Animal Kingdom Lodge, Copper Creek Or Riviera, what to buy?

ChipNdale8887

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I was wondering what you all recommended buying? We've been to all three resorts and stayed at AKV and CCV and visited Riviera. We go to WDW every single year and will be having kids soon and planning on taking them yearly. We love the Theming of AKV and CCV and the skyliner with Riviera seems very convenient. We plan on buying eventually at 2 of the 3 of these DVC properties since they all have longer Expiration dates than the 2042 resorts.

Food choices seem better at AKV and CCV but with Riviera your a short trip to Epcot for food so its kinda not a huge factor plus we get AP's so we can always go to Epcot for food. Point costs are higher at Riviera and seem to go down some next year. We always travel in June and July for Summer Break and plan too with our kids an not take them out of school down the line. Dues seem higher at Riviera but I'm guessing they won't go up for a few years much so they will eventually even out. We will be staying in Studios. Just wondered what everyone's thoughts were. Booking rooms look like it will be easier at AKV also.
 
We have kids who are now 7 and almost 5 but we bought at Riviera because that’s where we want to stay, especially as they get older. Plus it ended up being cheaper per point for us to buy Riviera after incentives than to buy AKL.

The points may be high but our little 200 point contract is enough to get us two weeks in a studio at Riviera plus have extra left to bank for the next use year. I also think it’s likely that all new resorts are going to have higher points values.
 
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June and July is low DVC season due to the heat and higher point requirements, so you shouldn't have a problem booking AKV. Small problem booking CCV due the few studios. 1BR at either CCV or AKV shouldn't be a problem. I dont know about Rivera. A cheaper option would be to buy SSR and use during June and July at AKV and CCV

With that said, have in mind IF you buy AKV or CCV on the resale marked that you CAN'T book Rivera but you can book anything else this is due to the new restrictions. If you buy Rivera resale you can only and I mean ONLY book Rivera due to the same restrictions. If you buy any of them direct there will be no booking restrictions BUT you will pay a higher price.

If you buy Rivera direct have in mind IF you eventually should sell the price most certainly will be a lot less compared to purchase price due to the new buyer only being able to book Rivera.
 
I'm Bay Lake Tower (before Riviera was announced), but Riviera seems like a good choice. Good location, Skyliner is RIGHT there.
Plus, it's so new that it will most likely get more updates in the future.
 

June and July is low DVC season due to the heat and higher point requirements, so you shouldn't have a problem booking AKV. Small problem booking CCV due the few studios. 1BR at either CCV or AKV shouldn't be a problem. I dont know about Rivera. A cheaper option would be to buy SSR and use during June and July at AKV and CCV

With that said, have in mind IF you buy AKV or CCV on the resale marked that you CAN'T book Rivera but you can book anything else this is due to the new restrictions. If you buy Rivera resale you can only and I mean ONLY book Rivera due to the same restrictions. If you buy any of them direct there will be no booking restrictions BUT you will pay a higher price.

If you buy Rivera direct have in mind IF you eventually should sell the price most certainly will be a lot less compared to purchase price due to the new buyer only being able to book Rivera.
Yeah that's what I'm reading. I think we are going to buy our first contract direct to get member benefits and ability to stay at all resorts with those points then add on resale.
 
Yeah that's what I'm reading. I think we are going to buy our first contract direct to get member benefits and ability to stay at all resorts with those points then add on resale.

I would then recommend that you buy any of the resorts except for Rivera due to the restrictions. That way you get to keep some resale value should you need to sell.

Also to get perks you need to buy a minimum of 100 points direct.

Another thing most buy direct due to the discount on the annual pass, but that requires you to go minimum twice with 12 months as a AP otherwise wouldn't make sense. If an AP does not make sense, then buying direct might not make sense either.
 
If you are going direct and like all 3, my vote would be wither AKV or RIV due to the cost as you will pay a lot more for CCV. Given the difficulty with studios...though summer isn’t as difficult..I’m not sure it’s worth the price difference,

Both AKV and RIV have different level of studios so lots of choices. In terms of resale value, any resort bought direct is going to give you a pretty big loss if you had to sell. Right now, AKV is, I believe, $186 and resale is around $103 average...so a loss of $80. RIVs loss may or may not be that big right awa because we just don’t know.

