Al Sharpton Strikes Again!

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TYPICAL?!?!? What does THAT mean?

I heard a young black man calling into the radio the other day. He was from Atlanta. While talking about the Bell case, he felt that "justice wasn't done...". Well, it was. There are appeals and such but to say that "just wasn't done" because you didn't agree with the outcome is different than nothing at all being done. That seems to be the consensus of Al and his fellow protesters as well. If you feel that way, protest away. But take your frustrations out on the "system", not on the general public and potentially put some of them at risk or in harms way.

The reason I mention he was black (he and another female caller, who was also black, identified themselves as such) is because the premise of the discussion was to gauge the reaction to the verdict from a black person's perspective. Their feelings seem to fall in line with other black people. Probably a lot of other black people.

It's not unusual for some DISers, who are black, to respond the way they do when issues like this are discussed. I'm not saying this is bad (or good), it's just that's what happens. People will read into what they want. It wasn't my intention to imply one thing or another.
 
This was not a typical strip club, it was known for the unsavory characters that were the clientel of this particular strip club, its no "scores". Your argument doesn't float in this case.

Whats with all the ivory tower comments, how do you know who here has not walked this road. Your very angry but your judgment of all the posters here is wrong.

People do make mistakes, people turn lives around, but some dont, and somebody that has turned their life around is not doing it at the club Kahlua.



Why does a person who don't agree with some have to be angry?

As far as the Ivory tower comment, that was said to 1 person do you understand?.. Which by the way I stand by my comment so we'll have to agree to disagree on this.


That said, you're right people do make mistakes and some do turn their lives around for the better. This being the case I sure as heck won't begrudge them for going to strip clubs.
 
No not really correct, you are taught and just because of muscle memory will start shooting after you have come up on your target. Now the part where you are correct is this, its very hard to shoot a semi automatic handgun. Shooting paper is tough in itself but now add stress and darkness Adrenalin and life threat and you are going to miss allot of shots. Police are taught to shoot to stop the threat.

Thanks for clearing it up!:goodvibes
 
Why does a person who don't agree with some have to be angry? You don't anything about me. As far as the Ivory tower comment, that was said to 1 person do you understand?.. Which by the way I stand by my comment so we'll have to agree to disagree on this.


That said, you're right people do make mistakes and some do turn their lives around for the better. This being the case I sure as heck won't begrudge them for going to strip clubs.
I think the poster was trying to illustrate that this place was way more than a strip club.
 

Apparently not , they were found not guilty, tragic things happen, they happen everyday, nobody wins in this situation , no cop ever wants to kill anyone.

Do you expect them to stand there and get shot or run over, is a police funeral a better deal for you? Police officers are killed every single day, some for hesitating instead of reacting to a very real threat that could cost them their lives.

I dont recall seeing police officer kneeling in the street when they are executed by criminals, why is that ok?

Dont fool yourself for a second and think al sharpton is not all about al sharpton, anything to get his mug on the TV

I agree witht his post wholeheartedly.
And I think Al Sharpton is a disgrace to the human race.
 
I think that people who hear about this in national news snipets..are only hearing what the media puts out there for them to hear. Young man shot 50 times hours before wedding. Makes for good headlines, and who wouldn't be outraged by that? Only that is NOT the case, and he wasn't hit with 50 bullets..fifty shots were fired. If you know the area and the reason that brought the undercover work to the area in the dead of night(at the request of the community) you can see why it is that the judge..(who again, I must state, has no horse in this race,...and has sent cops to jail before,) decided that these officers were innocent. They were doing a job that went horriblly wrong...but the circumstances surrounding the tragedy did not amount to police brutality, murder or manslaughter. There was no intent to kill an innocent victim. I can't tell you how many people I know who weren't even aware that the cops involved weren't all white, that a Hispanic and African American were charged along with the white cop. I just think that Sharpton is taking a tragic situation and twisting it to suit his purpose. This is not a Louima type situation..this is not a situation that occured in PA. It just isn't. He didn't like the verdict..he's got that right. Protest..but don't put innocent lives ..and I'm not talking about incoveniencing motorists..but lives of the people of the city of NY at risk for this. This case has been monitored on a federal level all along, I would be very surprised if any federal charges of civil rights viloations will be filed.
 
You know we'll have to agree to disagree on this because I do believe these men are guilty of murder. I also believe the judge did an huge injustice by not allowing all the evidence to be heard.

