annual pass sales??

[sethschroeder]

The paperwork was updated to say “from time to time” they may offer it. That is pretty clear it can come and go.

Again looking too short term. This is if APs are sunset. As time to time means there needs to be a time.

Yes they can have times where it's not offered. They can't simply just remove access to APs long term and not replace it though with something.

It's also likely why you have always saw a ticket based discount. Heck DVC even came out with the ticket discount last year before APs came back likely to appease the concept of offering something ticket based.

 

[gregskellington]

Seth, DVD does not offer APs. They never have and never will. Annual Passes are a separate product offered by a separate entity. AP discounts (a benefit that DVD has offered in the past) have not even been offered throughout the history of DVC. They have zero obligation to offer anything different and nothing you've pointed to says otherwise in any way.

 

[Sandisw]

While I do believe you and Sandi are correct, I wonder at what point it becomes false advertisement. Like the car dealers that put unavailable vehicles in the ads at huge discounts to draw traffic, and when you show up it’s “sold”. The law is weird like that, there really isn’t a black and white contract that is indisputable, it’s left up to the courts to interpret what the average person would believe and if there is culpability.

Sure Disney says they can take it perks away at any time and don’t buy based on them, but if they were in all advertising materials for over a year and you purchased not knowing they were never coming back, I can see a judge ruling against Disney. But I’m just a non legal schmuck on the internet like the rest of you, so I have only about 4% of an idea what I’m talking about.

The paperwork they require you to sign is pretty clear regarding it

Now, if you ask about benefits, and the AP is available, they will tell you about it.

But, the membership extras document given to new owners, as well as the clause from the POS states they are not part of what you buy, and can change or end at any time.

At some point, people do need to understand what they are buying and read through things carefully.

 

[Sandisw]

Again looking too short term. This is if APs are sunset. As time to time means there needs to be a time.

Yes they can have times where it's not offered. They can't simply just remove access to APs long term and not replace it though with something.

It's also likely why you have always saw a ticket based discount. Heck DVC even came out with the ticket discount last year before APs came back likely to appease the concept of offering something ticket based.

Not understanding. It says “From time to time, we may be offered the option to buy an AP at a discount. But goes on to say that any benefit can be terminated at any time. Nothing to do with the program having to be ended.

We are going to agree to disagree because there is absolutely nothing in the contract or the Membership Extras document that says they must do that.

Again, you have yet to point out a specific aspect of the contract that says they MUST replace a benefit that is removed with something else.

We are not, and never have been guaranteed a specific ticket discount

And yes, last year they got the DPEP to include us in the buy 4 get 2 free days ticket offer. But not because they were required to, but because they decided they wanted to as they reserve that right.

 

[Brian Noble]

This is if APs are sunset.

"All of which are hypothetical."
--Bill Parcells

(The entire video is hilarious if you happen to be a football fan, but it is NSFW)

 

[lowlight]

The paperwork they require you to sign is pretty clear regarding it

Now, if you ask about benefits, and the AP is available, they will tell you about it.

But, the membership extras document given to new owners, as well as the clause from the POS states they are not part of what you buy, and can change or end at any time.

At some point, people do need to understand what they are buying and read through things carefully.

I can say that 2x in my own personal life, a contract meant absolutely nothing when I went to small claims court. It's pretty much why lawyers exist, because contracts constantly have unlawful things written in them between parties where a huge power gap exists, or contractual obligations are neglected or skirted blatantly, or sometimes so narrowly that a judge has to decide if it was legal. I don't want to argue, so I'll bow out of the discussion now.

 

[DVCsloth]

I didn't read the fine print when I bought VGF because I guess it is written in there somewhere that they can change the entire room balance of the resort. I wouldn't have known at the time to even look for it, but they changed it. Went in looking for Wilderness Lodge and they said it was sold out and VGF was being offered. I wasn't too concerned about annual passes since I am a Florida resident and already knew they offered us a decent price on passes. I really think it would be a problem if they don't bring back passes for DVC. I guess they could offer some sort of discounted ticket, but the passes are awesome for us. They seem to be filling the parks without it so who knows.

 

[CarolMN]

I think a whole lot of us DVC Members would be satisfied with an annual pass that would only be good while/if we were staying using points (or via cash booked through MS).

FWIW, I don't think that type of pass would noticeably change demand for park reservations since those of us without an annual pass are buying MYW tickets. (I've assumed the actual reason for the annual pass suspension was capacity control).

 

[eandt]

It would appear that Disney's lawyers disagree with your interpretation of the contract-in-total, and agree with @Sandisw. I suppose they might be wrong, but it would likely be expensive to find out.

I think where Disney could run into a legal problem, should someone want to take them on, is in their sales pitch. One of their big pitches to us was discounted annual passes as well as things like access to the members lounges including TOW. Did they qualify those things by saying that they could be discontinued? Perhaps but I certainly dont recall that being the case. They do however make a point of ensuring that you see the benefits page on the docusign before you complete the contract. That may absolve them but at the very least they also sell the "perks" during their spiel, certainly

 

[Sandisw]

I think where Disney could run into a legal problem, should someone want to take them on, is in their sales pitch. One of their big pitches to us was discounted annual passes as well as things like access to the members lounges including TOW. Did they qualify that those things by saying that they could be discontinued? Perhaps but I certainly dont recall that being the case. They do however make a point of ensuring that you see the benefits page on the docusign before you complete the contract. That may absolve them but at the very least they sell the "perks" hard during their spiel, certainly

I was fortunate and never got the hard sell for perks so I don’t think it’s the same for all guides.

