...and she doesn't even know I exist - UPDATE PAGE 9

I'm so sorry Josh! I have not yet posted to this thread but I have been following it and I so wanted a happier ending for you but I have to agree with the others. She sure doesn't sound like the kind of girl that would make you happy. I know that doesn't lessen the pain of being rejected by someone but in the long run you will realize that it was for the best - especially when you meet someone who will really appreciate you.
 
Okay, here's the real question on everybody's mind: What kind of tip did you leave?

Seriously -- I'm really sorry things didn't work out. Don't give up hope on finding your princess. She may already be in your life but you just haven't realized it yet. :grouphug:
 
Ok, I've only read the first page, so if this advice has been given or events have progressed, then disregard (but the other guys can use this advice)

First off, never ever hit on a woman that works at a restuarant or bar, at least not right off the bat. They get hit on ALL the time. Heck, I'm a guy & I usually get 2 or 3 customers a week that leave their numbers, (granted I'm a bartender now, so that's a big factor in the appeal) so you can only imagine how many times a shift Ginny has had random guys ask for her number or a date. It's a safe bet that the large majority get shot down too.

Secondly tip pretty generously, or at least decently, especially if she's waiting on you. Even if she's not your waitress, the staff talks to each other about customers. If you leave a 10% for your server, they'll let her know, especially if they see you hitting on her. I've deep-sixed more than a few cheapskates by letting the object of their affection know how they are with money &/or how they treat waiters.

Come in a few times during non-busy hours. Trying to work your magic on a woman who is knee deep in the weeds on a Saturday night is a recipe for futility. However stopping in for a few drinks on a Tuesday around 4 will give you the opprotunity to talk to her. Flirt, but don't come on to her. Also joking around with her work friends helps too.

Find out where the crew (not her specifically, but the gang) goes after work (a good guess is it's a Fridays or Bennigans). You can do this under the guise of looking for a place with good drink specials, or "a cool place to have some drinks". If she invites you to go with them then you're good to go. If she doesn't, don't worry, a few nights later show up at the hangout with a few friends.

When she shows up, give her a little time to unwind before approaching her. Say hi & offer to buy her a drink (adhere to the rule: never buy a woman more than one drink unless you're on a date with her). Offering to do shots is a good way to isolate you & her from her friends. If you want I can give you a shot recipe that she's guarenteed to love, so if she's not sure what she wants to drink, you're not at a loss. If you're worried that she doesn't drink, it's a safe bet that if she works in a restuarant, she drinks. Even if she doesn't (5% chance, if that) she probably still hangs out after work.

Once you get to talking to her (outside of work & relaxed), let the normal flow of conversation go...

Good luck.
 
So sorry that it came to such a disappointing end.

On the plus side at least you had the courage to find out. If you didn't you would always be thinking "what if".

Sending you :grouphug: that you feel better soon.
 

Josh, I'm sorry. Apparently with all her good points comes a few bad. You should feel very good that you had the courage to do all you did. Next time, hopefully, it may not turn out so badly.

I think your friends should have stayed out of it, and I really think your friend should not have mentioned the entire conversation. It wasn't nice.

But hey, you did it. You did something you were terrified of doing. And you did it well. This was just practice. :)
 
:grouphug: Sorry Josh!! :grouphug: It took a lot of courage to talk to her, and you handled it wonderfully. I think your friends were only trying to help you out. I agree that beauty is only skin deep, and that she handled it all wrong. I also agree that you seem like a great guy with a lot to offer a woman...(manners, for one) you WILL find your disney princess, sometimes when you least expect it!
 
Congrats on the gumption to actually do something JJ. You sound a lot like my son. He asked a young lady out and she turned him down saying she was leaving to go on a Buddhist retreat!!! There is someone out there for you. You'll see. Hugs sweetie!!
 
Oh I'm sorry it didn't work out but you sound so brave for trying. I admire that alot!
 
I just wanted to add, Jeff in Big D had some really good advice on the last page. It is always best, for future reference, to try and find a way to 'run into' the object of your interest outside of the workplace if at all possible.

The problem with the workplace is that you never really know if the interest is personally aimed at you or just professional courtesy, unless they are really obviously flirtatious. Lots of room for miscommunication.

They are in an awkward position because they cannot easily get away from you without snubbing you. After all, you are a customer. Also, if they are not interested, it's sometimes hard to get the point across without coming across as ignorant or unprofessional.