Some cops are just as bad and corrupt as the criminals on the street.

Another thing, I might not agree with Al on some things, but at least the man has enough guts to stand up for what he believes in rather you agree or not.
This isn't just about white cops beating up black men anymore, it's about bad cops in general of all races beating and killing innocent people of all races.

That said, people need to be careful about what they say because GOD forbid one of our son's or daughters be the next Sean Bell or Micheal Mckinny from Ball State.

Al stands up for what he believes will get him airtime.
 
I dont see Al's named mentioned....I wonder if he will show up if one of these people get aquitted....hmmmm.....by the way this is horrible....what would possess any person of any color to do this to any other person of any color....just sickening....I know it happens everywhere in all areas but this is just bad.....23 and 21.....:sad2:

Hugh Christopher Newsom, Jr., 23, and Channon Gail Christian, 21, were a couple from Knoxville, Tennessee. According to a Tennessee grand jury, they were murdered and both were raped after being kidnapped early on the morning of January 7, 2007. Their vehicle had been carjacked.[1][2]
Five suspects have been arrested and charged in the case.[3] The grand jury indicted four of the suspects on counts of murder, robbery, kidnapping, rape and theft, while one final suspect faces federal charges as accessory after the fact to carjacking.[2] A purported lack of coverage by the mainstream media, inflamed by erroneous rumors about the case, initially caused a backlash and accusations of racial bias from a variety of conservative and right-wing commentators, as well as some white nationalist groups.[4]
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[edit] Crime

According to news reports, Christian and Newsom had gone on a date at a local restaurant on Saturday, January 6, 2007, but did not return home. During their night out, the couple was "hijacked, bound and blindfolded and taken back to Lemaricus Devall 'Slim' Davidson's rented house on Chipman Street."[5]
Christian's parents found her abandoned Toyota 4-Runner two blocks away from the Chipman Street house the following Monday with the help of her mobile phone provider. An envelope recovered from the vehicle yielded fingerprint evidence that led police to Lemaricus Davidson and 2316 Chipman Street. When police went to the address on Tuesday, January 9, they found the home unoccupied and Christian's body in a trash can in the kitchen.[6] Forensic evidence showed that Christian had also been raped ******lly, orally, and anally.[2] [7] One of the suspects, Vanessa Coleman, later told police that, "she witnessed Christian's mouth being cleaned with a bottle of some type of cleaner," in an attempt to remove DNA evidence.[8] Forensic evidence showed significant trauma caused by "an object" to Christian's ******, anus, and mouth, and that she had died slowly in the trash can, suffocating while wrapped in curtains, sheets, and several trash bags.[7] There was also evidence of blunt trauma to her head leading to bruising of the brain in addition to bruises found on her neck, arm, back, and anal region.[9] Coleman also said that she had seen "clothes that were stained with blood and smelled of gas being put in the washing machine at the house."[8] Newsom was shot three times, "his body wrapped in a blanket, set afire and dumped alongside nearby railroad tracks." [6][10] Evidence has also been presented that he had been anally raped.[2][7]

[edit] Reaction

The national news media was initially criticized by some for not giving the crime adequate coverage because the victims were white and the suspects black, but some commentators have explained that "as bad as this crime is, the apparent absence of any interest group involvement or any other 'angle' might also explain the lack of coverage."[5][11][12][13] This criticism was also fueled by erroneous reports of dismemberment, mutilations, and the duration of Christian's rapes allegedly committed by the suspects, especially in early reports.[14] Most of the original reports along with misinformation reported from a federal deputy shortly after the suspects were apprehended in the arresting state of Kentucky were later denied by the District Attorney.[14] This misinformation was capitalized on by white nationalist groups promoting two small demonstrations in Knoxville against the crime and its lack of mainstream media coverage.[15][16][17][18][4]
Police Chief Sterling Owen IV said that there is no indication the crimes were racially motivated and that the murders and assault "appears to have been a random violent act."[19] "There is absolutely no proof of a hate crime," said John Gill, special counsel to Knox County District Atty. Randy Nichols. "We know from our investigation that the people charged in this case were friends with white people, socialized with white people, dated white people. So not only is there no evidence of any racial animus, there's evidence to the contrary."[20] Some commentators have disagreed, notably including white nationalist Hal Turner, claiming that such a crime would include a motive of racial hate. This viewpoint was also repeated, along with erroneous rumors about the crime, in some conservative-leaning media, including blogger Michelle Malkin on Fox News's O'Reilly Factor program.[4] Prior to the DA's statement, Newsom's mother sympathized with the "hate crime" position stating, "It may have started out as a carjacking, but what it developed into was blacks hating whites."[20] Christian's father (addressing those who used his daughter's death to suit their own agenda) appeared ambivalent, stating "[the crime] ain't about you."[4] However, after the conviction of Eric Boyd, Christian clarified his belief that it was a hate crime, stating that "what they did, you don't do unless you hate."[21]

