Amanda Knox movie

[rie'smom]

Thank God our media is above convicting anyone in the press and our juries are above allowing that media to influence them.



Yeah, but that is assuming that our investigators would have mishandled the evidence. Since the chain of custody is more important in our system it is very likely that the evidence would have been handled more carefully and not lost in the first place. Therefore it would have been admissible. I mean if we are going to hypothetically change the jurisdiction of the trial (and by extension the location of the crime) we can also hypothetically change the handling of the evidence.

Besides, people here are convicted purely on circumstantial evidence on occasion.

A poster wondered if Knox would have been found guilty in the US I was assuming that all things were equal. The chain of command broke down because the police in the Knox case found evidence, lost it, and then found it again weeks later at the crime scene after people had been in and out of the apartment. Anyone could have planted something. Dis they in fact find the same evidence? The appeals judge said there was reasonable doubt just a judge here would.

 

[CandyMandy]

I don't see that her looks have anything to do with it. Really, you think that those who think she is not guilty are basing it on her 'good' looks, as you put it. To be perfectly honest, I think she's pretty average looking.

The press jumped all over this debacle from the get-go because it had all the classic elements of a tabloid potboiler: murder, mystery and a cast of randy characters including an attractive "wild girl." Did that influence the trial outcome? Who knows - but it certainly drove the drama.

 

[ols386]

Yes, I have.



You requested a link to the judgment and got it. If you aren't even willing to go through it on your own, then you must not have a particularly burning desire to figure what is or isn't covered in it.

If you read the 300 and some pages, then you would know where all of the evidence was noted in the report, and you would be able to highlight it. And no, I can't say that I have a 'burning' desire. Not enough to sit here and read 387 pages of a translation of the report.

I just think you would like nothing more than to see her spend the rest of her life in jail, whether she's innocent or guilty.

 

[ols386]

Thank God our media is above convicting anyone in the press and our juries are above allowing that media to influence them.

I presume you are being sarcastic with your statement. I think the Italian media went WAY over the top with the reporting they did concerning her, possibly because she is an American, and a foreigner in their country. That's why I made the statement.

 

[ols386]

The press jumped all over this debacle from the get-go because it had all the classic elements of a tabloid potboiler: murder, mystery and a cast of randy characters including an attractive "wild girl." Did that influence the trial outcome? Who knows - but it certainly drove the drama.

Maybe you see her as attractive, but I see her as average. I would agree that the whole story did/does seem very dramatic and would attract much media attention. I think the fact that she is an American also played a part in it, in a negative manner.

 

[The Orchid]

I met that girl many years ago. I had gone to Seattle to get some foreign language material that wasn't available in Bellingham. I was planning a trip to Denmark and was trying to learn the language. After I purchased my stuff, I took it to a coffee shop so I could look over it before heading back home. She saw my materials on the table and started talking to me. She was very, very nice and enthusiastic and high energy. She told me that she planned to go to Italy to study language and she asked me asked me why I wanted to go to Denmark. She also suggested some famous places to visit while there. She was breathlessly excited when talking about her plans to go to Italy and suggested I go there as well because I am half Italian. She and I talked about Europe and learning foreign languages for about 25 minutes or so. I'm not sure, but I think she may have worked at that coffee shop. Anyway, she seemed very nice. She talked about how much she was going to miss her family and seemed very distressed about missing milestones of younger family members. She seemed like a typical American kid to me, though she was, as I said, very high energy. I used to facilitate a group for ADHD students in college and one of my first impressions of her was that she would have fit in well in that group. She was in motion constantly, even as she sat there chatting with me.

Anyway, I'm just saying, she seemed very nice and very normal to me. I would bet everything I have that she is not guilty. She made some seriously poor judgments, but I think that fear and the lack of a full comprehension of the language made for incredible stress. I have heard that she behaved in a nonchalant manner in the courtroom....but seriously, she was a student of the language, she was not fluent. When I met her, she told me she had a lot to learn still. And even if she had a good handle on the language by then, she certainly wasn't likely to know much about courtroom language which can be hard to understand in your own language, let alone a foreign language. I imagine she was very board sitting there hours on end. I don't know. I think a lot of people are failing to realize she was very young, without her parents, in a foreign country and under stress that most of us can't even comprehend. Bad choices don't equate to murder. I know it happens, and I'm not saying it is impossible. I'm just saying, having chatted with her a little while, it's impossible to wrap my mind around her doing the horrific things she was accused of doing. I can imagine her partying off some of that energy she has...but killing somebody in a brutal rape scene? I seriously, seriously doubt it.

 

[The Orchid]

Maybe you see her as attractive, but I see her as average. I would agree that the whole story did/does seem very dramatic and would attract much media attention. I think the fact that she is an American also played a part in it, in a negative manner.

I honestly thought she was very average as well. Pretty...yes. Stunning...not really. And yes, I also agree that her being an American hurt her a lot. There was a great deal of anti-American sentiment during the Bush years (and no, I'm not starting a political fight, just stating the truth).

 

[CandyMandy]

If you read the 300 and some pages, then you would know where all of the evidence was noted in the report, and you would be able to highlight it. And no, I can't say that I have a 'burning desire. Not enough to sit here and read 387 pages of a translation of the report.

I just think you would like nothing more than to see her spend the rest of her life in jail, whether she's innocent or guilty.