They are sort of taken off guard (not feeling all that pretty when you are working, especially waiting tables). You, on the other hand, have taken the time to primp and polish. If you see the person outside of work, especially somewhere she has gone to hang out (as jeff in big D suggested), she will feel like she is in a better position and be in a more receptive mood. When she is working, she has a thousand things on her mind. Outside of work, you have a better chance of getting her full attention.


And lastly, Jeff is right, waitresses get hit on all of the time. I was, even when I was married (I always wore my rings, but somehow they overlooked that). If you can find a way to see her outside of work and you have upped your odds significantly.

Just thought I would add some tips, from a former waitress and long-time woman ;).
 
Ok, so I read all 10 pages...

First off, props for going for it.
But it's a bad, bad, BAD idea to have a woman as your "wingman". Her taking it upon herself to "sell you" made it look like you didn't have the cajones to ask her out yourself. She said you were available & I'm sure she mentioned that you're a "sweet" guy (as if she'd be doing charity by dating you), which pretty much left you high & dry. You might have been better off if she had told her that you were gay, then that way you'd have some bit of "unattainability". Please don't be mad at your friend though as I'm sure she had your best interest at heart, but again, women are bad "wingmen".

Ok, so this girl doesn't think you're her type. Oh well, there's a bunch more that will think you are. You have to look at it this way - you're "the prize", not her. It's that mindset that will interest her, not that you're not worthy of her.

As far as your weight being an issue, it will be to some people. I'm a bigger guy myself. While I wouldn't mind being slimmer, in a way I like it because it lets me know exactly what kind of person I'm dealing with if they disregard me because of my size. If someone is going to hold that against you, then they're not worth your time. You'd be amazed how many quality girls will look past that if you carry the confidence that you're the man.
 
She said you were available & I'm sure she mentioned that you're a "sweet" guy (as if she'd be doing charity by dating you), which pretty much left you high & dry. You might have been better off if she had told her that you were gay, then that way you'd have some bit of "unattainability".
ROFLMao!!! So true...
 
poohandwendy said:
Just thought I would add some tips, from a former waitress and long-time woman ;).
Listen to poohandwendy. Much does she know.

(and apparently I managed to learn a few things during my time on this planet) :earseek:

Note to self: get that "So you've turned 21, dude" guide book published...
 
Jeff in BigD said:
If I had a penny for every girl that tried to set me up with a friend telling her how "nice" I was... :smooth:
LOL, no doubt 'nice' and 'sweet' are the kiss of death in womanspeak. Most women think that means there is nothing more interesting to add than the obvious requirements. I mean who isn't nice or sweet? Nice and sweet should be a given, tell me what sets him apart from the average...

Women who say it mean well but usually have met so many jerks that they think it should be considered an asset.
Note to self: get that "So you've turned 21, dude" guide book published...
Yeah, you should profit on your knowledge...
 
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

I do have to say that this is Ginny's loss. Evidentally in her case, beauty is truly just skin deep.

:hug:
 
Her loss, bud! But good for you for going, at least now you never have to wonder "what if" since it obviously wasn't meant to be!
 
Josh, I'm so sorry. Don't let this keep you from following your heart in the future though. There is a happily ever after out there (of course take some time to play as well, lol). :hug:
 
Sorry
I had been eagerly waiting for oyur update
as they say there are plently of fish in the sea
good luck next time :wave:
 
:grouphug: Ah, so sorry it didn't work out Josh! But at least now you know where you stand AND you know that you have the courage to do something the scares you. And I'll echo the others - if your weight was enough to turn her off without getting to know the real you, then she wasn't worth it.

If you were a woman, I'd say "eat some chocolate" but since you're a guy, go cry in your beer, take some time to regroup, then get out there - Ms. Right is out there somewhere waiting for you!
 
Jungle Skipper said:
Her response....according to Carl.....she shrugged it off and said something along the lines of "Oh, well, he's defiantely...not my type...." Carl says she made reference to my weight and he quickly made note that he and Amandahad been dating for a while...and a tried the subject. Then she left.

Her loss, Josh. Any normal woman would be thrilled to be with a guy like you. I know it's probably not what you want to hear but the fact that she even referenced your weight makes me think she's probably quite shallow. :guilty:

And you, my dear, are a prince and you deserve someone better than shallow.

:hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

If you need to talk, PM me or IM me, ok?

:grouphug:

Sheri
 


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