[edit] Victims

Christian moved from Louisiana to Tennessee with her family in 1997. She was a graduate of Farragut High School and a senior majoring in sociology at the University of Tennessee.[22][23] On January 12 her family released a statement to thank the Knoxville community "for all their prayers and everything." A candlelight vigil was held on the university campus January 25, 2007 in her honor. Newsom, a former baseball player for the Halls High School Red Devils, graduated in 2002. He was interred at Woodhaven Memorial Gardens.[24]

[edit] Suspects and indictments

The four indicted were:
  • George Geovonni "Detroit" Thomas, 27, faces a total of 46 charges. Thomas was indicted on 16 counts of felony murder growing out of the rape, robbery, kidnapping, and theft of Christian and Newsom, 2 counts of premeditated murder, 2 counts of especially aggravated robbery, 4 counts of especially aggravated kidnapping, 20 counts of aggravated rape, and 2 counts of theft.
  • Lemaricus Devall "Slim" Davidson, 25, (b. June 13, 1981) faces the same 46 charges as Thomas. Davidson had also completed serving a five-year sentence in Tennessee on a previous felony conviction for carjacking and aggravated robbery on August 5, 2006.
  • Letalvis "Rome" Cobbins, 24, (b. December 20, 1982) also faces the same 46 charges as Thomas. In 2003, Cobbins was convicted of third-degree attempted robbery in New York state. He and Davidson are brothers.
  • Vanessa Coleman, 18, was arrested by police in Lebanon, Kentucky. She faces 40 Tennessee state charges. Coleman was indicted on 12 counts of felony murder growing out of the rape, robbery, kidnapping, and theft of Christian and Newsom, 1 count of premeditated murder (of Christian only), 1 count of especially aggravated robbery (of Newsom only), 4 counts of especially aggravated kidnapping, 20 counts of aggravated rape, and 2 counts of theft.
In each indictment, the large number of rape counts were included to provide a range of options for prosecutors, not to reflect the number of rapes which actually occurred.[25]
Further, Eric DeWayne "E" Boyd, 34, was arrested in connection with the fatal carjacking, though not indicted by the Knox County grand jury. Still, Boyd was charged in federal court as an accessory after the fact for helping the suspects evade the police. Later, Boyd was also accused by Thomas and Cobbins of rape and murder, and a search warrant was obtained for his DNA.[26] The accusations did not result in charges.[27]

[edit] Trials

The four suspects indicted in Knox County were originally scheduled to be tried separately, at trials scheduled between May and August of 2008.[28] However, the trial date for the subjects indicted in Knox County was moved back to 2009 in February of 2008.[29] In an apparent attempt to force the prosecution to try the case with the least forensic evidence first, the attorneys for Thomas filed a motion for a speedy trial, arguing there was no forensic link between their client and the crime scene.[30]
District Attorney Randy Nichols has announced that the state would be seeking the death penalty for both Cobbins (currently the first to go to trial) and Coleman if convicted.[31][32] Davidson has also been indicted for a second robbery which was committed after the murders.[28] The publicity and exaggerated allegations made against the accused led the defense to argue that a change of venue was required in order to ensure a fair trial. However, the state argued that an impartial jury could be found during voir dire, and the presiding judge subsequently denied the motion as "premature."[33]

[edit] Verdicts

On April 16, 2008, Eric Boyd was found guilty in Federal court of being an accessory to murder and for harboring a felon. [34] Boyd's was the first case to go to trial, and he was the only suspect not charged with murder.[9] He faces up to 22 years in prison for the convictions.[35]

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So LohKee and meloneyb, do you think the "Rev." Al will be going to Tennessee to protest the horrible injustice done to these white people ???

I doubt it.

