annual pass sales??

[sethschroeder]

I don’t think Membership Extras are an official part of the contract. I bought in 1999, it wasn’t there. There were no AP discounts then either, just 10% length of stay.

Yes it's built in to the sales contract now actually. I have it on both my direct contracts from 2020.

 

[sethschroeder]

But DVD has no say in AP sales, no matter how much they might want to be able to have DVC members get them.

If they did, given the flat sales, they would find a way. Obviously we can go round and round about it but the reality is that until DPEP gives the green light for sales, only renewals are happening.

At a certain point they run risk of compliance issues with their sales contracts if they are listing benefits in the sales contracts they have no intent to provide. At that point they need to adjust their contract to remove that specific membership extra which no longer exist. At that time they then need to replace it not just remove it.

As someone brought up about length of stay tickets that's the potential they shift to long term if APs don't actually come back.

It would likely require WDW ending APs though not just putting sales on hold since DVC can point to APs still being a thing just unavailable for new purchase.

In the end if they could simply remove without replacement there wouldn't be language about replacement and what constitutes acceptable replacement they simply would say they can remove and add as they see fit and leave it at that.

 

[DebbieB]

Yes it's built in to the sales contract now actually. I have it on both my direct contracts from 2020.

i have a Product Understanding Checklist with mine. There is one clause that reads: From time to time, special discounts may be offered by the developer. These discounts and special programs may be modified, supplemented, or terminated at any time and you should not purchase based on continued availability is such programs. Please refer to the Member Benefits Guidebook and Member Guidebook for Terms and Conditions.

I don’t have the current one but I’d be surprised if they don’t have something similar to cover themselves.

 

[Sandisw]

At a certain point they run risk of compliance issues with their sales contracts if they are listing benefits in the sales contracts they have no intent to provide. At that point they need to adjust their contract to remove that specific membership extra which no longer exist. At that time they then need to replace it not just remove it.

As someone brought up about length of stay tickets that's the potential they shift to long term if APs don't actually come back.

It would likely require WDW ending APs though not just putting sales on hold since DVC can point to APs still being a thing just unavailable for new purchase.

In the end if they could simply remove without replacement there wouldn't be language about replacement and what constitutes acceptable replacement they simply would say they can remove and add as they see fit and leave it at that.

Your take would mean we are being guaranteed some level of ticket admission, if the AP is gone.

I already posted the language that says that any benefit can be terminated at any time. So, they have given themselves the right to do that In the Membership Extras guide.

I think the clause you mention gives them the ability to pretty much make any changes they want and be able to say it’s of equal value.

An example… we currently get a discount on water park tickets but say those both shut down temporarily. DVD could decide they will offer people $20 off a regular ticket instead.

That clause allows them to do that without having to update the document for the short term change.

The POS does say these can be terminated and says nothing regarding being replaced. Here is the contract language from RIV.

So, I do think the sales contract matches and I just don’t see us having been promised anything specific.

 

[Sandisw]

i have a Product Understanding Checklist with mine. There is one clause that reads: From time to time, special discounts may be offered by the developer. These discounts and special programs may be modified, supplemented, or terminated at any time and you should not purchase based on continued availability is such programs. Please refer to the Member Benefits Guidebook and Member Guidebook for Terms and Conditions.

I don’t have the current one but I’d be surprised if they don’t have something similar to cover themselves.

Still says that and terms and conditions are still the same. Perks come and go and pretty much DVD makes the rules.

 

[chalee94]

Right now, we have the Pirate pass. If the weekend crowds continue like have been recently, we are considering the pixie pass and avoiding the parks on the weekend.

Kinda pointless right now, but I wish DVC had access to these cheaper APs also...

 

[The Jackal]

Not sure I understand

Only park available this week for resort guest or ticket purchasers Tuesday to Friday is Epcot, unless if you have an AP, then all parks are available.

 

[Prince John Robin Hood]

Only park available this week for resort guest or ticket purchasers Tuesday to Friday is Epcot, unless if you have an AP, then all parks are available.

I don't get how there's not an onsite perk to offer additional park availability. Disney makes really bizarre decisions these days.

 

[CarolMN]

A note from a Mod:

I deleted several posts from this thread. If/When you see a post that does not meet the Disboards Posting Guidelines, please do NOT quote/reply to it. Use the Report feature (there is a Report link at the bottom of each post) and let the mods take care of it. Thank you.

 

[Sandisw]

Only park available this week for resort guest or ticket purchasers Tuesday to Friday is Epcot, unless if you have an AP, then all parks are available.

Olay. Yes, that was the point I was trying to make.

Since they have so many of the other spots filled, they are in no rush to bring these back so don’t need the AP.

However, I’d bet there are AP spots because those that are local aren’t going this week due to it being a winter break week.

But I now wonder if the suspension of sales is dragging out longer because of the lawsuit that @CarolynFH mentioned. That would make sense.

 

[DisneyonMars]

The way they handled the AP situation makes me very sad. The pulled selling the AP's this past fall instead of giving an end date, like AP's will be on sale until November 30th to give people warning they would be gone. I was waiting until closer to my travel date to purchase them and then they were gone.

