Adobe Photoshop and CS

[dpuck1998]

Think these will work with Elements too.
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Enjoy

work with cs3?

 

[TinkerKat]

I'm curious to see the answer ...
Can I add a question? Which of the versions is best for the not so
digital photo (saving, filing on computer) savvy?
Thanks!
Kat

 

[Anewman]

What are the different versions of photoshop available...ie CS2 etc...

How are they different?

TIA

Well to my knowledge there are only two CURRENT versions of Photoshop. But You may be able to find older versions on EBAY pretty cheap(use caution).


Photoshop CS3 = the current full(pro level) version

Photoshop Elements 5.0 = the current entry level version

Without ever using the Elements line I would guess that it has 95% of the functionality of the CS3 version and is probably geared more towards beginners.

There are also other Image editing programs available like Paint Shop Pro, never used it so I can not really tell you much about it other than it is pretty cheap and also does most of what Photoshop does.

 

[MarkBarbieri]

The different variants of Photoshop that Adobe currently sells are:

Photoshop Album Starter Edition 3.2 (for Casual Photographers)

Photoshop Elements 5.0 (for Photography Enthusiasts)

Photoshop CS3 (for Professional and Serious Amateur Photographers)

Photoshop CS3 Extended (Adds 3D and motion stuff to CS3)

Photoshop Lightroom 1.1

Adobe's page to help you decide which Photoshop is appropriate for you: http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshoplightroom/

 

[Furgus]

work with cs3?

Yep, tested them out last night.

 

[dpuck1998]

Awesome, I have CS3 and was wondering if I needed something else...thanks for the info.

 

[Furgus]

I have CS3 and Lightroom, and honestly I do most of my work in Lightroom.

 

[dpuck1998]

I have CS3 and Lightroom, and honestly I do most of my work in Lightroom.

What do find better? Easier? More functional? Should I get lightroom ;-)

 

[Furgus]

What do find better? Easier? More functional? Should I get lightroom ;-)

I think you can download a 30 day trial of Lightroom from Adobe. Might be worth looking into. There are a bunch of sites out there that give online tutorials for Lightroom too. I like Lightroom cause I can import all my photos, catalog them, and do almost all the PP I need to do without opening PS. I still use PS for resizing, sharpening, and printing. The sharpening has gotten better in LR since 1.1 came out, but it is not the same, at least to me. The resizing is limited, and the printing just stink, IMHO anyways. Try the trial, it might save you some money, and you might hate it. I know some folks don't like it very much.

 

[dpuck1998]

I think you can download a 30 day trial of Lightroom from Adobe. Might be worth looking into. There are a bunch of sites out there that give online tutorials for Lightroom too. I like Lightroom cause I can import all my photos, catalog them, and do almost all the PP I need to do without opening PS. I still use PS for resizing, sharpening, and printing. The sharpening has gotten better in LR since 1.1 came out, but it is not the same, at least to me. The resizing is limited, and the printing just stink, IMHO anyways. Try the trial, it might save you some money, and you might hate it. I know some folks don't like it very much.

Do you edit RAW images? What program do you use for that?

 

[Furgus]

I shoot only in RAW and I use lightroom to process them.

 

[RBennett]

I shoot only in RAW and I use lightroom to process them.

So for someone shooting RAW you say you like lightroom, but they also say Elements 5.0 is good for pp. Do you what advantages/differences there are between the two? Can you do like the whole black and white the photo and color in sections with both programs, and all the other big processes? THANKS!!

 

[Furgus]

You can not do the selective coloring in Lightroom, so for that I use Photoshop. You also can not do any layers in Lightroom, I hope they fix that some day, and by that I mean, when you export the image from Lightroom to PS, it basically gives you a flat image, not in like "the colors are flat" but all the edits you did in LR are not editable in PS. That would be awesome if there was a way to see those edits in PS.
The only edits I have not been able to do in LR that I have to do in PS is the selective coloring. LR has a fantastic B&W conversion, CS3's is pretty close, But I think LR is a little better for B&W conversions.
My best advice to anyone on the edge, go to Adobe download the trial, and "try" it.
Here is a great website for tips in LR. I think if you go back to the first post, it is kind of a tutorial.

http://www.lightroomkillertips.com/

Here is a good site with most of the links you need to try Lightroom, and has the basic videos shown.
http://www.photoshopuser.com/Lightroom/

I know there are other LR users in this community, so what do you guys/gals think?
Maybe a mod can split this off to a LR discussion...

