Al Gore uses 20 TIMES as much electricity as you do

[Andy B]

Fair enough, but let's not pretend that tornadoes are a new thing for Alabama, an anomaly brought on by global warming.

Keep Up see my post 475!

 

[sdy]

No kidding. That's why I usually don't rely on OP-ED pieces to make a point.

Is the implication that I have? If that is the point you're attempting to make, it's incorrect. At least two others engaged on this thread used a portion of the OP-ED peice in question to make the point that Bush "walks the walk". Furthermore, if you do a google search, you'll find that certain partisan groups have done the same over the past few days since the Gore story broke. As I stated previously. I simply was curious as to the ENTIRE content of the article. Found it. Posted it. I was not relying on it to make a point. I was relying on it to refute one.

You've got to be kidding?

If George Bush cured cancer, you guys would complain that it took him too long.


That's what we need, more legislation. More elitists forcing their unproven theories on others at the cost of trillions of dollars with no assurrances that it would work, anyway.

You can't make this stuff up.

Seems to me the same exact statement could be said about the current war in Iraq, no?

Bush's position as President of the United States requires that he create, enact, enforce and interpret legislation, yes? It's his job. So, praytell. How does building a private home which is the paradigm of "green" but not taking steps towards building a country of the same environmental spirit, "walking the walk"?

And please. I have been quite careful to be as logical and even-handed as I can possibly be and take pains to not be zealotous in my stance. I believe this entire thread was borne of the notion that Gore is a "joke" because his message and his lifestyle don't cohere as cleanly as some would like. Call me crazy, but I tend to be much more concerned with what public figures do publicly rather than in their private lives.

Lastly, theories are inherently unproven. That is, indeed, what makes them theories. And science is a fluid medium. If it's assurances you are looking for, you'll never get them. And there will always be conflicting viewpoints. But that doesn't necessarily mean that action should not be taken.

 

[BuckNaked]

Keep Up see my post 475!

Sorry about that!

Having lived in Alabama for 13.5 years, I can attest to the fact that it is part of a Southern "Tornado Alley". It isn't unusual for the sirens to go off every other day or so during the spring.

 

[disneyfan67]

Nelson's posts IMO are the best on this entire board (community side of it) there are others that are better with actually helping answering questions about the parks. But IMO Nelson RAWKS!!

I have to agree with you on Nelson. Things get so nasty and over the top around here, it's nice to be able to laugh once in a great while. You can only take so much of the helpful comments that come from the other side on this issue. What person doesn't want to hear this little nugget of thoughtful advice below?

That as a conservative, you're too stupid to see the whole picture and lack the capacity and ability to have humor. (This next one is actually my favorite) Or you just aren't smart enough to properly format any worth while opinion because you see the issues in black and white, instead of the many vast shades of colors there is to the issue.

Between that little ditty above and being informed that this site is a Neo Con community and out of touch with Mainstream America, I'll take Nelson's humor over that any day. Please don't stop Nelson!

Oops, look at the time. I just realised that I haven't drawn my new pentagram on my floor, lit my worshiping candles and prayed to Ann Coulter for guidence like all conservatives do.

I sure hope that Rush Limbaugh's producers fax me my daily talking points soon, I would be lost without them.

 

[Andy B]

Sorry about that!

Having lived in Alabama for 13.5 years, I can attest to the fact that it is part of a Southern "Tornado Alley". It isn't unusual for the sirens to go off every other day or so during the spring.

It's OK this can sometimes be a thread that can leave you behind.

It was reported here as possibly a little early in the season compared to normal.

We were in Cincinnatti last Easter burying my MIL's ashes following her death over here and we had a Tornado warning at the hotel we were staying in, trees down in my DW's cousins garden and a power outage in the areas.

 

[Andy B]

Seems to me the same exact statement could be said about the current war in Iraq, no?

I thought I put it with a little more humour.

More elite forces forcing their unworkable government on others at a cost of trillions of dollars with no assurances how long the war will last anyway.

You don't have to make this stuff up!

 

[sdy]

I thought I put it with a little more humour.

You absolutely did...

Sorry. I was bleary eyed and didn't even catch your comment until I went back through the thread a second time.

Wit and humour don't come 'til noon, following at least 3 cups of coffee in my universe.

Bah.

 

[Andy B]

You absolutely did...

Sorry. I was bleary eyed and didn't even catch your comment until I went back through the thread a second time.

Wit and humour don't come 'til noon, following at least 3 cups of coffee in my universe.

Bah.

Noon was almost 5 hours ago! Welcome to London Time

 

[rockbottomsound]

Do you have a reading comprehension problem or would you care to point me to any post where I've said I'm convinced that human activity is to blame for global warming?

Ok sorry then, disregard. I thought you were one of my environmental whacko friends.

And guys linking tornados to global warming is about as intelligent, rational and scientific as linking acid rain to the price of tea in China.

The last I checked tornadoes have been around at least since the Democratic party.