Personally, I don’t think resale value should play a huge role if you like the resort, I will say we don’t know that the MFs at RIV will even out so keep that in mind,

I bought RIV because we felt that it was a great choice for going to Epcot and HS, especially during the festivals there!

Remember, you only need 100 points direct to qualify for the discounts and blue card so one option is to buy the minimum and then buy the rest on resale, While those points can be used for new resorts, you can use the direct points, especially with banking and borrowing, when you want to stay at any of those resorts.

Good luck!
 
If you are planning to buy two out of the three resorts: AKL, RIV, CCV at some point in the future. I would buy at AKL first. CCV has a studio problem (can be hard to book even at 11 months), Riv has resale restrictions.

If you buy AKL first you will have more time and experience in deciding if those other resorts would fit your future needs.

Resale for AKL would be the way to go!
 
I agree, start with AKL resale first since it doesn't have the studio problems or restrictions then spend some time thinking more about the other two and see how the resale restrictions shake out in the next couple of years as far as affecting value. If you like the decor at CCV and aren't bothered by resale restrictions, maybe Reflections will be a good fit for you.
 
It depends if you’re looking at strictly staying in studios. We own at both ccv and riv. We love the theming at ccv. We don’t care too much for the monorail resorts but that’s purely personal preference. We enjoy the boat rides to mk. We purchased enough points to have the flexibility to stay at either studios, one bedroom or two bedroom (225 points). We are a family of four so with two kids we anticipate staying in one bedroom or two bedroom when the children are older. I’ve not stayed at ccv studio rooms yet only the one bedroom on our first welcome stay last December and loved it! If you are considering ccv perhaps purchase it resale since the pp is cheaper than direct although Disney doses have some incentives for ccv now but not sure if it’s worth the extra cost. It also depends on how you value your points or if you find it of importance that you want all your points to have the flexibility of staying at the new resorts from riviera onwards (resale points are not applicable for stays from riviera onwards). We also added on at riviera last December because we wanted an epcot/hs resorts and love the skyliner and the room layout with 4 of us we added on enough for studios and up to one bedroom standard if we bank and borrow we can go up to two bedroom. We have not stayed at AKL yet but will be for the first time in less than two weeks in a studio savanna view. This will be our first time staying in a studio we have been spoiled staying in a one bedroom. So hopefully it will be ok. I’m keeping an open mind as I’ve read folks dread the buses and all so will see. I know there are folks out there that may have a diff opinion and would advocate to buy resale only. That’s purely up to you and what fits for you and your family financially home resort choices and buying direct or resale makes sense. We have two resorts we purchased directly (ccv and riv) and gcv (resale).
 
We bounced between AKL and RIV. We were staying at animal Kingdom Lodge a few weeks ago- On our check-in day, we went right to the DVC desk, and got on a tour immediately.
Our minds were set In buying AKL as soon as we got there and saw it. When we left for the tour at Riviera, we immediately signed 100 point contract home resort Riviera. Riviera is gorgeous, transportation cannot be beat as it has direct access to two parks, as well as the boardwalk area- all less than eight minutes skyline ride. Animal Kingdom Lodge had transportation issues when we’re there. We had to take Uber‘s two times because buses were not coming quick enough. That was our deciding factor. Would not recommend AKL due to the transportation- resort itself is gorgeous
Dues for riviera are CURRENTLY 150$ more per year compared to AKL- purchase price is equal (direct). AKL Dues will increase over the next few years, while Riviera dues will stay about the same.

do not buy DVC to make money when you sell- buy because you can save a bit of money on accommodations over the years.... resale restrictions didn’t matter to us.
BUY RIV- you will not regret it
 
So I would be wary of RIV. The problem I think that will arise is a few years down the road when resale starts kicking in. Anyone that buys RIV resale is going to only have RIV as an option to stay. That is going to greatly block up their rooms IMO and booking there will be extremely hard.....even at 11 months.

