Al Gore uses 20 TIMES as much electricity as you do

[sdy]

Above quoted from the article about George.

I guess it's all just more whining from the "have nots"

The article about Bush was, I believe, an Op-Ed piece. So the tone was, indeed, fervent. Agreed.

However, I took the point to be what was stated at the front of my previous post. Which is, to put it bluntly, as President, his actions in this arena indicate a paradoxical, arguably unethical, and potentially inexcusable, self-interest. His, assumedly, substantial (and personal) financial investment would signal that he actually believes, at least to some extent, that there is a pending environmental crisis needing to be addressed. However, his substantive actions in office, or lack thereof, bespeak anything but.

And to be clear. I posted this article in its entirety because portions of it were clearly being used to buttress a particular partisan stance. When viewed in complete, this piece portrays a very specific message. Whether or not you agree with that message, I thought those engaging in this discussion would prefer to be fully informed of the facts, rather than operating at the mercy of carefully selected, and out of context, mediabytes.

 

[Charade]

The article about Bush was, I believe, an Op-Ed piece. So the tone was, indeed, fervent. Agreed.

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No kidding. That's why I usually don't rely on OP-ED pieces to make a point.

 

[DancingBear]

Typical of you. Don't like the message, so attack the messenger.

IRONY ALERT! IRONY ALERT! IRONY ALERT! IRONY ALERT!

 

[User Name]

Jumping in once more. And begging forgivness, once more.

I am simply eager to clarify part of the discussion.
Below, you'll find the entire text of the "Bush loves ecology---at home" article that appeared in the Chicago Tribune, which I purchased from their web archives. Hard as I try to remain open-minded and neutral, the idea that Bush "walks the walk" is simply not so. Though I do very much applaud his private efforts at his home in Texas, as the preeminent policymaker of this country, his "walking the walk" would entail advocating effective environmental legislation. Which he has not done.

You've got to be kidding?

If George Bush cured cancer, you guys would complain that it took him too long.


That's what we need, more legislation. More elitists forcing their unproven theories on others at the cost of trillions of dollars with no assurrances that it would work, anyway.

You can't make this stuff up.

 

[LuvDuke]

You've got to be kidding?

If George Bush cured cancer, you guys would complain that it took him too long.


That's what we need, more legislation. More elitists forcing their unproven theories on others at the cost of trillions of dollars with no assurrances that it would work, anyway.

You can't make this stuff up.

You missed the point .............. again.

The "haves" like George Bush make sure they and their family have the cleanest of drinking water and the prettiest of views. The hell with the rest of us.

Oh, and irony of ironies, "Walk the walk" George Bush is living in a house that's over twice the size of mine. Good golly Miss Molly, how can he "walk the walk" and not live in a tent. Whatta world, whatta world.

 

[User Name]

Please use ACTUAL data and and show some kind of results, I wish you luck in shutting up the DOC but doubt that you will be able to back up any of your claims with actual data.

Just because a bunch of "scientists" believe something doesn't necessarily make it true. "Scientists", at one time, believed the world was flat. They also believed that the Sun revolved around the earth. They also believed that the Earth was the center of the universe.

"Scientists" claim that there is global warming. Compared to what? It's all relative. If you compare the current temps to 1988, the 1930's, or 1000, it's COOLER right now. If you compare it to other times, it's WARMER right now. Is that really that hard to understand? You can use the same data, and depending on what result you want, change the baseline. That's one thing these biased scientists are doing.

"Scientists" claim that the global "warming" is man made. There have been numerous studies posted here and in similar threads showing alternative theories. However, they don't fit some people's agenda.

Here's a recent story: "Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says" from National Geographic (hardly a "conservative" organization)
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html

"Scientists" one thought that CO2 levels caused global warming. There are studies out there that show the opposite - that CO2 levels rise AFTER warming periods. But, that doesn't fit some "scientists'" agenda.

So, where's the "unanimity" that is claimed?

Theories are just that - theories. Until it is conclusively proven that mankind has any negligible effect on the environment, we shouldn't throw trillions of dollars at something that won't make a difference.

 

[Andy B]

You've got to be kidding?

If George Bush cured cancer, you guys would complain that it took him too long.


That's what we need, more legislation. More elitists forcing their unproven theories on others at the cost of trillions of dollars with no assurrances that it would work, anyway.

You can't make this stuff up.

