All About Fixed Weeks (RIV/CCV/AUL/VGF/POLY/TOWER/VHD/FWC Charts)

[emchen]

Update: Last week, I decided against buying direct. This week, I made a few runs at 3 stale contracts (VGF 155-220) pointers) on DVCSearch.com.

I figured, by taking advantage of summer incentives, Magical Beginnings (MB) for 2022 points, and leasing out 2023 points...150 pts direct Favorite Week (FW) contract for a standard view resort studio...comes out to $150 pp. With 40 remaining years (remember I would lease out '23), the all-in cost pp/yr is $11.08.

I negotiated an 185 point contract with Dec UY and full '23 points for $160 pp. With intent to lease '23 points for $18 pp, cost pp comes down to $142 (all-in cost pp/yr $10.88). $11.08 - $10.88 = $0.20

Convince me VGF FW 150 point contract is worth $0.20 more pp/yr than a resale VGF non-FW 185 point contract.

Note: My Dec UY membership is already "DY" (membership perks eligible). My decision depends on you!

ETA:
Note to @PolyRob: No I didn't factor in credit card cashback or bonuses...but point taken.
Note to @achinforsomebacon: Revised numbers above based on all you responders, special shoutout to the bacon-lover for link to VGF price sheet and giving me a clue! Hahaha!

 

[Jimmy Geppetto]

Update: Last week, I decided against buying direct. This week, I made a few runs at 3 stale contracts (VGF 155-220) pointers) on DVCSearch.com.

I figured, by taking advantage of summer incentives, Magical Beginnings (MB) for 2022 points, and leasing out 2023 points...150 pts direct Favorite Week (FW) contract for a standard view resort studio...comes out to $165 pp. With 40 remaining years (remember I would lease out '23), the all-in cost pp/yr is $11.45.

I negotiated an 185 point contract with Dec UY and full '23 points for $160 pp. With intent to lease '23 points for $18 pp, cost pp comes down to $142 (all-in cost pp/yr $10.88). $11.45 - $10.88 = $0.57

Convince me VGF FW 150 point contract is worth $0.57 more pp/yr than a resale VGF non-FW 185 point contract.

Note: My Dec UY membership is already "DY". My decision depends on you!

It’s a no brainer if you ask me. No restrictions and perks are well worth $0.57pp to me. Especially since DVC is building more resorts and really clamping down on who gets membership extras and who doesn’t.

 

[PolyRob]

It’s a no brainer if you ask me. No restrictions and perks are well worth $0.57pp to me. Especially since DVC is building more resorts and really clamping down on who gets membership extras and who doesn’t.

Agreed! Not to mention ease of calling a guide and loading all points that day vs waiting on resale.

@emchen did you factor what you could earn putting it all on credit cards between cash back and bonuses?

 

[Sandisw]

Update: Last week, I decided against buying direct. This week, I made a few runs at 3 stale contracts (VGF 155-220) pointers) on DVCSearch.com.

I figured, by taking advantage of summer incentives, Magical Beginnings (MB) for 2022 points, and leasing out 2023 points...150 pts direct Favorite Week (FW) contract for a standard view resort studio...comes out to $165 pp. With 40 remaining years (remember I would lease out '23), the all-in cost pp/yr is $11.45.

I negotiated an 185 point contract with Dec UY and full '23 points for $160 pp. With intent to lease '23 points for $18 pp, cost pp comes down to $142 (all-in cost pp/yr $10.88). $11.45 - $10.88 = $0.57

Convince me VGF FW 150 point contract is worth $0.57 more pp/yr than a resale VGF non-FW 185 point contract.

Note: My Dec UY membership is already "DY". My decision depends on you!

The ability to use your points at all potential resorts as well as being eligible for perks when and if they exist.

Being DVC gets you a 20% discount on merchandise. You can probably make that up rather quickly.

It would be enough for me.