The other thing I would ask yourself is why buy direct? If you are only visiting once a year, AP's will do nothing for you. Moonlight Magic will not be a factor as well. We have been going to Disney for years and we both kick ourselves for not giving DVC a chance a long time ago when it was cheaper but we finally looked into it and bought resale. We saved $10,000 buying resale verses direct! We go once a year so AP's and Moonlight Magic have no relevance to us. The only thing that stings a little bit is not having access to the EPCOT lounge but due to overcrowding in the parks, we have stuck with our "no more than 3 parks" in a trip rule so it's not like we are even in EPCOT every visit and our kids would rather run around doing Agent P then sitting in a lounge. As resale owners we can pool hop, go to Top of the World Lounge, rent DVD's, use community rooms, have the same booking windows, etc. If I lived closer and we went more often then the AP discount and Moonlight Magic events would be a bigger draw but at this time they were not worth $10,000. Even at Disney $10,000 can buy you a lot of treats! Also, don't forget member benefits can be removed at any time.

Now if you want to buy RIV because you want to keep the option of staying at all current and future DVC resorts, I get that. Remember though, only the points you buy direct can be used at RIV and future resorts! Just because you have a Blue does not mean any points other you buy at resale are immune to the rules.

IMO, if you want to stay at CC and AKV, then I would buy resale at CC. AKV has plenty of inventory to get rooms at 7months as long as you are not looking to get value or concierge. CC gets booked quickly and having that 11 month window advantage is critical to book there. If you want to stay at RIV, then rent your points out (CC points would rent very quickly) and then rent points from someone who owns or has the ability to rent at RIV.
 
We have kids who are now 7 and almost 5 but we bought at Riviera because that’s where we want to stay, especially as they get older. Plus it ended up being cheaper per point for us to buy Riviera after incentives than to buy AKL.

The points may be high but our little 200 point contract is enough to get us two weeks in a studio at Riviera plus have extra left to bank for the next use year. I also think it’s likely that all new resorts are going to have higher points values.
The cheapest season at RIV a STD studio is 109 points. That’s 7 nights. If you stay 6 nights it’s 92 or 94 points, I assume your doing 6 nights to have extra points to bank. Same season at AKV in std studio is 81 points for 7 nights, 68 or 70 for 6 nights. Your buy in for AKV would be cheaper because you would need less points to stay. RIV uses 24 more points per 6 night stay than AKV. I’m not attempting to talk you out of your RIV contract, but if your buying AKV you can buy fewer points for the same length stay. RIV is new and shiny. It’s a nice resort, but it is point hungry. Be prepared to book at 11 months to get standard studio rooms there too.
 
The cheapest season at RIV a STD studio is 109 points. That’s 7 nights. If you stay 6 nights it’s 92 or 94 points, I assume your doing 6 nights to have extra points to bank. Same season at AKV in std studio is 81 points for 7 nights, 68 or 70 for 6 nights. Your buy in for AKV would be cheaper because you would need less points to stay. RIV uses 24 more points per 6 night stay than AKV. I’m not attempting to talk you out of your RIV contract, but if your buying AKV you can buy fewer points for the same length stay. RIV is new and shiny. It’s a nice resort, but it is point hungry. Be prepared to book at 11 months to get standard studio rooms there too.
Oh I know it is point hungry. Yes, 6 nights because we travel for 5-7 days at a time when we head to Disney.

We bought 200 back in December and it ended up being a cheaper cost per point than AKV. We really only planned to use it for 4-5 nights every use year. We’ve been able to book standard studios so far with no issues; l’m sure it will change as time goes on and that’s okay.
 
The cheapest season at RIV a STD studio is 109 points. That’s 7 nights. If you stay 6 nights it’s 92 or 94 points, I assume your doing 6 nights to have extra points to bank. Same season at AKV in std studio is 81 points for 7 nights, 68 or 70 for 6 nights. Your buy in for AKV would be cheaper because you would need less points to stay. RIV uses 24 more points per 6 night stay than AKV. I’m not attempting to talk you out of your RIV contract, but if your buying AKV you can buy fewer points for the same length stay. RIV is new and shiny. It’s a nice resort, but it is point hungry. Be prepared to book at 11 months to get standard studio rooms there too.

All very good points. People need to go in understanding the differences, Not all resorts are equal in terms of what people want though,

Yes, 4 points a night can add up, so you have to go in deciding I’d the resort is worth it,

I too have not yet had an issue with the SV rooms but down the road, if I do, I have enough SSR points that are qualified that will allow me to upgrade to PV or 1 bedrooms.

But, if one likes AKV as much , then points will go farther there
 
Dues seem higher at Riviera but I'm guessing they won't go up for a few years much so they will eventually even out

This is a bad assumption, and without historic precedent. The rate increases for dues are published every year.