I hope they go back on sale soon. I know I bought direct points in part to get the option to buy AP passes and I think more would buy direct dVC points if they are available.

 

[Sandisw]

The way they handled the AP situation makes me very sad. The pulled selling the AP's this past fall instead of giving an end date, like AP's will be on sale until November 30th to give people warning they would be gone. I was waiting until closer to my travel date to purchase them and then they were gone.

I hope they go back on sale soon. I know I bought direct points in part to get the option to buy AP passes and I think more would buy direct dVC points if they are available.

Unfortunately I think many people waited and got caught off guard, just like in 2020.

I was going to buy a voucher when I went in January so I could decide whether to renew my pass in March or not.

But, I had to renew since sales are suspended.

 

[Brian Noble]

Yes it's built in to the sales contract now actually. I have it on both my direct contracts from 2020.

It would appear that Disney's lawyers disagree with your interpretation of the contract-in-total, and agree with @Sandisw. I suppose they might be wrong, but it would likely be expensive to find out.

 

[lowlight]

It would appear that Disney's lawyers disagree with your interpretation of the contract-in-total, and agree with @Sandisw. I suppose they might be wrong, but it would likely be expensive to find out.

While I do believe you and Sandi are correct, I wonder at what point it becomes false advertisement. Like the car dealers that put unavailable vehicles in the ads at huge discounts to draw traffic, and when you show up it’s “sold”. The law is weird like that, there really isn’t a black and white contract that is indisputable, it’s left up to the courts to interpret what the average person would believe and if there is culpability.

Sure Disney says they can take it perks away at any time and don’t buy based on them, but if they were in all advertising materials for over a year and you purchased not knowing they were never coming back, I can see a judge ruling against Disney. But I’m just a non legal schmuck on the internet like the rest of you, so I have only about 4% of an idea what I’m talking about.

 

[sethschroeder]

It would appear that Disney's lawyers disagree with your interpretation of the contract-in-total, and agree with @Sandisw. I suppose they might be wrong, but it would likely be expensive to find out.

How do you deem that?

Have they revoked AP? It's in the paperwork still and they are pointing to WDW pulling sales temporarily.

As I outlined its when it become permanent removal of APs (don't see it happening) that they would have issues with compliance regarding their sales contracts.

 

[Brian Noble]

How do you deem that?

They are not offering it, and they have not replaced it with anything.

I suppose that's just because no one with relevant authority at Disney ever noticed that the language you are citing is in the contract, but I wouldn't bet money on it.

 

[AvidDisReader]

At a certain point they run risk of compliance issues with their sales contracts if they are listing benefits in the sales contracts they have no intent to provide. At that point they need to adjust their contract to remove that specific membership extra which no longer exist. At that time they then need to replace it not just remove it.

As someone brought up about length of stay tickets that's the potential they shift to long term if APs don't actually come back.

It would likely require WDW ending APs though not just putting sales on hold since DVC can point to APs still being a thing just unavailable for new purchase.

In the end if they could simply remove without replacement there wouldn't be language about replacement and what constitutes acceptable replacement they simply would say they can remove and add as they see fit and leave it at that.

This is an interesting post. I am DVC member and have an annual pass that I have renewed and plan to keep. However I work for a very large corp that does business with Disney. As a perk, I can buy discounted Tickets for one trip a year for myself and all those in my party. The site I go into thru work takes me to a Disney website where the discount works out to be 20% off the rack rate (optional to get Genie Plus also at discount). This could be offered to DVC members rather than annual pass. It sucks, but it would work.

 

[sethschroeder]

They are not offering it, and they have not replaced it with anything.

I suppose that's just because no one with relevant authority at Disney ever noticed that the language you are citing is in the contract, but I wouldn't bet money on it.

Except again right now they are pointing to WDW not offering it temporarily.

If WDW removes it permanently then DVC will have to remove it from their sales contracts at which time what I am talking about with a replacement will kick in.

DVC outlines there can be interruptions to access.

This is why it seems every time I bring up this point people get distracted. They can get by temporarily. It's when they outright remove the benefit the language would kick in. That could either be DVC removing AP access (unlikely) or WDW killing off the AP program.

 

[sethschroeder]

This is an interesting post. I am DVC member and have an annual pass that I have renewed and plan to keep. However I work for a very large corp that does business with Disney. As a perk, I can buy discounted Tickets for one trip a year for myself and all those in my party. The site I go into thru work takes me to a Disney website where the discount works out to be 20% off the rack rate (optional to get Genie Plus also at discount). This could be offered to DVC members rather than annual pass. It sucks, but it would work.

I would suspect something like that, length of stay pass, or annual punch ticket would be something they look at it.

Annual punch ticket = buy 10 days and use them at any time within 12 months

 

[Sandisw]

How do you deem that?

Have they revoked AP? It's in the paperwork still and they are pointing to WDW pulling sales temporarily.

As I outlined its when it become permanent removal of APs (don't see it happening) that they would have issues with compliance regarding their sales contracts.

The paperwork was updated to say “from time to time” they may offer it. That is pretty clear it can come and go.