Ack! Advice quickly, please!

Nothing like life experience to open their eyes. My daughter experienced a real dilly with her boyfriend's mother on Valentine's Day that laid out for her in six-foot flashing neon letters what a future married to him would include.
Yes it can be a great learning experience that all families are not the same, my daughter enjoys her time with her boyfriends family and is happy to be included but when she comes back from staying at his 80 something year old grandmas house she loves to tell me all the “weird” things his family does, haha!! It helps her appreciate what a great family she comes from :)
 
So it's fine if "people in the family don't come". Yet teens need to "get" that they have to do what they don't want to do with people they don't want to be with sometimes?

OP has already voiced a much less abrasive view of their family, teens included, but you seem to have a decidedly different take. Why is it that you feel teens in particular shouldn't be able to decline if they don't wish to come?
It’s fine IMO if ppl don’t like the invite (as is) they don’t have to come. It would be fine with me as the host if the teen didn’t come either. But they’re children & usually still under the care & direction of a parent. As a host, I wouldn’t care, but as a parent, I wouldn’t give them a choice unless they already had committed to some previous engagement.
 
I'm with the others. Wouldn't even be a blip on my radar. DS19 has dated his girlfriend since he was 17. She has always been included in any family events/holidays and he has been included in hers. Our family is very casual about these things. Will they be together forever? Who knows - but they are important to each other now. I also don't understand how it is crossing boundaries or rude to invite him. And how is anyone going to get to know him if he is not included. We have had many family gatherings with extra people - my SIL's mom comes to many of our families stuff if she is in town. Kids friends or Niece/Nephews friends have come to may birthday parties. To us it is just not that big of a deal.
 
Yes, it's my first kid, but I know myself well enough to say I'd be feeling the same way if this was my fifth kid or a birthday party for a dog (not that I do those, lol). I think it's rude to ask if you can bring someone to other peoples' homes, especially when it's such a small gathering, especially when it's immediate family only. We didn't invite the extended family because our house is small and things will already be tight as it is with eight people, so I do feel a little :snooty: at being asked to host someone I don't know. And there is no background for him to disappear into as the whole party will take place in the living room, so if he comes he will be very much a part of the dynamic.
I think you have the right to feel however you do & have the right to say no. Just say it’s a small affair. I think it’s rude to ever ask to invite someone who wasn’t originally invited. Or like my DH family does often just bring whomever they feel like even to a pay per head event at a venue! I’m so tired of ppl & their boundary issues!! Ahhhh!

On the flip side---it can be considered rude to have a casual family gathering and exclude one person's long term SO but not all the other halves of couples.
I mean, yeah they are only teens, but they've been together a pretty long time and it sounds like everyone else there is going to be there with their spouse or SO.
In our family both sides) it would be assumed that and long term SO's would be able to come if they want to---no need to specifically invite them by name. We tend to contact one person (say, my sister in law) and say "hey we're having a party for X and such and such dates, hope you can come and the clear assumption is "you guys" means the while family (sister in law, her husband, their two girls and anyone either of the girls is dating---one has never brought a date that I have seen, the younger one? I've met her boyfriend many times, and I am only in the same country once or twice a year :rotfl:)

Perhaps they were assuming the invite as for "the family" which to them includes the BF and suddenly realized maybe you did not mean it that way so decided to clarify---the idea that you see someone clarifying this as rude is very odd to me.

In any case, I agree with most. *I* would include a long term partner of my family member on any such invite and find it odd that you are so opposed, but if you are just reply that you do not want the BF to come--no drama needed. And plese do not be hurt or upset or put out if the niece chooses not to come to the event if you say no.
 
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I would see this as 'pushing boundaries' or being rude... if there were a real history of these people truly pushing reasonable boundaries and being rude.
I am not thinking that this is what I am seeing.... Maybe a little 'forward'.... But no biggie.

I am seeing the OP as a person out of her comfort zone. For whatever reason... this break from the known and routine seems to be way out of her comfort zone.

I also do not feel that a person should feel obligated to welcome everyone into their home.... Family, friends, friends of family... etc....
(I also do not believe that a teenaged GR / BF is automatically considered as 'half of a couple'.)

There are two ends to this spectrum here.
Neither one, just in itself, is given as 'wrong'.

OP, talk with your husband...
If both of you do still feel strongly about this, then, by all means.... it is perfectly fine for him to talk to his sister and let them know.
I would just advise you to take a deeper look at why this is such a big deal, and why do don't want him there.
Own it....

If they want to include the BF, and want others to get to know him, then I think it would be better for THEM to have some kind of birthday or gathering, instead of inviting him to somebody else's home.
Seriously, this would be the much better and maybe more appropriate approach.
 