 

[achinforsomebacon]

Update: Last week, I decided against buying direct. This week, I made a few runs at 3 stale contracts (VGF 155-220) pointers) on DVCSearch.com.

I figured, by taking advantage of summer incentives, Magical Beginnings (MB) for 2022 points, and leasing out 2023 points...150 pts direct Favorite Week (FW) contract for a standard view resort studio...comes out to $165 pp. With 40 remaining years (remember I would lease out '23), the all-in cost pp/yr is $11.45.

I negotiated an 185 point contract with Dec UY and full '23 points for $160 pp. With intent to lease '23 points for $18 pp, cost pp comes down to $142 (all-in cost pp/yr $10.88). $11.45 - $10.88 = $0.57

Convince me VGF FW 150 point contract is worth $0.57 more pp/yr than a resale VGF non-FW 185 point contract.

Note: My Dec UY membership is already "DY" (membership perks eligible). My decision depends on you!

Note to @PolyRob: No I didn't factor in credit card cashback or bonuses...but point taken.

How do you get to $165 pp direct after all incentives and renting the 2023 points? Before renting 2023 you should be able to get to $161 before closing costs. Are you not including the Welcome Home credit? From what I've seen, you should be able to make any reservation in the not so distant future and qualify for the $1500 credit.

 

[emchen]

https://dvcexplorer.com/fin/m/GrandFloridian_Member_Welcome.pdf

WOW! Thank you @achinforsomebacon ! I love this forum. How did I miss this? Thank you guys! Shoot my guide an email tomorrow and add-on...

 

[sethschroeder]

Really it comes down to resale vs direct conversation which is likely better suited for other threads.

FW benefit is no matter what occurs there will always be a room and possibly at a discount if the point charts change long term in your favor.

 

[emchen]

Really it comes down to resale vs direct conversation which is likely better suited for other threads.

FW benefit is no matter what occurs there will always be a room and possibly at a discount if the point charts change long term in your favor.

Curious, is the concensus here that weeks 49+50 have a good probability of increasing in point value based on how economical the current point chart is and the booking patterns of DVC members?

 

[Sandisw]

Curious, is the concensus here that weeks 49+50 have a good probability of increasing in point value based on how economical the current point chart is and the booking patterns of DVC members?

Honestly, I think the changes to the point charts for that time period are pretty much done being adjusted....they have come up quite a bit over the past few years....

 

[BWV Dreamin]

Update: Last week, I decided against buying direct. This week, I made a few runs at 3 stale contracts (VGF 155-220) pointers) on DVCSearch.com.

I figured, by taking advantage of summer incentives, Magical Beginnings (MB) for 2022 points, and leasing out 2023 points...150 pts direct Favorite Week (FW) contract for a standard view resort studio...comes out to $150 pp. With 40 remaining years (remember I would lease out '23), the all-in cost pp/yr is $11.08.

I negotiated an 185 point contract with Dec UY and full '23 points for $160 pp. With intent to lease '23 points for $18 pp, cost pp comes down to $142 (all-in cost pp/yr $10.88). $11.08 - $10.88 = $0.20

Convince me VGF FW 150 point contract is worth $0.20 more pp/yr than a resale VGF non-FW 185 point contract.

Note: My Dec UY membership is already "DY" (membership perks eligible). My decision depends on you!

ETA:
Note to @PolyRob: No I didn't factor in credit card cashback or bonuses...but point taken.
Note to @achinforsomebacon: Revised numbers above based on all you responders, special shoutout to the bacon-lover for link to VGF price sheet and giving me a clue! Hahaha!

Purchasing resale excludes you from booking at Riviera, VDH and any future new DVC resorts. You did not place a value for this criteria ( either positive or negative value). It is a no brainer the FW direct VGF2 is the better buy.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

Honestly, I think the changes to the point charts for that time period are pretty much done being adjusted....they have come up quite a bit over the past few years....

Really they have much bigger problems to address other than revising the points charts.

 

[sethschroeder]

Really they have much bigger problems to address other than revising the points charts.

