Amanda Knox movie

Actually it's been brought up in several interviews. It's more a case of trying to understand why she is so odd.:rolleyes:

Was it brought up by her parents/family though, or just people speculating? If her parents never mentioned it, it's not very credible.
 
Was it brought up by her parents/family though, or just people speculating? If her parents never mentioned it, it's not very credible.

For the life of me, I don't know who brought it up. There have been squillions of theories regarding her behavior and countless "experts" claiming insight into her. She's weird, odd, in many instances far from a sympathetic character, quirky, and just plain strange a lot of the time. That's why I say she was her own worst enemy in the trial. She didn't "get" that every single second of her actions would be analyzed to death and she often did the exact opposite of what she should have to gain sympathy. But being tactless and thoughtless doesn't mean you killed anyone. Lots of people her age are that way, she's just on the far end of the spectrum. If only the evidence against her added up to anything at all, I'd give some weight to her bizarre behavior.

But then, I used to teach secondary ed and I saw my fair share of bizarre behavior. ;)
 
I heard she was smoking pot...that isn't going to make you kill your roommate.

ANd I am agree with the poster you are questioning... you don't get why she had nothing to do with the murder. Well I don't think she did either. The evidence doesn't add up at all. I think she was railroaded. What is not to get? I don't get why you are so convinced she did do it?? The forensic evidence doesn't say that she or her bf did it.

I agree there is also that mafia man who claims to have knowledge of where exactly the murder weapon is because he buried it for his brother. OH come on people its not like the wrong person has never been convicted or that people's behaviour has been decided to be more important. Google Colin Stagg and see what the press and the police did to him. This girl is inocent and hopefully when she is released they will find the real killer because when you convict for convienience you are allowing a killer to be free to kill again.
 
I agree there is also that mafia man who claims to have knowledge of where exactly the murder weapon is because he buried it for his brother. OH come on people its not like the wrong person has never been convicted or that people's behaviour has been decided to be more important. Google Colin Stagg and see what the press and the police did to him. This girl is inocent and hopefully when she is released they will find the real killer because when you convict for convienience you are allowing a killer to be free to kill again.

Now I'm confused, because isn't someone else in prison for the murder too? Rudy Guede (sp)? Do you think he was wrongly convicted too and there is still another killer walking around free?
 

The "real" killer (Rudy) is in prision (sentenced to 30 years, reduced to 16).

Eh, even if he was the one that plunged the knife in doesn't mean the other two aren't also just as guilty. People can conspire to kill someone and even if only one of the three did the physical act all of them are equally guilty. You and I could decide to kill someone over the web and if I go do the actual act there will be no physical evidence that you were involved even though you are just as guilty as I am.

I don't know if that was the case with this murder or not but I don't think lack of physical evidence at the scene (or the small amount) necessarily exonerates her by itself.
 
Eh, even if he was the one that plunged the knife in doesn't mean the other two aren't guilty too. People can conspire to kill someone and even if only one of the three did the physical act all of them are equally guilty. You and I could decide to kill someone over the web and if I go do the actual act there will be no physical evidence that you were involved even though you are just as guilty as I am.

I don't know if that was the case with this murder or not but I don't think lack of physical evidence at the scene necessarily exonerates her by itself.

The police believe Knox and her boyfriend held the victim down while Guede sexually assaulted her.
 
Since there seem to be so many "Team Knox" posts here, let's offer some alternate viewpoints.

First, a few from people who are more than armchair pundits like all of us:

FBI profiler Clint Van Zandt went over the trial the evidence in detail for NBC in 2008. Van Zandt happens to be a graduate of the FBI's elite National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime (NCAVC) and is widely considered to be on of the most respected experts in the country on rape/ murder cases. He concluded the evidence was damning and correctly predicted the conviction of Knox & Sollecito.

Massachusetts Sex Crimes Prosecutor Wendy Murphy, a nationally recognized expert on interpersonal violence and Professor at New England School of Law, Boston said on CNN that there was a "big pile of evidence against Knox" and is convinced of her guilt. In fact, she feels so strongly about it that in some of her appearances she's endorsed the "True Justice for Meredith Kercher" website.

Then there's the issue of detail: I suspect most here have not read the English translation of the Italian Court's 427 Judgment.

Yes, 427 pages. Not just a memo with a 1 or 2 word "guilty/not guilty" pronouncement.

The attention to detail in the judgment is...staggering. No reasonable person could possibly look at it and conclude the verdict was the result of some sort of backwater, feudal kangaroo court. Nope, sorry - it was an OPEN court, in a democratic G8 nation, in which the defendants were afforded all of the rights they would be entitled to in an American court of law.