Sis-in-law, I'm looking forward to meeting Boyfriend! But since I'm not inviting extended family, I'm afraid there might be a stink if Boyfriend is at Kid's first birthday party and not them. So let's do this, we'll come over your house next weekend for a 'boyfriend meeting' get together instead? We're free Saturday evening or anytime on Sunday. Let me know! :)
 
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Another thought, OP -

This is your first child, & he's turning one.

His birthday party is the first of many instances where you'll have to navigate through family politics.

Like others have said, as families, we sometimes assume a lot & there is usually a closer & more casual & comfortable relationship. So, while we may not call up an acquaintance & ask if our daughter can bring her boyfriend to George's retirement party, texting a sibling & asking, "Hey, is it okay if [daughter] brings [boyfriend] to the birthday party?" is different.

And this kind of stuff helps connect us to family & brings us closer together over the years - it's all part of the makeup of extended family, & this is the kind of thing that helps knit you together & creates memories & writes the "family story" - of which your son will be a part. You graciously assure your SIL that bringing the daughter's boyfriend is fine, &, then, there are no "hard feelings" or awkwardness at your son's party - just a general feeling of good will & family.

Your SIL may take you to the side at some point during the party & thank you for letting the boyfriend come - which strengthens the connection the two of you have, as sisters-in-law, but also as 2 mothers, at different mothering stages, but still understanding & helping each other out.

At some point in the future, the daughter may no longer be w/ this particular guy, but you can remember him w/ the rest of the family. Or, maybe they end up married, and how cool is it that he was at your son's first birthday party?

And, though it's hard to see now, your little boy is going to grow up, & there may be a time when he wants to bring his significant other to a family event.

Like I said earlier in this thread, I've been exactly where you are - especially the first time because I can be shy & unsure too, & I don't like getting out of my comfort zone. But, now, looking back, I'm so glad my nieces & nephews have felt comfortable enough w/ us to bring their boyfriends & girlfriends to my kids' birthday parties, &, in doing so, they have become part of my kids' "history" too - that whole extended family being knit together like a quilt thing. I am now friends w/ my nephew's current girlfriend on Facebook, & she is the sweetest girl! She knows I love flamingos, & she tags me in every single flamingo thing she finds!
 
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Of course if you don't want him there that is up to you but I am another one who feels he should be included. I started dating my DH when I was 15 and he was always (or mostly) included in everything and believe me I appreciated it. Even now with a teen daughter sometimes I feel a boyfriend is always here or they are always together I do try to remember how it was important to me at the same age and I try to accommodate that.

I just wanted to add that in thinking to my son's first birthday party I have a sister in law and brother in law who are no longer in the family that are in most pictures.
 
I'm a sure the 15 year old boyfriend (or your niece) doesn't want to come to a 1 year old's birthday party either. He just wants to be with his girlfriend. I'm willing to bet if they brought him you wouldn't see or hear from either teen all night. So no worries about photos or small talk.

That said, if it's going to cause you stress, just say no...or rather you have your husband tell his sister no.
 
OP here to answer/address a few comments I've seen.

In the right circumstances, I have no problem with adopting the mindset of the more the merrier and have done so in the past. I used to host a big annual party at my house and encouraged everyone on the guest list to bring as many friends and coworkers as they wanted, just please give me a headcount in advance so I could account for food and beverages. But, to me, there's a big difference between a house party with people coming and going all night vs. a quiet family dinner where you will be seated and eating off of China. I'm much more comfortable meeting someone for the (more or less) first time in the first scenario than the latter.

The issue isn't that we're talking about a teen romantic interest. If my SIL wanted to bring a coworker or my BIL one of his drinking buddies, it would still feel intrusive to me.

We love our baby to bits, of course, but my DH and I are not the type of parents to think the rest of the world cares one iota about our kid. Or so we thought, but my DH's family has surprised me by seeming genuinely enthusiastic about wanting to celebrate this baby's existence and they all, nieces included, frequently reach out to us to arrange a time to get together so they can see him. (Which I don't understand, because I've never cared one fig about being involved with anyone else's kid but I guess some people actually do enjoy them. Who knew? :confused3:laughing:) Anyway, my DH and I would've been been fine not having a party at all, cutting a piece of cake for the baby after dinner, and calling it a day. But we started thinking the grandparents might be disappointed not to be invited to celebrate their grandson's first birthday, then we didn't feel right inviting my DH's parents but not his siblings. We had already skipped doing a baby shower, "meh-ed" my MIL's idea of doing a meet-the-baby party for the extended family, and weren't able to make it to the big family Christmas this year. So yeah, we kind of felt like should have a party for his family, but we agreed to keep it to the immediate family only because we don't have a lot of room and we wanted to keep it simple. I wanted to feel like I was having a relaxed evening with family, not that I had to be "on" and entertaining. For me, less people = less stress.