More elite forces forcing their unworkable government on others at a cost of trillions of dollars with no assurances how long the war will last anyway.

You don't have to make this stuff up!

 

[LuvDuke]

More elite forces forcing their unworkable government on others at a cost of trillions of dollars with no assurances how long the war will last anyway.

You don't have to make this stuff up!

The irony is priceless.

 

[Andy B]

Just because a bunch of "scientists" believe something doesn't necessarily make it true. "Scientists", at one time, believed the world was flat. They also believed that the Sun revolved around the earth. They also believed that the Earth was the center of the universe.

"Scientists" claim that there is global warming. Compared to what? It's all relative. If you compare the current temps to 1988, the 1930's, or 1000, it's COOLER right now. If you compare it to other times, it's WARMER right now. Is that really that hard to understand? You can use the same data, and depending on what result you want, change the baseline. That's one thing these biased scientists are doing.

"Scientists" claim that the global "warming" is man made. There have been numerous studies posted here and in similar threads showing alternative theories. However, they don't fit some people's agenda.

Here's a recent story: "Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says" from National Geographic (hardly a "conservative" organization)
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html

"Scientists" one thought that CO2 levels caused global warming. There are studies out there that show the opposite - that CO2 levels rise AFTER warming periods. But, that doesn't fit some "scientists'" agenda.

So, where's the "unanimity" that is claimed?

Theories are just that - theories. Until it is conclusively proven that mankind has any negligible effect on the environment, we shouldn't throw trillions of dollars at something that won't make a difference.

I have read the article it is a single piece of controvercial unsubstantiated theory.

I do not believe there has been unanimity claimed but a high level of agreement by reputable studies. There has been an acknowledgement of other theories but a belief these are wrong. This has been part of this thread for most of its life so why do you go back to ignoring this?

 

[NELSON]

Al Gore has made me afraid of the climate because I'm now absolutely certain it's trying to kill me. Last night I couldn't sleep, thinking about the fact that the only thing separating me from this killer climate was just several inches of wall. I finally was able to sleep after moving to the closet. I woke up knowing I have to do my part to reverse this global warming/cooling/changing thing. Here's what I've done so far:

Taped 8 plys of Bounty paper towels over the end of my Suburban's tailpipe. This works like a secondary catalytic converter, or in my case, like a primary catalytic converter since I removed mine to pick up a few more horsepower.
I put a potato under my vehicle's accelerator pedal to restrict excessive acceleration. I figure if I am in an emergency situation, like needing to race a Hyundai to the on ramp, I can mash hard and crush the potato (I really thought this out).
I set up 4 small electric heaters to blow on my gas hot water heater so I could save some energy. As I don't have any extra outlets in my garage, I had to purchase a small generator to power the heaters.
I closed the heater vents in my bedroom and bought an electric blanket and small electric heater. This allows me to funnel more warm air to the living room and safely turn down the aquarium heater thermostat 2 degrees. (If my fish starts dying, I will be forced to undo this change.)
I am bathing in a jog suit so I can use slightly cooler water.
I unplugged all small appliances until they are needed.
I have shut off the rear speakers on my surround sound system.
This is only a beginning, but at least I'm no longer part of the problem.

 

[DancingBear]

Don't quit your day job.

 

[Andy B]

Al Gore has made me afraid of the climate because I'm now absolutely certain it's trying to kill me. Last night I couldn't sleep, thinking about the fact that the only thing separating me from this killer climate was just several inches of wall. I finally was able to sleep after moving to the closet. I woke up knowing I have to do my part to reverse this global warming/cooling/changing thing. Here's what I've done so far:

Taped 8 plys of Bounty paper towels over the end of my Suburban's tailpipe. This works like a secondary catalytic converter, or in my case, like a primary catalytic converter since I removed mine to pick up a few more horsepower.
I put a potato under my vehicle's accelerator pedal to restrict excessive acceleration. I figure if I am in an emergency situation, like needing to race a Hyundai to the on ramp, I can mash hard and crush the potato (I really thought this out).
I set up 4 small electric heaters to blow on my gas hot water heater so I could save some energy. As I don't have any extra outlets in my garage, I had to purchase a small generator to power the heaters.
I closed the heater vents in my bedroom and bought an electric blanket and small electric heater. This allows me to funnel more warm air to the living room and safely turn down the aquarium heater thermostat 2 degrees. (If my fish starts dying, I will be forced to undo this change.)
I am bathing in a jog suit so I can use slightly cooler water.
I unplugged all small appliances until they are needed.
I have shut off the rear speakers on my surround sound system.
This is only a beginning, but at least I'm no longer part of the problem.