In fact, they were even afforded a few 'extras' that have no counterpart in common law countries (for example, the right to make "spontaneous declarations", at any point in the proceedings, without having to face subsequent cross-examination).

And to make an analogy, I strongly suspect the Florida State Attorney's Office can only DREAM of having this much evidence against Casey Anthony:

Confession (to instigation of rape & to presence during murder)
False accusation (on innocent black man)
Shifting alibis
Conflicting alibis
Flat out lies (esp. Raffaele's "accidentally pricked Meredith with knife" bit)
DNA on on of the murder weapons (found in Raffaele's apartment)
DNA on the victim's bloody bra clasp
DNA mixed with victim's blood in 5 separate locations
Womans size 7.5 shoe print in blood (Amanda's size)
LUMINOL revealed foot prints in blood (Amanda's)
Bloody foot print on bat mat (Raffaele's)
LUMINOL revealed blood smears and drops (signs of partial clean up)
3 drops of victim's blood in Amanda's bedroom
Poorly staged 'break-in' (effort to point finger of blame toward someone not residing in the cottage)
Cell tower pings
Suspiciously timed phone calls
Damning computer logs
First hand witness testimony placing the accused at specific locations at specific times
Abuse of street drugs to the point of memory loss
Prior acts (Amanda's Seattle "residential disturbance" arrest record, which involved rock-throwing, Raffaele's record for cocaine possession)

And to close, here's a pithy, salient qoute from another forum by an Italian:

"I'm Italian and live in Italy and let me tell you this. In Italy is almost impossible to end up in jail, no matter how bad what you have done is - you basically must be a total loser without any source of help to end up in jail (and this of course is a very bad aspect of Italian justice). But Amanda Knox was no prior loser and had plenty of help - so if she ended up is in jail it is only because she is very, very, very guilty."
 
The police believe Knox and her boyfriend held the victim down while Guede sexually assaulted her.

If that is the case then yes, they are just as guilty as Guede, even if they didn't know he was going to kill her. I was under the impression that at least here if you kill someone during the commission of another crime (like rape) everyone involved in that other crime is guilty of the murder. Heck, even if the other two left and Guede came back later to kill the roommate so she wouldn't report the rape I think they are still on the hook for murder. Of course this is coming just from what I've read in other cases so I'm not claiming to be an expert. I'd also have to hear from an Italian attorney to know if that is who it works there or not.

Like I said earlier, I neither know nor care if she is guilty or not but I haven't seen any good argument to overturn the verdict and the above scenario would explain a lack of physical evidence easily enough.
 
Since there seem to be so many "Team Knox" posts here, let's offer some alternate viewpoints.

First, a few from people who are more than armchair pundits like all of us:

FBI profiler Clint Van Zandt went over the trial the evidence in detail for NBC in 2008. Van Zandt happens to be a graduate of the FBI's elite National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime (NCAVC) and is widely considered to be on of the most respected experts in the country on rape/ murder cases. He concluded the evidence was damning and correctly predicted the conviction of Knox & Sollecito.

Massachusetts Sex Crimes Prosecutor Wendy Murphy, a nationally recognized expert on interpersonal violence and Professor at New England School of Law, Boston said on CNN that there was a "big pile of evidence against Knox" and is convinced of her guilt. In fact, she feels so strongly about it that in some of her appearances she's endorsed the "True Justice for Meredith Kercher" website.

Then there's the issue of detail: I suspect most here have not read the English translation of the Italian Court's 427 Judgment.

Yes, 427 pages. Not just a memo with a 1 or 2 word "guilty/not guilty" pronouncement.

The attention to detail in the judgment is...staggering. No reasonable person could possibly look at it and conclude the verdict was the result of some sort of backwater, feudal kangaroo court. Nope, sorry - it was an OPEN court, in a democratic G8 nation, in which the defendants were afforded all of the rights they would be entitled to in an American court of law.

In fact, they were even afforded a few 'extras' that have no counterpart in common law countries (for example, the right to make "spontaneous declarations", at any point in the proceedings, without having to face subsequent cross-examination).

And to make an analogy, I strongly suspect the Florida State Attorney's Office can only DREAM of having this much evidence against Casey Anthony:

Confession (to instigation of rape & to presence during murder)
False accusation (on innocent black man)
Shifting alibis
Conflicting alibis
Flat out lies (esp. Raffaele's "accidentally pricked Meredith with knife" bit)
DNA on on of the murder weapons (found in Raffaele's apartment)
DNA on the victim's bloody bra clasp
DNA mixed with victim's blood in 5 separate locations
Womans size 7.5 shoe print in blood (Amanda's size)
LUMINOL revealed foot prints in blood (Amanda's)
Bloody foot print on bat mat (Raffaele's)
LUMINOL revealed blood smears and drops (signs of partial clean up)
3 drops of victim's blood in Amanda's bedroom
Poorly staged 'break-in' (effort to point finger of blame toward someone not residing in the cottage)
Cell tower pings
Suspiciously timed phone calls
Damning computer logs
First hand witness testimony placing the accused at specific locations at specific times
Abuse of street drugs to the point of memory loss
Prior acts (Amanda's Seattle "residential disturbance" arrest record, which involved rock-throwing, Raffaele's record for cocaine possession)

