the ship and you have a passport no problem getting to the next port or flying home. If you don’t have a passport then you have to jump thru a bunch of hoops to get home because the DL is not going to work.

Also the cost and time to fix is out weigh the cost of a passport.

 

[Lilsia]

Wow! My parents got me the certified BC from the state when I was 3 years old! LOL

I don't remember when exactly that I learned the difference but it was some time when I was still a child. My mom told us the difference between the hospital one and an actual certified one. Also what we would need a certified birth certificate for. My parents had certified copies of ours, of course, because they needed them for various things growing up. I don't know how this woman got through her whole life without an actual certified copy. And the fact that her mom didn't know either is surprising. You need one to get your driver's license, your SS card, and a number of other things.

 

[Lilsia]

I have never been asked for my Social Security card for any job. It has never left my safe deposit box. Besides, it says right on it "Not For Identification". Last job I took was in 2005 and a Passport is all I needed to prove citizenship. They needed my DL to ad me to the company's Auto Insurance policy.
They did have a big mess two years ago my last job. They let a woman start working while she worked to get proof she was either a citizen or legally in the U.S. At the end of her 90 day probationary period, the had to let her go. She had a DL and a SSN card, but no birth certificate, no Passport and no green card.View attachment 671290

So in the past, employers only needed your SS number. But recently, most jobs are wanting to see the actual card. Too much fraud and stolen SS numbers now I guess.

 

[nancipants]

II don't know how this woman got through her whole life without an actual certified copy. And the fact that her mom didn't know either is surprising. You need one to get your driver's license, your SS card, and a number of other things.

Apparently, my mom did, and she never had a problem getting all those other things. Unless she has another copy stashed somewhere she forgot about.

 

[lanejudy]

I don't know how this woman got through her whole life without an actual certified copy. And the fact that her mom didn't know either is surprising.

I absolutely can see that. For anyone who grew up in the 19xx's - things were much more lax, people/businesses were more trusting, even government agencies weren't as strict on such things. Plus it wasn't anywhere near as easy to obtain official copies if you had moved away. Life today is just so much different.

 

[easyas123]

I absolutely can see that. For anyone who grew up in the 19xx's - things were much more lax, people/businesses were more trusting, even government agencies weren't as strict on such things. Plus it wasn't anywhere near as easy to obtain official copies if you had moved away. Life today is just so much different.

I was born on the 7th, and the cut off for registering for Kindergarten was the 1st. My mother fudged/forged/used a bit of whiteout or whatever and changed the 7 to a 1 and thus I began school with a forged birth certificate
I still have it, in the lock box along w/ my real (certified) birth certificate.
We got our kids passports early on - honestly we never knew when a travel opportunity might come along and we wanted to be prepared and they came in handy for sure.
As far as SS cards - we have required them, and not copies, along with a Government form of ID for all new hires. Have done so for many, many years.

 

[Starport Seven-Five]

You can go online and request a birth certificate for far less then the cost of a passport. Seem to recall when I needed one a few years ago it was free or only a minimal cost. If you never plan to travel overseas, the $100+ cost of a passport doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

They were traveling internationally via a cruise ship. There is a way around needing a passport in that instance, but it has well documented risks.

I think of it this way: If you can afford a Disney cruise, the cost of passports is negligible.

 

[_19disnA]

Well........... or have the necessary documents they require for you to board. The issue in the posted article was the document was not actually an acceptable birth certificate.

 

[tvguy]

So in the past, employers only needed your SS number. But recently, most jobs are wanting to see the actual card. Too much fraud and stolen SS numbers now I guess.

My last employer and the DMV here use a database to verify a match between the social security number and person's name.. Social Security Cards are easy to fake, and there are no security features on a Social Security Card.

 

[nancipants]

Well........... or have the necessary documents they require for you to board. The issue in the posted article was the document was not actually an acceptable birth certificate.

And you wouldn't be able to get a passport if you didn't have the acceptable birth certificate, anyway.

 

[Lilsia]

I absolutely can see that. For anyone who grew up in the 19xx's - things were much more lax, people/businesses were more trusting, even government agencies weren't as strict on such things. Plus it wasn't anywhere near as easy to obtain official copies if you had moved away. Life today is just so much different.

This woman was born in 1969, per the article. I was born in 1973 so we are the same generation. It was not hard to get a certified copy, you either went down to your civic building, or asked for one through the mail, which I have had to do since we moved when I was a teen. Millions of people did this. And I needed my official one for many things, driver's license, marriage license, to change my name on all of my official records after getting married, including SS card, etc. How did she get a real ID driver's license? Obviously where she lives they are very lax about those kinds of things, which is probably why so much fraud occurs. Yikes. And the mom should have told taught her the difference.

 

[Starport Seven-Five]

And you wouldn't be able to get a passport if you didn't have the acceptable birth certificate, anyway.

Much better to find that out at home than at the port.

 

[nancipants]

Much better to find that out at home than at the port.

No doubt. I had this experience with my mother. Just pointing out that you can't get the passport without it!

 

[lanejudy]

This woman was born in 1969, per the article. I was born in 1973 so we are the same generation. It was not hard to get a certified copy, you either went down to your civic building, or asked for one through the mail, which I have had to do since we moved when I was a teen. Millions of people did this. And I needed my official one for many things, driver's license, marriage license, to change my name on all of my official records after getting married, including SS card, etc. How did she get a real ID driver's license? Obviously where she lives they are very lax about those kinds of things, which is probably why so much fraud occurs. Yikes. And the mom should have told taught her the difference.

I am also of that generation. Maybe where I grew up things were more lax than where you were. There are many different styles of "hospital" birth certificate ranging from those that are clearly decorative and others that have quite a bit of "real" detail including a county stamp. You don't know what she had in her hand. It's possible she had an official "short form" birth certificate which used to be very common unless specifically requesting a long form. Just because YOU obtained the right documentation easily as a teen doesn't mean it was easy for everyone; my mother had to get mine when I was in college because 1) they only accepted requests in-person, 2) I was out of state and unable to get there during business hours and 3) something about old records (the hospital where I was born no longer exists). I can absolutely understand how someone of that generation got by for ~40+ years without knowing the document they have in-hand was no longer adequate even though it was previously accepted for other things.

To the OP's point...if she had tried to get a passport, she would not have arrived at the port with an unacceptable document because the passport application would have been rejected. At that point she likely had time to get the right birth certificate, though maybe not a passport.

 

[DCSWO]

A moderator should close this thread. It has served its point.

 

[Lilsia]

I am also of that generation. Maybe where I grew up things were more lax than where you were. There are many different styles of "hospital" birth certificate ranging from those that are clearly decorative and others that have quite a bit of "real" detail including a county stamp. You don't know what she had in her hand. It's possible she had an official "short form" birth certificate which used to be very common unless specifically requesting a long form. Just because YOU obtained the right documentation easily as a teen doesn't mean it was easy for everyone; my mother had to get mine when I was in college because 1) they only accepted requests in-person, 2) I was out of state and unable to get there during business hours and 3) something about old records (the hospital where I was born no longer exists). I can absolutely understand how someone of that generation got by for ~40+ years without knowing the document they have in-hand was no longer adequate even though it was previously accepted for other things.

To the OP's point...if she had tried to get a passport, she would not have arrived at the port with an unacceptable document because the passport application would have been rejected. At that point she likely had time to get the right birth certificate, though maybe not a passport.

Fair enough. It is a shame that there are some Counties that are not as organized as they should be, especially with something as important as this. I also don't think that they should allow people to leave the Country on a cruise without a passport. Anything can happen where you will have to come in through means other then the ship again. I think that rule needs to change.