 

[jann1033]

So for someone shooting RAW you say you like lightroom, but they also say Elements 5.0 is good for pp. Do you what advantages/differences there are between the two? Can you do like the whole black and white the photo and color in sections with both programs, and all the other big processes? THANKS!!

elements 5 by itself stinks for raw conversion...i have camera raw and have digital photo. pro( comes with canon) and use that since there is no batch conversion with elements 5. from what i have read lightroom is better if you use raw alot. pse is imo tons easier to learn to use than the full photoshop although maybe now that i know how to use the pse5 the full version would be fine as well.

i unfortunately downloaded lightroom when it first came out and didn't ever use it so now i don't think i can down load again...i wonder if i did it under my husband's email if i could try it...anyone know?

the main problem i have with pse5 is if you have a large catalog and not tons of memory, it freezes up a lot and won't save your edited photos. to get around that until i get another computer i got an external hard drive and put most of my photos after i process them on there but that is a pain as well since unless they are in the catalog( and on the hard drive) you have to go to each folder to see them and it takes a while. there probably is an easier way but i am not aware of it.

 

[dpuck1998]

So for someone shooting RAW you say you like lightroom, but they also say Elements 5.0 is good for pp. Do you what advantages/differences there are between the two? Can you do like the whole black and white the photo and color in sections with both programs, and all the other big processes? THANKS!!

Like this

I did this in C3 and it was so EASY I was amazed!!

 

[fitzperry]

I agree that if you shoot mostly RAW you'll want something besides (or in addition to) Elements. I downloaded the Lightroom trial, and I'm not sure what I'll do without it when my 30 days is up. I'm especially enjoying the curves tool since that is something that Elements lacks. Batch editing is another thing that Elements can't do. Lightroom's keywording system seems really cool too, although I haven't done much with it yet.

Unfortunately we've had so many big expenditures this year that I just can't justify the price tag right now (actually I'm trying to decide between Lightroom and the 70-300 VR lens--my anniversary is coming up ). I did the trial this month because I had a lot of vacation pictures to edit.

Furgus: What do you mean when you say the printing stinks? I haven't tried to print anything from Lightroom.

 

[Furgus]

In CS3 I can print borderless, and in Lightroom I can't. All of the printing leaves a white border around it. Also, it just doesn't seem to handle printer paper profiles very well. I may be doing something wrong, but I have not figured out how to get it to print the way I want.

 

[RBennett]

Well here's my question now; I want to keep the number of programs I have to use to a minimum, obviously. But I also intend on shooting in RAW quite a bit. Now my pentax comes with a program, "I believe", that allows me to convert the RAW images. So now I'm stuck with, if I just got one program even if it means having to learn how to use it rather than hit the ground running, which one to use? Now granted I don't want a top-of-the-line-need-to-be-an-expert-to-open-the-box type of program, but I would really rather just keep the number of programs to a minimun. But I don't know what to go with.

 

[Steve's Girl]

I agree that if you shoot mostly RAW you'll want something besides (or in addition to) Elements. I downloaded the Lightroom trial, and I'm not sure what I'll do without it when my 30 days is up. I'm especially enjoying the curves tool since that is something that Elements lacks. Batch editing is another thing that Elements can't do. Lightroom's keywording system seems really cool too, although I haven't done much with it yet.

Unfortunately we've had so many big expenditures this year that I just can't justify the price tag right now (actually I'm trying to decide between Lightroom and the 70-300 VR lens--my anniversary is coming up ). I did the trial this month because I had a lot of vacation pictures to edit.

Jen -

If you have school age kids, you can get Lightroom at a discount through campustech.

 

[fitzperry]

Jen -

If you have school age kids, you can get Lightroom at a discount through campustech.

Excellent! Thanks for the tip!