Sorry, you have the right to believe what you want, I have the right to believe what I want. We both have the right to think our beliefs are correct and the opposite beliefs are incorrect.

I also have the right to think the "Rev" Al is a watse product, and I do.
 
Al stands up for what he believes will get him airtime.


I don't care what Al believes in. I don't care what makes Al happy. Al can fight for whoever Al feels like fighting for, or whoever he feels like fighting against as far as I'm concerned. Al is his own person. Al's agendas are his own. Regardless of what some of YOU might think, Al does not speak for the black community. but think what you want. What some of us think of other communities could cause this to get ugly so I won't go there. Al can do whatever Al does best..I'll continue to do my thing as you do yours.

Hate him, love him, despise him who cares. You're entitled to feel the way you want to feel about Al, me or anyone else.
That's between you and your God.
 
So LohKee and meloneyb, do you think the "Rev." Al will be going to Tennessee to protest the horrible injustice done to these white people ???

I doubt it.

Sorry, you have the right to believe what you want, I have the right to believe what I want. We both have the right to think our beliefs are correct and the opposite beliefs are incorrect.

I also have the right to think the "Rev" Al is a watse product, and I do.




As I said in the previous post, I don't care what your feelings are for Al, Jesse or any race in general. You can hate him, hate blacks, hate hispanics, hate whites, hate whoever until the cows come home... I don't care. You're entitled to feel the way you want to feel.


BTW, how many here are going to Tennessee to protest this horrible injustice? Imho you should. It's an horrible crime and yes those cretins should be dealt with. Hey fight for what you believe in!
 
Yes he's a donkey butt to those who probably never endured police brutality, and probably never lost a loved one due to rogue trigger happy cops.

Yes long live donkey butt keep fighting:thumbsup2


:cheer2: Go AL!!!:cheer2:









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:rotfl2: Thought I tick off some people... :lmao:

I don't care what Al believes in. I don't care what makes Al happy. Al can fight for whoever Al feels like fighting for, or whoever he feels like fighting against as far as I'm concerned. Al is his own person. Al's agendas are his own. Regardless of what some of YOU might think, Al does not speak for the black community. but think what you want. What some of us think of other communities could cause this to get ugly so I won't go there. Al can do whatever Al does best..I'll continue to do my thing as you do yours.

Hate him, love him, despise him who cares. You're entitled to feel the way you want to feel about Al, me or anyone else.
That's between you and your God.

Really?
 
Al can do ANYTHING he damn well pleases, and as much as I don't agree with him, I do agree he has that right, and would fight for his right to do so. Only NOT at the expense of others. NOT at the expense of shutting down a city. Not when it prevents emergency personel from reaching their destinations. It doesn't take much for that to happen in his city. I wouldn't want to tell a family member that the ambulance couldn't get there to save their loved one, because Al was making a "point" that day. I don't imagine it would be much comfort to them.


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Yes..really...and If Al wants to keep doing his Al thing, may God Bless his soul. He's entitled to do his Al thing. You might not like it, but he's entitled.

I didn't say (on this thread) how I personally feel about Al. I was just pointing out that you have seemingly contradicted yourself more than once.
 
Yes..really...and If Al wants to keep doing his Al thing, may God Bless his soul. He's entitled to do his Al thing. You might not like it, but he's entitled.


When he disrupts the city then it becomes our "thing". When the policeman and other city workers have to patrol his marches, we as taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for it.

Al, talk to Congress, Senate like other responsible adults did when they weren't happy with the laws.
 
I cannot believe there are people who actually support him. He is a sorry excuse for a human being.

Kristine
 
I didn't say (on this thread) how I personally feel about Al. I was just pointing out that you have seemingly contradicted yourself more than once.


Charade, no offense but to be honest I have always thought of you as a closet David Duke/Dawnct wrapped into one. You might be far from that description, but it's funny how one can visualize a person without really knowing them.

That said, you can take all my post and wrap it into one sweet little post of me not giving a darn what Al says or how you or anyone else view those who don't agree with you.
 
Charade, no offense but to be honest I have always thought of you as a closet David Duke/Dawnct wrapped into one. You might be far from that description, but it's funny how one can visualize a person without really knowing them.

That said, you can take all my post and wrap it into one sweet little post of me not giving a darn what Al says or how you or anyone else view those who don't agree with you.

Come on now,thats messed up, why compare anybody with david duke, charade is no david duke.
 
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