Those of us who aren't playing the role of "second-guessing armchair forensic pathologist" don't hold any obligation to walk those who are through the sources of facts. And a refusal to walk on their own says quite a bit.

And last time we checked, Ms. Knox had just turned 23. In the worst case scenario (all her appeals fail and she ends up serving her full sentence) she will be around 49 when it ends.

The life expectency of a healthy female her age is currently 86 and will likely increase going forward.

 

[ford family]

I presume you are being sarcastic with your statement. I think the Italian media went WAY over the top with the reporting they did concerning her, possibly because she is an American, and a foreigner in their country. That's why I made the statement.

Xenophobia is a terrible thing, isn't it?

ford family

 

[terribm]

I met that girl many years ago. I had gone to Seattle to get some foreign language material that wasn't available in Bellingham. I was planning a trip to Denmark and was trying to learn the language. After I purchased my stuff, I took it to a coffee shop so I could look over it before heading back home. She saw my materials on the table and started talking to me. She was very, very nice and enthusiastic and high energy. She told me that she planned to go to Italy to study language and she asked me asked me why I wanted to go to Denmark. She also suggested some famous places to visit while there. She was breathlessly excited when talking about her plans to go to Italy and suggested I go there as well because I am half Italian. She and I talked about Europe and learning foreign languages for about 25 minutes or so. I'm not sure, but I think she may have worked at that coffee shop. Anyway, she seemed very nice. She talked about how much she was going to miss her family and seemed very distressed about missing milestones of younger family members. She seemed like a typical American kid to me, though she was, as I said, very high energy. I used to facilitate a group for ADHD students in college and one of my first impressions of her was that she would have fit in well in that group. She was in motion constantly, even as she sat there chatting with me.

Anyway, I'm just saying, she seemed very nice and very normal to me. I would bet everything I have that she is not guilty. She made some seriously poor judgments, but I think that fear and the lack of a full comprehension of the language made for incredible stress. I have heard that she behaved in a nonchalant manner in the courtroom....but seriously, she was a student of the language, she was not fluent. When I met her, she told me she had a lot to learn still. And even if she had a good handle on the language by then, she certainly wasn't likely to know much about courtroom language which can be hard to understand in your own language, let alone a foreign language. I imagine she was very board sitting there hours on end. I don't know. I think a lot of people are failing to realize she was very young, without her parents, in a foreign country and under stress that most of us can't even comprehend. Bad choices don't equate to murder. I know it happens, and I'm not saying it is impossible. I'm just saying, having chatted with her a little while, it's impossible to wrap my mind around her doing the horrific things she was accused of doing. I can imagine her partying off some of that energy she has...but killing somebody in a brutal rape scene? I seriously, seriously doubt it.

You can't really be basing your opinion of her guilt or innocence on an impression you have of her from a chance meeting in a coffee shop?

 

[ols386]

Those of us who aren't playing the role of "second-guessing armchair forensic pathologist" don't hold any obligation to walk those who are through the sources of facts. And a refusal to walk on their own says quite a bit.

And last time we checked, Ms. Knox had just turned 23. In the worst case scenario (all her appeals fail and she ends up serving her full sentence) she will be around 49 when it ends.

The life expectency of a healthy female her age is currently 86 and will likely increase going forward.

Just so ya know, I did read the document last night, and the evidence you mentioned was no where in the document.

So, if she is innocent, you are ok with her going to prison until the age of 49?

 

[The Orchid]

You can't really be basing your opinion of her guilt or innocence on an impression you have of her from a chance meeting in a coffee shop?

No, I have also been following the case like most other people on this thread. I read the brutally long court documents and don't see the evidence that the previous poster was referring to. I've watched the videos and I honestly believe that she was convicted based on odd behavior. She was a young girl who expressed her fear in a way that was not acceptable in the country she was in and is now in jail for a long time because of it.

 

[CandyMandy]

Just so ya know, I did read the document last night, and the evidence you mentioned was no where in the document.

As anyone who does actually read the decision knows, the documentation of every piece of evidence I listed is all provided in granular detail. Some examples:

- Page 58: evidence of fabricated break in
- Page 281: forensic analysis of evidence that Amanda washed Meredith's blood off her hands in the apartment bathroom
- Page 316: Incriminiating timing of traffic on Raffaelle's cell phone

And for those interested in the conviction appeal: now that the process has started, many objective observers are projecting possible outcomes. The emerging majority opinion is -- given the evidence and the players involved -- the best Ms. Knox is likely to do is some possible reduction in sentence. No one is giving decent odds on a complete overturn:

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/431257_knox06.html

 

[ols386]

As anyone who does actually read the decision knows, the documentation of every piece of evidence I listed is all provided in granular detail. Some examples:

- Page 58: evidence of fabricated break in
- Page 281: forensic analysis of evidence that Amanda washed Meredith's blood off her hands in the apartment bathroom
- Page 316: Incriminiating timing of traffic on Raffaelle's cell phone

And for those interested in the conviction appeal: now that the process has started, many objective observers are projecting possible outcomes. The emerging majority opinion is -- given the evidence and the players involved -- the best Ms. Knox is likely to do is some possible reduction in sentence. No one is giving decent odds on a complete overturn:

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/431257_knox06.html

Sorry, I don't see it.

 

[CandyMandy]

Sorry, I don't see it.

Anyone who is objective will find the references I provided on the pages indicated.

And the Italian Supreme Court just delivered some very bad news for Team Knox:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/setback-for-knox-appeal-2226091.html