 

[rockbottomsound]

I sure hope that Rush Limbaugh's producers fax me my daily talking points soon, I would be lost without them.

Yes, me too, I have not gotten mine this morning and am having trouble functioning, what to do? What to say? Should I not even eat until my marching orders are given? I'm so confused, robot batteries being drained..... losing thought process...........shutting down now 'cause I just can't..........losing power....please respond.....losing power.......

 

[Andy B]

Ok sorry then, disregard. I thought you were one of my environmental whacko friends.

And guys linking tornados to global warming is about as intelligent, rational and scientific as linking acid rain to the price of tea in China.

The last I checked tornadoes have been around at least since the Democratic party.

You are hard work.

My contention? I believe that 'Global Warming' may have impacts such as the early or more severe impacts of such events but I have no proof that it was a direct or contributing cause.

Notethe lack of messianic certainty or insulting tone?

 

[Christopher Robin]

I sure hope that Rush Limbaugh's producers fax me my daily talking points soon, I would be lost without them.

Just use the liberals' talking points, and where it says "Are to!" substitute "Are not!"

 

[NELSON]

I finished "greening" my life yesterday. I scientifically calculated that I reduced my carbon footprint from a mens size 12.5 to a ladies size 2 with these energy-saving measures:

Oiled the front of my Chevy Suburban for less wind friction, thus better fuel economy. Side benefit: It will now go over 200 MPH!
Halfway filled my gas tank with ping pong balls so it will use half as much gas (I know, this is FREAKING GENIUS and works GREAT).
Put 125 lbs. of air in my tires. Rolling resistance = almost zero!
Put a screw in my car's dashboard that doesn't allow the heater temperature control knob to go to the hottest setting.
Super-glued all the little holes in my shower head except one. (I may have to undo this innovative low-flow design as the water stream now cuts me like a laser beam, as evidenced by my hundreds of lacerations.)
Tied tight knots in all power cords to significantly reduce electricity reaching devices. Unfortunately I had to undo knots in the cord on my main reading lamp (light too dim), and microwave (food under cooking).
Turned down the brightness on my TV, and bass on my stereo (slightly).
Broke the seal and removed the glass cover off my electric meter so I could slow the little spinning wheel with some foam rubber. Immediately my electricity usage dropped by over 82%! I managed to put the seal back on so you can't see where I cut it, for hopefully permanent savings.
Lastly, ran and buried an extension cord from my neighbor's patio receptacle to my refrigerator since she probably owes me carbon credits because of my savings.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Acutally most of the other intellligence agencies (at least the ones not involved in the fixiing of the WMD intelligence) all told the US that the intelligence on Iraq was false. I can bury you with links but I know that the German intelligence agencies told the US that the intelligences on mobile weapon labs was false and could not be relied on and the Germans were the original source of such intelligence in the first place. I also remember that Russia told us that there were no links between Saddam and Al Qaeda and we ignored that intelligence. The only foriegn intelligence agency that backed the US up was the UK and they were a party to the fixing of intelligence by bush and blair to sell the war.

Why do you think that the US could not get anyone on the security council to vote in favor of the Iraq invasion? The other countries knew that the intelligence and facts were fixed.

Again, if you want to debate WMDs, I will be glad to bury you with cites. I note that the Senate is going to finish up the Phase II review of the fixed or faked intelligence to used to sell the war this summer and that will be a fun document to read.

Wow, mostly a bunch of baloney.

It's not too tough with the Al's Internet to bury anyone with "cites" -- no matter what side of the argument.

Of course any cite that disagrees with you would be "in on the fix."

 

[wvrevy]

That as a conservative, you're too stupid to see the whole picture and lack the capacity and ability to have humor. (This next one is actually my favorite) Or you just aren't smart enough to properly format any worth while opinion because you see the issues in black and white, instead of the many vast shades of colors there is to the issue.

Want some examples?
"Al Gore said he invented the internet." (actually not even close to what he said, but conservatives couldn't be bothered)

"I was for it before I was against it." (An accurate statement taken completely out of context. Not calling anyone stupid, but if you can't grasp that he was talking about two different things, you have no business carrying on an adult conversation about issues like this)

"Bush never lied" (Despite being inaccurate, it ignores the fact that he did everything he could to falsely link Iraq to 9/11, as did Cheney and Rummy)

and finally, on this issue:

"Gore uses more power than you do" (True, but completely misleading since it takes into account none of the factors that lead to his using more power, nor what he has done to minimize that).

Again, I'm not calling anyone stupid, conservative or otherwise. I am saying that you seem to be completely incapable of looking at complex issues with anything other than a simplistic viewpoint.

 

[Galahad]

"Al Gore said he invented the internet." (actually not even close to what he said, but conservatives couldn't be bothered)

But an axiom is an axiom. I'll bet most people believe that Dan Quayle misspelled "potato", even though he did not, it's part of the popular lexicon. The fact that it isn't technically true would be irrelevant to people that think it's just a simple shorthand to illustrate how stupid he was.

