Accept or Quit?

[Miss Jasmine]

What kind of work are they doing for $27 an hour? Just curious.

 

[Free4Life11]

I would stay until I found a new job. Also I would do whatever I could to screw them over. Damn the man, they say.

I forgot to say that I would be sure to have a YAGE! Once I had the new job, I would choose what would be my last day. Go in as usual and maybe in the middle of the shift, scream I QUIT, drop what I'm doing, and walk out.

 

[EthansMom]

I don't know too many people who would be able to live off 35% of their current pay. And even if you could afford to take a 65% pay cut, why would you be willing to do so?

 

[Sandy V.]

I don't know too many people who would be able to live off 35% of their current pay. And even if you could afford to take a 65% pay cut, why would you be willing to do so?

I don't think anyone who's telling the OP to "accept" the offer mean to stay there forever - just until they can find something else that they want to do and pays better (at least that's what I meant).

My point is - 35% of SOME salary is better than 100% of NO salary. In today's economy, there are very few industries where you can quit a job and find another one with a comparable salary immediately.

 

[WIcruizer]

I think it's rather obvious you need to keep your current job, but immediately strat looking for a new one. It's also a chance for you to take a hard look at acquiring other skills via a local tech college.

I feel for factory workers, my father was one. But the writing has been on the wall for a long time that manufacturing jobs are a dying breed due to competition abroad. It's not Delphi's fault. How can they pay $27/hour AND benefits while they compete in aworld market that pays $5/hour with NO benefits. It's a reality of 21st Century life.

It's really too bad, but take this as an opportunity to look into higher paying, "here to stay" jobs like med assistant, computer programming, and many others. It won't be easy, but 3 years down the road hopefully you'll be thankful this happened.

 

[pattyT]

depends on your needs....

can you afford not to work for a long time...
or ever...

 

[elan]

That is not true.

Delphi Chairman and CEO Robert S. "Steve" Miller has agreed to work for $1 per year until the company emerges from bankruptcy, and a score of other top Delphi executives will take a 10 percent cut.

Let's keep things honest and accurate here, folks.

This was not part of the original plan. It only happened because of the outrage.
The top 21 executives also sweetened their severence package at the same time.

 

[WIcruizer]

This was not part of the original plan. It only happened because of the outrage.

Regardless of whether this is true or not, frankly it doesn't change your situation. Yes, it stinks... but whether they make $1,000,000 or $1 it doesn't justify workers getting paid 500% more than counterparts in China.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

Regardless of whether this is true or not, frankly it doesn't change your situation. Yes, it stinks... but whether they make $1,000,000 or $1 it doesn't justify workers getting paid 500% more than counterparts in China.

Yeah, but only if the US workers move to China to live. No family can live on $9.00/hr anywhere in the US. The entire situation stinks!

 

[Miss Jasmine]

Yeah, but only if the US workers move to China to live. No family can live on $9.00/hr anywhere in the US. The entire situation stinks!

Yeah but how many of us are making $27 an hour? It's these ridiculous union wages that are causing some of the problems. If some raises had not been given in the past then maybe a 65% cut would not be needed now. Perhaps if the union negotiated some other sort of pay/benefit reduction PRIOR to bankruptcy it wouldn't be taking such a hit now. The fact of the matter is that many bankruptcies occur so that the union contracts can be broken. If the unions were proactive and reopened up collective bargaining PRIOR to the bankruptcy some of this could be avoided.

 

[tmt martins]

I say accept and give them 35% output .my company has been cutting and cutting while the IVORY TOWERS have been taking the money and running .You have no true protection as the GOV has ties to these big companies and will always side with them.

We only have ourselves to blame for letting them (GOV>CEO"S) to continue to walk allover us.

 

[MrsNick]

Yeah but how many of us are making $27 an hour? It's these ridiculous union wages that are causing some of the problems. If some raises had not been given in the past then maybe a 65% cut would not be needed now. Perhaps if the union negotiates some other sort of pay/benefit reduction PRIOR to bankruptcy it wouldn't be taking such a hit now. The fact of the matter is that many bankruptices occur so that the union contracts can be broken. If the unions were proactive and reopened up collective bargaining PRIOR to the bankruptcy some of this could be avoided.

JMHO, but I don't think the point is "how many of us are making $27 an hour." How would you feel if your boss said, we're cutting your wage by two-thirds, and someone said to you, well how many Chinese are making what you make an hour?