Last night I was trying to think about it from the other perspectives involved. When I was my niece's age I was also in a year long relationship with my high school sweetheart and it never even crossed my mind to ask if he could come to family events/holidays, so this idea of teens bringing their boyfriends along to every family gathering is a new concept for me. I could see inviting the boyfriend if the gathering is taking place in your own home, but to drag him along to Aunt Tipsy's baby's birthday party? Why on earth would he even want to suffer through that? Then I put myself in my SIL's shoes and nope, no way would I ever think it was appropriate to ask to invite someone the hosting couple doesn't know into their home. So that exercise wasn't very helpful. :laughing: What was helpful was realizing I'm now in an uncomfortable position regardless, by either saying he can come or saying no, and the only thing that can be avoided now is the possibility of making my niece and/or SIL feel uncomfortable by saying no. Which means we'll end up saying yes even though my DH and I are still not thrilled about it. (But, of course we'll be welcoming and polite to all involved, no worries there!).

I just spoke to my DH about it again and he was getting ready to text his sister and say it's okay. He'd held off on replying to her last night because he still wasn't fully on board with the idea even though "Everyone on the internet says we're wrong, honey!" ;)

Today I'll wash another place setting and try to dig up another chair. :rolleyes:

Thanks for all the comments! :)
 
In the grand scheme of life this isn't even a blip on the radar. Save your stress for much bigger issues in the future. Plus it's just the nice thing to do to include him. Life isn't always just about making sure you personally are comfortable. You never know how you could touch someone's life.
 
Sorry. There is plenty I would “rather” do or ppl I’d rather be with sometimes, but that’s just life. Teens need to get that too.

Yes, teens need to grasp that they will have to do things they don't want to do at times, but OP also needs to grasp that her teen nieces are getting older which means boyfriends will be in the picture now and OP should account for that when inviting the nieces to family functions. Especially a boyfriend that's been around as long as a year. It's just par for the course at that age.
 
I am popping back on to say that, in spite of the comments of a couple of people on the thread, teens bringing their SOs to family gatherings is not some new thing for this so called "entitled" generation. I spent Christmases, birthdays, and even a houseboat vacation with families of the boys I dates in highschool and i am in my mid 40s.

The PP who posted about how the SOs of some family teens are important in the lives of their young kid made me think of an experience of mine: My last HS boyfriend had a baby sister. She was 6 months old when we started dating---and me being there at a lot of family events meant that when his 13 year old step brother died in a traffic accident, I was the one person not technically family that the then 14 month old was comfortable going with.
Sadly, some of the extended family chose to add to the family's grief at the funeral by gossiping abut me sitting with the family in the pew for the service---I was there because they wanted the little sister to be at the funeral as long as she could be and I was willing to hold her and leave with her when she got fussy and they knew she'd be comfortable with me, and none of them would have to miss any portion of their son's funeral.
 
OP here to answer/address a few comments I've seen.

In the right circumstances, I have no problem with adopting the mindset of the more the merrier and have done so in the past. I used to host a big annual party at my house and encouraged everyone on the guest list to bring as many friends and coworkers as they wanted, just please give me a headcount in advance so I could account for food and beverages. But, to me, there's a big difference between a house party with people coming and going all night vs. a quiet family dinner where you will be seated and eating off of China. I'm much more comfortable meeting someone for the (more or less) first time in the first scenario than the latter.

The issue isn't that we're talking about a teen romantic interest. If my SIL wanted to bring a coworker or my BIL one of his drinking buddies, it would still feel intrusive to me.

We love our baby to bits, of course, but my DH and I are not the type of parents to think the rest of the world cares one iota about our kid. Or so we thought, but my DH's family has surprised me by seeming genuinely enthusiastic about wanting to celebrate this baby's existence and they all, nieces included, frequently reach out to us to arrange a time to get together so they can see him. (Which I don't understand, because I've never cared one fig about being involved with anyone else's kid but I guess some people actually do enjoy them. Who knew? :confused3:laughing:) Anyway, my DH and I would've been been fine not having a party at all, cutting a piece of cake for the baby after dinner, and calling it a day. But we started thinking the grandparents might be disappointed not to be invited to celebrate their grandson's first birthday, then we didn't feel right inviting my DH's parents but not his siblings. We had already skipped doing a baby shower, "meh-ed" my MIL's idea of doing a meet-the-baby party for the extended family, and weren't able to make it to the big family Christmas this year. So yeah, we kind of felt like should have a party for his family, but we agreed to keep it to the immediate family only because we don't have a lot of room and we wanted to keep it simple. I wanted to feel like I was having a relaxed evening with family, not that I had to be "on" and entertaining. For me, less people = less stress.