And calling someone incapable of seeing things any way other than simplistically is different than calling them stupid the way lavender is different from light purple.

 

[Anewman]

But an axiom is an axiom. I'll bet most people believe that Dan Quayle misspelled "potato", even though he did not, it's part of the popular lexicon.

Of course not, everybody knows there is an "E" at the end.

 

[Galahad]

Of course not, everybody knows there is an "E" at the end.

See. This is exactly how the Al Gore thing got started. The teacher in the class handed VP Quayle index cards with the words printed on them. Potato was printed on the card with an E. VP Quayle was guilty of repeating what was on the card. His other alternative would have been to publically correct the teacher. The point is, it's almost true - true enough to feed those who have a certain view of him. No different than the Gore and the internet thing.

 

[disneyfan67]

Want some examples?
"Al Gore said he invented the internet." (actually not even close to what he said, but conservatives couldn't be bothered)

"I was for it before I was against it." (An accurate statement taken completely out of context. Not calling anyone stupid, but if you can't grasp that he was talking about two different things, you have no business carrying on an adult conversation about issues like this)

"Bush never lied" (Despite being inaccurate, it ignores the fact that he did everything he could to falsely link Iraq to 9/11, as did Cheney and Rummy)

and finally, on this issue:

"Gore uses more power than you do" (True, but completely misleading since it takes into account none of the factors that lead to his using more power, nor what he has done to minimize that).

Again, I'm not calling anyone stupid, conservative or otherwise. I am saying that you seem to be completely incapable of looking at complex issues with anything other than a simplistic viewpoint.

First off I never used any of those items you quoted above. I'm no fan of John Kerry, but I never faulted him for his slip ups of the tongue. Unlike you, who has lambasted the President for his botched language, I don't hold verbal slip ups against anyone. The only time I had a problem with Kerry is when he botched that joke about the troops in Iraq and then refused to apologize right away. It wasn't the joke I had a problem with because I knew what he meant, it was the arrogance of letting the story get so out of hand.

You're going to have to do some hard searching to find anything above that was said by me. Why are you trying to tie me into that nonsense? Especially this quote of yours below, which I never had any part in, BTW. I never said it or used in a thread that I'm aware of

I was for it before I was against it." (An accurate statement taken completely out of context. Not calling anyone stupid, but if you can't grasp that he was talking about two different things, you have no business carrying on an adult conversation about issues like this)

As for the my calling Al Gore a hypocrite, I still stand by it because I feel he could much better, being the face of the Global warming discussion in this country. I understand he was Vice President and would live a different lifestyle than a normal middle class person. My point is he could do better and he needs to.


As for this quote below of yours, you now have turned into a personal attack again. At first it was just conservatives in general. Now I see you just changed it to me, who according to you, is too simple and stupid to see it your way. Which to you is the correct and only way to go. Not only are you arrogant, you lie as well.

Again, I'm not calling anyone stupid, conservative or otherwise. I am saying that you seem to be completely incapable of looking at complex issues with anything other than a simplistic viewpoint.

[/QUOTE]


You fit the perfect stereotype of Liberals that people dislike so much and why Liberal sometimes is used as a dirty word. You don't have to be arrogant or make yourself out to be intellectually superior, but you can't help yourself and you do every time. At your age you still believe that everything the Democrats do is good and wholesome and the direct opposite for any Republican. I out grew that line of thinking when I left high school, what's your excuse?


I see a lot of issues in a lot of different ways. Rarely are they as black and white as you try to make mine seem. Don't make assumptions because I only went to trade school and a couple of years of local collage. I can think for myself quite well. I don't need Rush Limbaugh to tell me what to think. I read and watch many news sources, not just the ones you ridicule either.

You know what I think the saddest thing about you is? That you label people forever and never allow them to grow or change their opinions because of some of their political beliefs you dislike. I have grown to hate the Iraq war and see it as a poorly planned, huge mistake. I'm also very disappointed in how GWB has ran his Presidency and the many mistakes he has made. I truly wish I had never voted for the man. That doesn't matter to you though, because your political ideology won't allow for change in people like me, who you never hide your contempt for. You have no idea who I am, what life experiences I have had, or how much knowledge I really have, IRL. At first I used to dislike your way of treating people you disagree with, but now I just feel sorry for you. Life's too short to be that arrogant and mean to people you don't agree with. I pity you, I really do.

 

[Anewman]

See. This is exactly how the Al Gore thing got started. The teacher in the class handed VP Quayle index cards with the words printed on them. Potato was printed on the card with an E. VP Quayle was guilty of repeating what was on the card. His other alternative would have been to publically correct the teacher. The point is, it's almost true - true enough to feed those who have a certain view of him. No different than the Gore and the internet thing.

His other alternative would have been to know how to spell it(guide list or not), and not correct the kid who did.

You really see no difference do you?