Cost of living in some places (especially the Northeast) makes $27 an hour a living wage, and not much more, while in other areas of America, someone might be very comfortable on that salary. That's why companies should not be comparing American wages to Chinese wages. You can't live on Chinese wages in an American economy.

If companies want to pay Chinese wages in America, then they should also only charge Chinese prices for their products when they do business in America.

Except, they want to have their cake and eat it, too. They want to pay low to Americans and sell high to Americans. And I think playing the Bankruptcy card is a dirty way to do extort people to accept any working condition.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

JMHO, but I don't think the point is "how many of us are making $27 an hour." How would you feel if your boss said, we're cutting your wage by two-thirds, and someone said to you, well how many Chinese are making what you make an hour?

Cost of living in some places (especially the Northeast) makes $27 an hour a living wage, and not much more, while in other areas of America, someone might be very comfortable on that salary. That's why companies should not be comparing American wages to Chinese wages. You can't live on Chinese wages in an American economy.

If companies want to pay Chinese wages in America, then they should also only charge Chinese prices for their products when they do business in America.

Except, they want to have their cake and eat it, too. They want to pay low to Americans and sell high to Americans. And I think playing the Bankruptcy card is a dirty way to do extort people to accept any working condition.

Just my 2 cents.

To add:

$27.00 per hour X a 40 hour work week only equals a little over $1000/week, pre-tax. Noone's getting rich on those wages, believe me! I'd say that if you have a family with 2 kids and one stay at home parent, you're just about breaking even in a large majority of the US.

 

[Chicago526]

I put "quit" but I personally would stay until I found another job. Some income is better than none, and it will help suport the family until another job is lined up.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

To add:

$27.00 per hour X a 40 hour work week only equals a little over $1000/week, pre-tax. Noone's getting rich on those wages, believe me! I'd say that if you have a family with 2 kids and one stay at home parent, you're just about breaking even in a large majority of the US.

Pre-tax that is over $56,000 a year. What is the median income of the US? I'm sorry but I have a difficult time believing that these positions are worth $27 an hour plus benefits. NO MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE.

 

[bicker]

It's really too bad, but take this as an opportunity to look into higher paying, "here to stay" jobs like med assistant, computer programming, and many others.

Myth alert! Computer Programming is not a "here to stay" job.

 

[Chicago526]

Myth alert! Computer Programming is not a "here to stay" job.

Yup, being shipped overseas in a hurry. A lot of people who lost jobs in the 90's and retrained for programing jobs in the 00's are now facing lay offs and having to retrain for a 3rd career.

I swear, I'm going to make my kids be plumber's and electricians. Try outsourcing THOSE jobs!

 

[bicker]

Except, they want to have their cake and eat it, too.

There's a lot of that going around. We all want a financially-secure retirement. Yet most of us seek to assure that by investing -- relying on the profit of businesses to fund our old age. How can we expect a high rate of return while expecting businesses to pay high wages and charge low prices?

And I think playing the Bankruptcy card is a dirty way to do extort people to accept any working condition.

I think this is taking things too personally. There is no "dirty" about it. It's a rational business decision, exercising responsible judgement as is required by the fiduciary obligations placed on corporate managers.

 

[WIcruizer]

I can't believe this attitude. Companies should pay whatever we think they should pay in wages. You're all living in denial. This is supply and demand. If a company doesn't provide wages, benefits, or working environment you don't like, move on! There is a limited market for "unskilled" labor, especially in the NE. This has been going on for a long time, it really shouldn't be a shock.

Computer programmrs WAS a bad example, but there are plenty of other occupations that are understaffed. It depends on geography, but we need a lot of people in the medical field, accountants, engineers, electricians, plumbers, masons, teachers, truck drivers, I could go on and on. I would suggest to ANY "unskilled" laborer that they better GET skilled. Page through catalogues from tech schools and see if something interests you.

In 10 years there won't be any factory jobs that pay $50,000. The only exception may be the big 3 auto makers with the clout those unions have.

 

[bicker]

There is actually a limited market for "skilled" labor too. Being skilled, or even degreed, is no guarantee of anything anymore. It's a big bad scary world out there, and if you don't look at what it takes to do well for yours like the struggle it actually is, you're going to end up being pretty badly shocked at how badly life will treat you.