Last night I was trying to think about it from the other perspectives involved. When I was my niece's age I was also in a year long relationship with my high school sweetheart and it never even crossed my mind to ask if he could come to family events/holidays, so this idea of teens bringing their boyfriends along to every family gathering is a new concept for me. I could see inviting the boyfriend if the gathering is taking place in your own home, but to drag him along to Aunt Tipsy's baby's birthday party? Why on earth would he even want to suffer through that? Then I put myself in my SIL's shoes and nope, no way would I ever think it was appropriate to ask to invite someone the hosting couple doesn't know into their home. So that exercise wasn't very helpful. :laughing: What was helpful was realizing I'm now in an uncomfortable position regardless, by either saying he can come or saying no, and the only thing that can be avoided now is the possibility of making my niece and/or SIL feel uncomfortable by saying no. Which means we'll end up saying yes even though my DH and I are still not thrilled about it. (But, of course we'll be welcoming and polite to all involved, no worries there!).

I just spoke to my DH about it again and he was getting ready to text his sister and say it's okay. He'd held off on replying to her last night because he still wasn't fully on board with the idea even though "Everyone on the internet says we're wrong, honey!" ;)

Today I'll wash another place setting and try to dig up another chair. :rolleyes:

Thanks for all the comments! :)

I know this has caused you stress & a little anxiety, but I just wanted to say that I think you have a really good attitude!

One thing I wonder now - when you were inviting family, did you say "birthday party" or "birthday dinner"?

Because, in my mind, the two things are different. When I think "party," I think the food (whatever you're serving) set up like a buffet & people mingling (a combination of standing & sitting in various places) w/ their plates & cups & not everyone sitting at one time around the dining room table - even if it is a smaller party. When I think "dinner," I think all the guests will be sitting together at the same time for the meal at the dining room table.

So maybe your SIL is thinking the same thing & didn't realize you are serving an actual dinner & everyone will be sitting at the dining room table? Bringing an extra to a party is different than bringing an extra to a dinner where there really may be only a certain number of chairs that can fit around the dining room table. And I think most people realize that.

Squeezing another chair around the table isn't normally a huge deal, but it can be. (Most people can't fit their entire extended family around one table anyway. I set up an extra table & chairs for the kids at Thanksgiving.)

Anyway, again, I know you wanted a relaxed, family evening, and it still can be. Once the boyfriend is there, I'm thinking you'll be surprised. You won't have to entertain him or make small talk w/ him &, once the initial greetings are over, you won't feel like you have to be "on" - any more so than you usually are w/ family.

Funny Story - The first time I brought DH, who was my then boyfriend, to our family Thanksgiving dinner at my grandparents' house, we were squeezed in at the "grown-up" table - we were both in college at the time. I was nervous, & DH was nervous. As I was serving myself some sweet potato casserole, DH asked me if I could also put a serving on his plate. Well, instead of putting the serving on his plate, my hand slipped, and his serving ended up in his glass of iced tea. I was mortified! But everyone else loved it, of course, & just laughed & laughed! Now, over 25 years later, it's still a favorite family memory!
 
@NHdisneylover -- The initial invitation to this was via phone with my DH asking his sister "Do you and the girls want to come? We're just doing a small thing after work with the immediate family. Don't eat before you come; we'll be serving dinner." She checked their schedules and got back to us with a "yes" for all three of them roughly two weeks ago. Then last night she asked about bringing the boyfriend as an additional guest. She wasn't clarifying a vague invitation.
 
@NHdisneylover -- The initial invitation to this was via phone with my DH asking his sister "Do you and the girls want to come? We're just doing a small thing after work with the immediate family. Don't eat before you come; we'll be serving dinner." She checked their schedules and got back to us with a "yes" for all three of them roughly two weeks ago. Then last night she asked about bringing the boyfriend as an additional guest. She wasn't clarifying a vague invitation.

I think you could say no in this situation if you don't really have room at the table for an extra.
 
Even with that verbage it would never occur to me that a 1 year olds birthday would be a formal dinner around the dining room table served off of china. I would still picture a casual, light, child like affair. And a phone invite also implies casual. I would not think it strange or rude for an extremely close family member (close enough to one of the few invited guests) to ask if another person could come.
 
Even with that verbage it would never occur to me that a 1 year olds birthday would be a formal dinner around the dining room table served off of china. I would still picture a casual, light, child like affair. And a phone invite also implies casual. I would not think it strange or rude for an extremely close family member (close enough to one of the few invited guests) to ask if another person could come.

This! I've never been to a child's birthday party (and believe me, I've been to dozens) that was a formal sit-down dinner. Even if someone said "don't eat before you come over because we'll be serving dinner..." I'd still expect pizza or burgers/chicken on the grill or something "casual". I can totally understand how SIL isn't batting an eye at asking to bring the boyfriend along...they're probably not expecting their dinner to be served on china while sitting at the dining room table (but "yay" for using the china on a day other than Christmas or Easter! :D )
 












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