Alec Baldwin shoots/kills cinematographer and injured director after firing a "prop gun".

[Sinder]

Taking gun safety advice from Alec Baldwin is like taking swimming lessons from Ted Kennedy.

Or driving

 

[JimMIA]

OK, this clears everything up...Alec Baldwin NOW says he DID NOT PULL THE TRIGGER!

I'm not sure how a revolver could "go off" without someone pulling the trigger, but he says the bullet just killed her by itself.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/01/ale...ger-before-bullet-killed-cinematographer.html

 

[MakiraMarlena]

don't know about that, Alec. Guns just don't go off without pulling the trigger. But on the other hand you have Hannah Gutierrez-Reed admitting that she did not thoroughly check the gun.

 

[JimMIA]

don't know about that, Alec. Guns just don't go off without pulling the trigger. But on the other hand you have Hannah Gutierrez-Reed admitting that she did not thoroughly check the gun.

Semi-automatic firearms, either pistols or rifles or shotguns, can fire with only modest pressure on the trigger -- but not revolvers, and this was a revolver.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

“I would never point a gun at anyone and pull the trigger.” - Alec Baldwin during interview on ABC airing tomorrow.

 

[Kennywood]

Alec Baldwin sounds more and more like he belongs in the "Family Circus" comic strip....

 

[elcapitanJack]

Let him squirm.

 

[bcla]

Semi-automatic firearms, either pistols or rifles or shotguns, can fire with only modest pressure on the trigger -- but not revolvers, and this was a revolver.

Depends. These were single-action replicas, although I'm not sure how much a difference there would be between an original Colt Army and one of these Italian replicas. In a lot of movies they're holstered with the hammer cocked for a quick-draw, and I understand the typical trigger pressure is a light 2-3 lbs.

I talked to someone at a range about a particular DA/SA semi-auto handgun without a manual safety but with a decocking lever. He said it didn't use one because the heavy weight of the initial DA trigger pull made it difficult to accidentally pull the trigger like with most SA/DA revolvers, which almost never have manual safeties.

 

[tasha99]

OK, this clears everything up...Alec Baldwin NOW says he DID NOT PULL THE TRIGGER!

I'm not sure how a revolver could "go off" without someone pulling the trigger, but he says the bullet just killed her by itself.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/01/ale...ger-before-bullet-killed-cinematographer.html

My husband has been saying for weeks that he may not have even pulled the trigger because that kind of gun (single action) is known for being able to fire without pulling the trigger because the firing pin sits right on the bullet. If I haven't completely mangled my husband's explanation . . .

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Wasn’t he ordered not to discuss the case?

 

[bcla]

My husband has been saying for weeks that he may not have even pulled the trigger because that kind of gun (single action) is known for being able to fire without pulling the trigger because the firing pin sits right on the bullet. If I haven't completely mangled my husband's explanation . . .

Depends. A lot of older guns are very simple. Newer ones might have firing pin blocks that block the firing pin unless the trigger is pulled. Older firearms have been known to fire without a trigger pull - most notably when the hammer is cocked, the gun is dropped, and the hammer releases as a result of the drop. Some other shocks might also cause one to fire.

 

[Starwarsfan2]

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OK, this clears everything up...Alec Baldwin NOW says he DID NOT PULL THE TRIGGER!

I'm not sure how a revolver could "go off" without someone pulling the trigger, but he says the bullet just killed her by itself.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/01/ale...ger-before-bullet-killed-cinematographer.html

It was probably the same guys that attacked Jussie that pulled the trigger. You know, they were never apprehended.

 

[dominiondad]

If you believe that your gun can fire without pulling the trigger, all the more reason to not point your loaded gun at the chest of an innocent co-worker.

 

[TLSnell1981]

OK, this clears everything up...Alec Baldwin NOW says he DID NOT PULL THE TRIGGER!

I'm not sure how a revolver could "go off" without someone pulling the trigger, but he says the bullet just killed her by itself.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/01/ale...ger-before-bullet-killed-cinematographer.html

No words. Smh

 

[Gamedog]

Fact: The revolver fired while in his possession
Fact: The revolver in his possession was pointed at a person
Fact: The person he pointed the revolver at died due to the gunshot wound
Fact: He killed someone

Opinion: He should be tried as murderer, just like any other citizen should, given the facts stated above...

Replica or not, always keep your firearm pointed in a safe direction, treat all firearms as if they were loaded and be certain of your target, your line of fire, and what lies beyond your target. 3 of the 5 basics to firearm safety. Money doesn't buy brains.

 

[MakiraMarlena]

It's not necessarily murder though. It can be depending on the rules of the state regarding intent. So it's not true than any other citizen would be charged with murder.

 

[Gamedog]

It's not necessarily murder though. It can be depending on the rules of the state regarding intent. So it's not true than any other citizen would be charged with murder.

Not necessarily murder? That's your opinion as was my "opinion" above

Hard to argue with the facts, though...

 

[Sinder]

In New Mexico it could be involuntary manslaughter.
A poster posted a link earlier in the thread of a young man who accidentally shot and killed his grandfather and was charged.

There shouldn't be 2 sets of laws depending on your profession, or fame or money. But we all know there is.

 

[JimMIA]

Not necessarily murder? That's your opinion as was my "opinion" above

Hard to argue with the facts, though...

You got the facts right, but whether those facts constitute murder in New Mexico is another question.

I don't know either NM statutes or case law, so I'm not going to guess whether Baldwin will be charged...or if so, with what crime(s).

 

[MakiraMarlena]

definitely not up on New Mexico law, but this could be chargeable as manslaughter if they decide he didn't have the requisite intent to kill someone. Some states use negligent homicide or "depraved heart" murder (although the requisite intent is not proven, the accused's actions are so negligent as to justify the charge). as noted I do not know New Mexico law.