annual pass sales??

[Sandisw]

I am not saying they cant choose to not bring back APs. I am simply saying if thats true at a certain point when they remove APs from the membership extras they then need to replace it with something else.

Its two separate things:

1. Can they remove a specific benefit? Yes
2. If they remove a benefit then what? Its required to be replaced with something else similar of similar value, quality, and type.

Find me where is says it’s required. What you posted does not say that. It simply gives them the power to do so IF they chose to do it.

Sorry, but we are entitled to no specific benefit and losing the AP does not entitle us to a replacement ticket of any kind.

Its pretty clear from the terms and conditions that no incidental benefit is guaranteed.

 

[The Jackal]

No, but it has nothing to do with DVC and excess points. DPEP runs the AP program and decided not to offer them,

I think it had to do with capacity concerns when they stopped the again Before the holidays.

Now, I think they have not returned because the parks are doing pretty well and crowds are heavier again...this coming week, I believe most days are completely sold out.

My hope is we see them back come Spring…because I do want to get a voucher so I can possibly not renew as the current date I have is not the best.

Parks are full, no room for cash or hotel guests, but there is openings for AP holders only. Hmmm weird.

 

[Sandisw]

I think many of us can accept that DVC may not have a legal or contractual obligation to offer AP's for sale to DVC members, but those facts do not negate the belief that they should do so. Customer satisfaction and retention just make good corporate sense. DVC members may be a small percentage of the overall customer base, but we are an important constituency and one the company should continue to court.

But DVD has no say in AP sales, no matter how much they might want to be able to have DVC members get them.

If they did, given the flat sales, they would find a way. Obviously we can go round and round about it but the reality is that until DPEP gives the green light for sales, only renewals are happening.

 

[Sandisw]

Parks are full, no room for cash or hotel guests, but there is openings for AP holders only. Hmmm weird.

Not sure I understand

 

[BeachClub2014]

But DVD has not say in AP sales, no matter how much they might want to be able to have DVC members get them.

DVC may not be able to independently sell members annual passes, but I don't know that we can say with any degree of certainty whether they have input into the decision. Given other perks and benefits that are directly tied to parks, it would seem logical that DVC has some influence over the AP benefit.

 

[Sandisw]

DVC may not be able to independently sell members annual passes, but I don't know that we can say with any degree of certainty whether they have input into the decision. Given other perks and benefits that are directly tied to parks, it would seem logical that DVC has some influence over the AP benefit.

They don’t have the ability to override the decision made by DPEP. I am sure they have input to say they want us to get it.

However, they do not have the ability to force that division to sell them to DVC members if they don’t want to sell them to us.

Honestly, it’s the best and biggest perk DVD can offer new buyers so it makes no logical sense for them not to be available if they had the ability to get them for us.

 

[nuhusky123]

I’m really hoping post Presidents’ Day they bring them back. I know spring break is next but there is always some holiday weekend just around the corner

if it’s not after Presidents’ Day, then after spring break, if not spring break then after the 4th, if not after the 4th after Labor Day and so on. It never ends

 

[BeachClub2014]

They don’t have the ability to override the decision made by DPEP.

However, they do not have the independent ability to force that division to sell them to DVC members if they don’t want to sell them to us.

So, I didn't say or imply that DVC could do so. But none of us really knows that, do we? Unless we are made privy to the discussions, if any, between executives from DVC and DPEP.

The topic is great for a good old fashion debate, but at the end of the day, none of us really knows anything other than we can't buy AP's and think we should be able to do so.

 

[BeachClub2014]

Honestly, it’s the best and biggest perk DVD can offer new buyers so it makes no logical sense for them not to be available if they had the ability to get them for us.

Totally agree with this sentiment.

 

[DebbieB]

Actually there is and its all guided by the Membership Extras Disclosure.

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Its already in there that if they remove a benefit they will need to replace it with something of similar value, quality, and reasonably similar. So if APs are gone then ticket discounts need to appear and then it can get in to the weeds as to what is similar.

In the end like previously I think DVC will point to them offering a DVC pass just that APs are not being sold so you can't buy it. At this point I suspect we won't see APs going on sale again until after Spring Break.

I don’t think Membership Extras are an official part of the contract. I bought in 1999, it wasn’t there. There were no AP discounts then either, just 10% length of stay.

 

[Sandisw]

So, I didn't say or imply that DVC could do so. But none of us really knows that, do we? Unless we are made privy to the discussions, if any, between executives from DVC and DPEP.

The topic is great for a good old fashion debate, but at the end of the day, none of us really knows anything other than we can't buy AP's and think we should be able to do so.

I had a child who worked for a different division of Disney for years and while not DVC and only DPEP for one year, there is a lot of things behind the scenes that happen that make it clear the divisions run on their own.

So, I feel pretty confident in saying that DPEP is the one calling the shots.

 

[BeachClub2014]

I had a child who worked for a different division of Disney for years and while not DVC and only DPEP for one year, there is a lot of things behind the scenes that happen that make it clear the divisions run on their own.

So, I feel pretty confident in saying that DPEP is the one calling the shots.

I actually never suggested otherwise.

 

[Sandisw]

I actually never suggested otherwise.

Oh, I know and didn’t meant to imply that.

I was just trying to give some context as to why I made the statement that I made!!!

 

[BeachClub2014]

Oh, I know and didn’t meant to imply that.

I was just trying to give some context as to why I made the statement that I made!!!

I'm thinking all of the suits from DVC and DPEP actually sat around the 50-foot mahogany table and flipped a quarter on the AP question and we lost the flip. I could probably accept that reason over any other.

 

[nuhusky123]

I'm thinking all of the suits from DVC and DPEP actually sat around the 50-foot mahogany table and flipped a quarter on the AP question and we lost the flip. I could probably accept that reason over any other.

Knowing Corp America and how each division has their own capex dpep probably don’t give a rats about dvc capex. All dpep cares about is hitting their own numbers

i doubt dvc like the situation as it will make things hard to sell dvc but dpep need to hit their numbers

 

[CarolynFH]

I posted this in another thread because I think it could be a factor. I agree that DVD really would like AP sales to begin again ASAP - it's such a good sales incentive.

I wonder if Disney is waiting on the outcome of the lawsuit in California: https://allears.net/2021/12/20/news-disneyland-responds-to-5-million-magic-key-lawsuit/
Disney might be holding off on restarting sale of new APs at WDW in order to see what the court says about whether or how much capacity Disney must hold open for passholders as opposed to regular ticket buyers. Even though the lawsuit is focused on the Magic Key program at DL, the outcome might influence the design of the WDW AP program. They could be allowing renewals because that's a limited number of APs.

 

[lowlight]

I posted this in another thread because I think it could be a factor. I agree that DVD really would like AP sales to begin again ASAP - it's such a good sales incentive.

I fully believe that’s a factor.

 

[BeachClub2014]

I posted this in another thread because I think it could be a factor. I agree that DVD really would like AP sales to begin again ASAP - it's such a good sales incentive.

Probably as good a reason as any. Sounds plausible.

 

[nuhusky123]

Probably as good a reason as any. Sounds plausible.

Interestingly this lawsuit was originally in a ca state court. Disney petitioned to move to federal which would have impacts to both wdw and dl so they must have high degree of confidence the outcome will give Disney more control

 

[DVCsloth]

Right now, we have the Pirate pass. If the weekend crowds continue like have been recently, we are considering the pixie pass and avoiding the parks on the weekend.