What would a team specifically made to make the point charts otherwise fix? They have to run the the dates every year anyways.

In the end its a legal requirement in the contract they try to balance demand.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

What would a team specifically made to make the point charts otherwise fix? They have to run the the dates every year anyways.

In the end its a legal requirement in the contract they try to balance demand.

Well demand is down, so that’s not an issue. They need to focus on sales, and benefits associated with membership. Really, a whole team dedicated to revising the points chart? Seems those resources could be better used elsewhere. Iger is selling off 1/3 of Disney’s holdings. The stock is in the dumpster. Really, they are not focused on the points charts.

 

[Sandisw]

Well demand is down, so that’s not an issue. They need to focus on sales, and benefits associated with membership. Really, a whole team dedicated to revising the points chart? Seems those resources could be better used elsewhere. Iger is selling off 1/3 of Disney’s holdings. The stock is in the dumpster. Really, they are not focused on the points charts.

DVCMC is in charge of the point charts and making sure they work. The demand for parks has nothing to do with DVC point charts.

DVD is in charge of sales and perks. Two different divisions with different responsibilities. They don’t mix roles like that.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

DVCMC is in charge of the point charts and making sure they work. The demand for parks has nothing to do with DVC point charts.

DVD is in charge of sales and perks. Two different divisions with different responsibilities. They don’t mix roles like that.

Ok. Whoever is responsible still will not likely change a thing given Disney‘s current overall situation. We just better hope Iger doesn’t decide to sell off the timeshare division.

 

[J-Dog]

Ok. Whoever is responsible still will not likely change a thing given Disney‘s current overall situation. We just better hope Iger doesn’t decide to sell off the timeshare division.

I'm not sure that you are understanding how business works. You don't just suddenly abandon all your operations and strategies just because profit may be down.

 

[Sandisw]

Ok. Whoever is responsible still will not likely change a thing given Disney‘s current overall situation. We just better hope Iger doesn’t decide to sell off the timeshare division.

One has nothing to do with the other. DVCMC has an obligation to owners to look at the current trends in DVC bookings at resorts and then create a points chart each year that reflects that as best as it can.

So, if they decide they need to make adjustments for 2025 based on what is happening and with how the 2024 charts are built, they will tweak them.

The reason I don’t think we will see any changes for a bit in the fall and December is because they have done it already and need to keep things going for a bit to see if further adjustments are needed.

The state of the company and going ons in other divisions have no bearing on this. Now, selling off the timeshare divisions is a different story.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

I'm not sure that you are understanding how business works. You don't just suddenly abandon all your operations and strategies just because profit may be down.

Please google Iger and CNBC. Yes he is doing just that.

 

[Sandisw]

Please google Iger and CNBC. Yes he is doing just that.

Of course, he is doing those things, but we are talking about adjusting the DVC point charts which has to happen, if the bookings of DVC owners warrants it.

Until DVCMC is no longer a company that manages the program, there would be no reason not to, They get paid 12% flat fee to do certain things for us…it doesn’t change if profits are down.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

One has nothing to do with the other. DVCMC has an obligation to owners to look at the current trends in DVC bookings at resorts and then create a points chart each year that reflects that as best as it can.

So, if they decide they need to make adjustments for 2025 based on what is happening and with how the 2024 charts are built, they will tweak them.

The reason I don’t think we will see any changes for a bit in the fall and December is because they have done it already and need to keep things going for a bit to see if further adjustments are needed.

The state of the company and going ons in other divisions have no bearing on this. Now, selling off the timeshare divisions is a different story.

Actually, certain actions have indirect reactions. In my opinion, the points charts and adjusting them where people would have to buy more points is either a good or bad thing depending on your outlook. If the company is trying to drive profitability, adjusting the points charts requiring additional points purchases is a sales tactic. Also, there are negative consequences to this and again in my opinion where you don’t see a direct relationship I see an indirect relationship. YMMV.