All resort non-smoking

[pilferk]

The vast majority of people would prefer a non-smoking room. Smoking is, as you pointed out, a health risk. By Disney going to a non-smoking policy and tightening is restrictions on where smoking will be allowed, the business ($s) will follow. Conusmers want these changes, Disney recognizes it, and this will lead to greater consumer demand, which would create more profit.

As the news release stated the request for smoking rooms has been the decline for a number of years. It would make sense for the Mouse to convert these rooms to non-smoking so they could be filled.

P.S. And the only thing obtuse around here is my figure.

In addition, refurb and maintenance costs will likely decrease, too. Smoking does not only cause odor, but "residue" on linens, windows, carpets, walls, etc. Since smoking rooms are exposed, long term, to smoke, those rooms tend to be more expensive to refurb, and require more frequent "repair".

 

[Connor' Dad]

Agreed. Two sides of the same coin. IMO, the trend to protecting health against tobacco smoke is causing the increased demand to which you refer. So, perhaps your assessment of Disney's motive is correct, although my personal stake in this as a DVC owner is of course, my health and my wallet (maintenance fees not being used to clean up rooms that are damaged over the long term by tobacco smoke).

I am on the same boat. One less request and a positive affect on my MFs.

 

[erikthewise]

Let me be the bearer of bad news! For the record I am not now nor never have been a smoker, but i am sympathetic to their diminishing rights, this is America of course!

We stayed at SSR 4/15-4/21 and obviously the rooms are non smoking as well as the stated areas above. The room next to us, they were smokers. Not only did they smoke on the balcony, they smoked in the room as well and a little known fact is that some of the vents are connected causing my room to have smoke in it as well. I called MS and was told that they can not police everyone all the time and that violations will happen. A couple of things!

Wet towels under the (connecting) door and peanut butter in the vents. Peanut butter will happen.

 

[jarestel]

There maybe other aspects to this.

1- The "good guest" (or member) who never smoked in a non-smoking room, or who put consideration of other guests on ajourning balconies ahead of their own desires and didn't smoke on a balcony or patio when someone was nearby; may elect to stay or own elsewhere.

2- The "not so good guest" (or member) without threat of lost of title (if owner) or $1000 plus fine and eviction (if paying guest) will basically go on as they have been. Thus giving TWDC 'bragging rights' to upholding 'industry standards'.

If such enforcement is carried out how long would it be before the first broadcasts show the crying 5 yr old daughter of the family who DVC reclaimed their contract "Daddy said Mickey won't let me visit anymore because at 2:30 AM daddy smoked a cigar on the patio!"

Or, possibly, again while being able to thump it's corporate chest and shout "we're on-board" with the current social mania - perhaps it's just policy to give TWDC the ability to take action in the event of a problem guest/member?

Imagine the phone rings at the front desk - 'this is room 101, the people in room 102 just smoked a cigarette on their patio - I saw them thru my window! I demand action!'....The front desk pushes a pre-recorded phone message to room 102 'cease and desist!' - the problem arises when the person in 102 saw the person in 101 reporting them - after a few drinks either party to that could act in a very un-disney way towards the other.

I think the most likely outcome of all this is that it gives cover for Disney, if needed, to responsed to complaints, contact the "offender" and remind them of the policy - oh, and also to tack on an additional charge. I would also predict that some members/guests upon check in may very well say 'how much is the fee? I'll pay it now'.

I thought I read somewhere (may have been in the announcement on the DVC site before it went away) that only 3.5% of rooms at WDW were smoking rooms anyway. So this new policy isn't exactly affecting hordes of guests anyway.

As with all things Disney, you will still have the people who will do as they please regardless of the stated policy. Disney will need to decide how best to deal with these folks (if they deal with them at all). But I imagine it won't take long for threads to appear here either roasting Disney for "smoking" charges or boasting that Disney doesn't really care whether one smokes or not. Time will tell.

 

[Budshark]

This will not stop smokers from smoking in rooms... think about it

As WDW decreased the amount of smoking rooms availible the amount of people complaining that someone smoked in their non-smoking room went UP.

Hmmm... maybe it did go Up - but this move makes it easier. In the past Disney had to determine was it someone on a balcony, in a hall, connected vents, the floor below, or a violator. Now its easy (as someone else pointed out). No smoking. If you smell smoke there is only two logical explanations: 1) The building is on fire or 2) There is someone violating the policy. It may be hard at first - but I'm sure it'll get straightened out in short order.