And to close, here's a pithy, salient qoute from another forum by an Italian:

"I'm Italian and live in Italy and let me tell you this. In Italy is almost impossible to end up in jail, no matter how bad what you have done is - you basically must be a total loser without any source of help to end up in jail (and this of course is a very bad aspect of Italian justice). But Amanda Knox was no prior loser and had plenty of help - so if she ended up is in jail it is only because she is very, very, very guilty."

Do you have any links or sources to confirm all of this information, or is this info that you've heard on news casts, interviews, etc.?
 
Do you have any links or sources to confirm all of this information, or is this info that you've heard on news casts, interviews, etc.?

O.K., lets start with this, the full English translation of the trial judgment (warning, BIG pdf. file). Contains documentation of all the evidence I listed in prior post:

http://www.westseattleherald.com/sites/robinsonpapers.com/files/attachments/MasseiReportEnglishTranslation.pdf

Background on Sex Crimes Prosecutor Wendy Murphy:

http://andjusticeforsome.blogspot.com/2009/08/wendy-murphys-bio.html

And here's the women's slammer in Capanne, Italy (near Perugia):

15492710.jpg
 
Do you have any links or sources to confirm all of this information, or is this info that you've heard on news casts, interviews, etc.?

I am at the conclusion that we could have videotape of Knox participating in the murder and some people still won't believe it. I seriously wonder if her good looks are effecting people's judgements.
 
I wonder what the out come would be if she was tried in the US.

Just thinking out loud.
 
I wonder what the out come would be if she was tried in the US.

Just thinking out loud.

My guess is it would be the same verdict. The only difference would be that her parents couldn't claim interference and prejudice by a foreign legal system.
 
O.K., lets start with this, the full English translation of the trial judgment (warning, BIG pdf. file). Contains documentation of all the evidence I listed in prior post:

http://www.westseattleherald.com/sites/robinsonpapers.com/files/attachments/MasseiReportEnglishTranslation.pdf

Background on Sex Crimes Prosecutor Wendy Murphy:

http://andjusticeforsome.blogspot.com/2009/08/wendy-murphys-bio.html

And here's the women's slammer in Capanne, Italy (near Perugia):

15492710.jpg


Are you saying that you're read through the 397 pages of the document? If so, how 'bout you go through the 397 page document and highlight all of the evidence that you listed in your earlier post?
 
I am at the conclusion that we could have videotape of Knox participating in the murder and some people still won't believe it. I seriously wonder if her good looks are effecting people's judgements.

I don't see that her looks have anything to do with it. Really, you think that those who think she is not guilty are basing it on her 'good' looks, as you put it. To be perfectly honest, I think she's pretty average looking.
 
My guess is it would be the same verdict. The only difference would be that her parents couldn't claim interference and prejudice by a foreign legal system.

In the U.S., a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

In Italy, the media already had her convicted long before the trial.
 
My guess is it would be the same verdict. The only difference would be that her parents couldn't claim interference and prejudice by a foreign legal system.

I disagree. The police found evidence, lost it, and then found it again weeks later. A US judge would say it is inadmissible because the chain of custody was disrupted. When the police are not careful with evidence, it taints all of their evidence. No evidence = no case
 
In Italy, the media already had her convicted long before the trial.

Thank God our media is above convicting anyone in the press and our juries are above allowing that media to influence them.

I disagree. The police found evidence, lost it, and then found it again weeks later. A US judge would say it is inadmissible because the chain of custody was disrupted. When the police are not careful with evidence, it taints all of their evidence. No evidence = no case

Yeah, but that is assuming that our investigators would have mishandled the evidence. Since the chain of custody is more important in our system it is very likely that the evidence would have been handled more carefully and not lost in the first place. Therefore it would have been admissible. I mean if we are going to hypothetically change the jurisdiction of the trial (and by extension the location of the crime) we can also hypothetically change the handling of the evidence.

Besides, people here are convicted purely on circumstantial evidence on occasion.
 
Are you saying that you're read through the 397 pages of the document?

Yes, I have.

how 'bout you go through the 397 page document and highlight all of the evidence that you listed in your earlier post?

You requested a link to the judgment and got it. If you aren't even willing to go through it on your own, then you must not have a particularly burning desire to figure what is or isn't covered in it. ;)
 












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