But i know it comes up in conversation with many and I that is why they make sure that the document is front and center so you can not buy without seeing it.

I would guess it is also why FL timeshare law gives buyers 10 days from signing to back out to give them time to read everything.

Regardless, I don’t see them not keeping some level of a benefits program in place as it does encourage sales. However, what those will be? Who knows.

 

[eandt]

I was fortunate and never got the hard sell for perks so I don’t think it’s the same for all guides.

But i know it comes up in conversation with many and I that is why they make sure that the document is front and center so you can not buy without seeing it.

I would guess it is also why FL timeshare law gives buyers 10 days from signing to back out to give them time to read everything.

Regardless, I don’t see them not keeping some level of a benefits program in place as it does encourage sales. However, what those will be? Who knows.

I wouldn't call it a hard sell but the perks were definitely a highlight of the pitch. I too don't see any good reason for them to permanately suspend AP's and other benefits without at least substituting something of value in their place to help sales.

 

[Ms.Minnie]

So, no annual passes being offered to DVC at a discount at this time is my takeaway from this...I hope that changes.

I have to say that after our last trip in Jan of this year I'm again seriously thinking of selling my DVC. It was just SO crowded and the wait times for rides are not reasonable to me and I really don't like to have to pay extra to get on a ride. The parks are just not that enjoyable anymore.

 

[jimim]

I do too, and actually it was me that said we needed to upgrade. Didn't feel safe in the water with a 14 footer. So it went from getting a 16' with a tiller to a 17.5 fish and ski with a larger motor, etc. So yes, we all enjoy it.

nice. . . I just bought a new bass boat. hopefully next boat will be for ocean use only. . . I hope. . .

 

[Canadian Tom]

Since there are no Annual Passes, we've decided to not go into the parks during our 3 week stay next month. We're going to treat it just like a resort and go and do other things. So, I guess you could say, Disney is the loser here. If more people did this it might provide an incentive for Disney to offer AP to DVC owners.

 

[DisWeaver]

Since there are no Annual Passes, we've decided to not go into the parks during our 3 week stay next month. We're going to treat it just like a resort and go and do other things. So, I guess you could say, Disney is the loser here. If more people did this it might provide an incentive for Disney to offer AP to DVC owners.

The parks are packed right now. Unfortunately, I don’t think your mini-boycott will lead them to the light.

 

[dismedvc]

I think a whole lot of us DVC Members would be satisfied with an annual pass that would only be good while/if we were staying using points (or via cash booked through MS).

FWIW, I don't think that type of pass would noticeably change demand for park reservations since those of us without an annual pass are buying MYW tickets. (I've assumed the actual reason for the annual pass suspension was capacity control).

I emailed Disney suggesting they consider offering an annual pass that would only be valid when staying on property.

I received a reply from Disney's legal department that they were deleting my original email all copies of my email that might have been forwarded since Disney does not accept unsolicited ideas regarding potential new products. In addition, their reply stated if they independently decide to offer something similar to what I had suggested I would not be entitled to any compensation.

You almost have to laugh at the legal world we live in. (It is not like I sent an unsolicited script for a movie)

 

[Ms.Minnie]

I emailed Disney suggesting they consider offering an annual pass that would only be valid when staying on property.

I received a reply from Disney's legal department that they were deleting my original email all copies of my email that might have been forwarded since Disney does not accept unsolicited ideas regarding potential new products. In addition, their reply stated if they independently decide to offer something similar to what I had suggested I would not be entitled to any compensation.

You almost have to laugh at the legal world we live in. (It is not like I sent an unsolicited script for a movie)

Pretty funny but I guess there are people who would expect some kind of compensation if they did use their idea. Of course, who's to say that the company didn't already have the same idea in the works prior to receiving the unsolicited idea? It's a crazy world we live in today.

 

[dismedvc]

Pretty funny but I guess there are people who would expect some kind of compensation if they did use their idea. Of course, who's to say that the company didn't already have the same idea in the works prior to receiving the unsolicited idea? It's a crazy world we live in today.

I think next time I will email Disney suggesting they consider raising their ticket prices.
Then when they implement my suggestion, I will demand compensation.

 

[Ms.Minnie]

I think next time I will email Disney suggesting they consider raising their ticket prices.
Then when they implement my suggestion, I will demand compensation.

Love it!

 

[Prince John Robin Hood]

I'm curious how many pixie passes they are selling currently. If the lawsuit was scaring Disney I think they would pause that pass too or at least increase the price to discourage its purchase. Midweek availability is brutal this month but they're still selling them. I know a big blockout period is coming but this week has no availability for ticket holders.

Also, does anyone else find it crazy that onsite guests don't have a dedicated park reservation bucket?