This is not big or clever!

Go tell the people in Enterprise that the climate is not a killer!

 

[LuvDuke]

No kidding. That's why I usually don't rely on OP-ED pieces to make a point.

Yanno, what goes around comes around.

Are you disputing what's contained in the OP-ED piece?

Looks to me like Bush dealt himself a pretty good hand while lowering the standards for the rest of us peons.

 

[JimB.]

Go tell the people in Enterprise that the climate is not a killer!

So is it your contention that yesterday's tornado is a result of global warming??

 

[Andy B]

So is it your contention that yesterday's tornado is a result of global warming??

My contention? I believe that 'Global Warming' may have impacts such as the early or more severe impacts of such events but I have no proof that it was a direct or contributing cause. That aside I was making the comment as I feel that Nelson's posts or not helpfull or to my view funny and one which began

Al Gore has made me afraid of the climate because I'm now absolutely certain it's trying to kill me.

I thought in poor taste.

You laugh away if you wish.

 

[rockbottomsound]

Gamma rays were discovered by the French chemist and physicist Paul Ulrich Villard in 1900

Discovered and effectively measured, studied and factored into the equation are 2 TOTALLY different things. Which they were NOT among a gigantic laundry list of other things.

 

[rockbottomsound]

Firstly solar activity has been recorded for centuaries as have volcanic activites and a number of the things you say should be taken into account. Also radiation can be extrapolated from residual radiation in some substances known to have formd at various time over the study period ie rock forming etc.

Secondly it seemed that you were disputing Global Warming at all then it the cause.

Besides just because you say there is no link has no more validity than me saying there is, other than the various reigorous scientific papers supporting my view that is. Never mind fingers in ears, close eyes and sing LA LA LA. With a little luck the rest of the world will make the changes so my genetic line will continue.

No I've been talking about linking "causes" with any warming/cooling trends, that's what I strongly dispute. Actual warming/cooling trends, yes those are somewhat documentable, but are certainly not definitive when it is not known what the causes are, and are subject to change or even reversing trends if the direct causes are not known.

 

[rockbottomsound]

Al Gore has made me afraid of the climate because I'm now absolutely certain it's trying to kill me. Last night I couldn't sleep, thinking about the fact that the only thing separating me from this killer climate was just several inches of wall. I finally was able to sleep after moving to the closet. I woke up knowing I have to do my part to reverse this global warming/cooling/changing thing. Here's what I've done so far:

Taped 8 plys of Bounty paper towels over the end of my Suburban's tailpipe. This works like a secondary catalytic converter, or in my case, like a primary catalytic converter since I removed mine to pick up a few more horsepower.
I put a potato under my vehicle's accelerator pedal to restrict excessive acceleration. I figure if I am in an emergency situation, like needing to race a Hyundai to the on ramp, I can mash hard and crush the potato (I really thought this out).
I set up 4 small electric heaters to blow on my gas hot water heater so I could save some energy. As I don't have any extra outlets in my garage, I had to purchase a small generator to power the heaters.
I closed the heater vents in my bedroom and bought an electric blanket and small electric heater. This allows me to funnel more warm air to the living room and safely turn down the aquarium heater thermostat 2 degrees. (If my fish starts dying, I will be forced to undo this change.)
I am bathing in a jog suit so I can use slightly cooler water.
I unplugged all small appliances until they are needed.
I have shut off the rear speakers on my surround sound system.
This is only a beginning, but at least I'm no longer part of the problem.

Nelson's posts IMO are the best on this entire board (community side of it) there are others that are better with actually helping answering questions about the parks. But IMO Nelson RAWKS!!

I wish I could get his autograph.

 

[Andy B]

Discovered and effectively measured, studied and factored into the equation are 2 TOTALLY different things.

I agree but that is not what I took you to mean and so responded.

Which they were NOT among a gigantic laundry list of other things.

Not sure what this means but the effects of radiation can be measured. ie residual and half lives.

 

[BuckNaked]

This is not big or clever!

Go tell the people in Enterprise that the climate is not a killer!

Fair enough, but let's not pretend that tornadoes are a new thing for Alabama, an anomaly brought on by global warming.