I wouldn't touch RIV, with the resale restrictions. No one knows what will happen to these on the resale market, and you don't want to be stuck holding the very expensive bag. I might consider resale RIV, when this pops up in a few years.
 
So I would be wary of RIV. The problem I think that will arise is a few years down the road when resale starts kicking in. Anyone that buys RIV resale is going to only have RIV as an option to stay. That is going to greatly block up their rooms IMO and booking there will be extremely hard.....even at 11 months.

The other thing I would ask yourself is why buy direct? If you are only visiting once a year, AP's will do nothing for you. Moonlight Magic will not be a factor as well. We have been going to Disney for years and we both kick ourselves for not giving DVC a chance a long time ago when it was cheaper but we finally looked into it and bought resale. We saved $10,000 buying resale verses direct! We go once a year so AP's and Moonlight Magic have no relevance to us. The only thing that stings a little bit is not having access to the EPCOT lounge but due to overcrowding in the parks, we have stuck with our "no more than 3 parks" in a trip rule so it's not like we are even in EPCOT every visit and our kids would rather run around doing Agent P then sitting in a lounge. As resale owners we can pool hop, go to Top of the World Lounge, rent DVD's, use community rooms, have the same booking windows, etc. If I lived closer and we went more often then the AP discount and Moonlight Magic events would be a bigger draw but at this time they were not worth $10,000. Even at Disney $10,000 can buy you a lot of treats! Also, don't forget member benefits can be removed at any time.

Now if you want to buy RIV because you want to keep the option of staying at all current and future DVC resorts, I get that. Remember though, only the points you buy direct can be used at RIV and future resorts! Just because you have a Blue does not mean any points other you buy at resale are immune to the rules.

IMO, if you want to stay at CC and AKV, then I would buy resale at CC. AKV has plenty of inventory to get rooms at 7months as long as you are not looking to get value or concierge. CC gets booked quickly and having that 11 month window advantage is critical to book there. If you want to stay at RIV, then rent your points out (CC points would rent very quickly) and then rent points from someone who owns or has the ability to rent at RIV.
Pretty much my feelings, too. Justadreamaway makes excellent points. To reiterate and expand a little, RIV is shiny and brand new, but that will fade as it does with all resorts.
- Having the Skyliner is a big draw to be sure; however, the point costs are high, as in the VGF range, so your purchase won't stretch as far.
- As others have pointed out, the dues at RIV won't necessarily rise slowly--that's a risky assumption.
- Buying RIV means that should you have to sell down the road (no one thinks they will but many do), the interested resale buyer will have to understand that he/she can ONLY book RIV going forward, and that would scare me as a potential seller. The legacy 14 resales allow you to book ALL of them except RIV. 14 > 1.
- Buying resale, say AKV, means you don't have all the perks allotted to DVC owners, but as pointed out by justadreamaway, you'll save thousands of dollars going resale, and it would literally takes dozens of years to make up that cost difference, if it's ever made up at all. Meanwhile, any perk given to members can be taken away at a moment's notice. The only thing you are buying when you purchase DVC is the ability to offset future accommodation costs, period. All else is gravy.
- Booking: CCV studios are difficult to get, even at 11 months, but they're almost impossible many times of the year at 7 months. (Disney sold a tremendous amount of points based on the cabins which few can actually afford, so the studios then become the go-to reservation.) There is no prettier place than WL during the holidays, so with CCV, you can actually have a chance at booking a studio--there is no chance at 7 months. RIV is new, so booking patterns currently are indiscernible; with such high points needed for a stay there, I'm hazarding a guess that it will be a tough get for a studio down the road. AKV has some of the better booking availability in all of DVC. That being said, the downside for many is the "remote" location. Sure, it can have transportation issues--so do all the resorts at times. If you drive, which we do, it's not an issue. AKV is also one of the best-themed resorts; RIV is pretty and shiny, but well-themed it is not.
- Buying DVC is very personal, and in the end, the mantra most people swear by is "buy where you want to stay." Why? Because if that's the resort you're "stuck" with if nothing anywhere else is available at 7 months, then you'll be happy. So, I'd figure out which resort feels most like home to you, and then make the case to buy there.

Good hunting!
 








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