However - as my wife pointed out (and I said in the closed thread) - what happens on June 1st? I doubt the smoking rooms will be renovated - so now people who request "Non-smoking" will be told they are all non-smoking only to be put in a room that for the last 15+ years has been a smoking room and will smell and behave just like one. Yuck...

Chris

 

[Connor' Dad]

Just curious, do you know of anyone who wanted to visit WDW, and stay on property, but decided not to because this policy was not in place ?

No I do not know of anyone, but I think that we could all agree that this change would make on-site resorts more attractive to many people and that the numbers of those that would prefer a similar policy will only increase in the future. I am sure that Disney would prefer to be on the vanguard of these type of buisness decisions as opposed to one of the stragglers as it would affect it's corporate image.

 

[DVCconvert]

(may have been in the announcement on the DVC site before it went away)

The current edition of vacation magic has been taken down, and if you search "smoke free policy" on the DVC site it takes you to a page that says the news letter is not available.

Me thinks someone in copy proofing is going to get the axe.

 

[Inkmahm]

The current edition of vacation magic has been taken down, and if you search "smoke free policy" on the DVC site it takes you to a page that says the news letter is not available.

Me thinks someone in copy proofing is going to get the axe.

Now the news had been released to the world. I did a google news search and found the announcement.

http://orlando.bizjournals.com/orlando/stories/2007/04/30/daily18.html

 

[jimh13432]

 

[tufenuff]

I am a smoker and have always just smoked where it is allowed. I do not have a problem with there being no smoking in the rooms as long as there is a smoking area within a 5 minute walk. When smoking is not allowed I carry a tooth pick or lollipop and that is fine.

 

[ammo]

Now the news had been released to the world. I did a google news search and found the announcement.

http://orlando.bizjournals.com/orlando/stories/2007/04/30/daily18.html

So the earlier post through the DVC website was the news equivalent of EMH?

 

[CarolA]

Personally this makes me mad. I am not a smoker, but if a smoker PURCHASED DVC they are being deprived. (Personally this strikes me as a much better class action suit then the idiots wanting to sue for commerical renting rights.)

PLUS I can assure you that now that Marriotts are "non smoking" you have to FIGHT your way through the cloud of smoke to get outside. I had a LOT less problems with smoke when they let these people smoke in thier rooms then I do NOW.

To me this is a trend the "legisalture" of what "we think is right" So.... what's next? Drinking will be forbidden since we know that's bad for you too???? Dining plan outlawed since that is contributing to obesity???

 

[WendyinNC]

Oh, my poor pipe smoking DH. I suppose this would apply to him too? I hate cigarette smoke; but, I love the smell of a pipe.

 

[ammo]

Personally this strikes me as a much better class action suit then the idiots wanting to sue for commerical renting rights.

That depends on the wording of the contracts. Many of the benefits that we value from the DVC are at-will (DVC's will).

 

[MrsNick]

Now the news had been released to the world. I did a google news search and found the announcement.

http://orlando.bizjournals.com/orlando/stories/2007/04/30/daily18.html

This article is interesting since it only mentions Walt Disney World Resort, and does not make mention of either HH or VB. Wonder how they will be affected?

 

[Inkmahm]

This article is interesting since it only mentions Walt Disney World Resort, and does not make mention of either HH or VB. Wonder how they will be affected?

It refers to hotels AND timeshare resorts. How is HH or VB not covered by that?

 

[Inkmahm]

Oh, my poor pipe smoking DH. I suppose this would apply to him too? I hate cigarette smoke; but, I love the smell of a pipe.

Smoke is smoke. I certainly hope it covers cigars, cigarettes, pipes, anything that smokes.

 

[ammo]

So.... what's next? Drinking will be forbidden since we know that's bad for you too???? Dining plan outlawed since that is contributing to obesity???

Connect the dots for me. I don't see how the accommodations of other resort guests are affected by somebody overeating. Similarly for drinking, other than perhaps illegal or disruptive behavior. In such cases, DVC can restrict the derivative behaviors without eliminating food or alcohol. But smoking is different -- you can't eliminate the effects of smoke without restricting smoking. Of course, if you or some other brilliant entrepreneur creates an effective smokeless cigarette ...

 

[Muushka]

Oh, my poor pipe smoking DH. I suppose this would apply to him too? I hate cigarette smoke; but, I love the smell of a pipe.

I also love the smell of pipe smoke. Must be a NC thing

 

[Sherri]

I wish those fines would apply to people who do not respect the rules in the parks and smoke wherever they feel like. Now tha would be nice if it worked for the resorts and all areas deemed nonsmoking.
Needless to say, i'm thrilled.