A serious question to consider

What the heck....Your right!
We shouldn't vote for Obama because according to you,
(& you have been to the town where he used to go to church, so you're an expert?) he might have gone (even though he says he didn't) to church on 9/16/01 and he might have been at one of the masses Rev. Wright was saying. So in theory, he could have heard something controversial.:scared1:
Yeah your right....that's it, I'm not voting for Obama!:rotfl2: :laughing: :lmao: :rotfl2: :lmao: :laughing:
This is the most pathetic thread I've seen in a while, the desperation is getting comical!!
All the republican imaginations will be very relieved on election day, as they need a rest!;)
If you are happy with a candidate that has shown poor judgement for the last 20 years with his relationships, and then flat out lies to the American people about it, and attempts to stop using facist tactics against any news organization who attempts to look into it, go right ahead.

He didn't bend the truth about his relationships, he didn't put spin on it, he lied. It goes to his credibility. Which is what he has none of. Same amout of credibility as he has experience. None.
 
But you see that is their game, if he went to church that day... DONT VOTE FOR HIM.

If he did not go to church at that time of healing... DONT VOTE FOR HIM.

But you see, this isn't a game. If he went to church that day, thats fine. But in that case he lied. He said he never heard anything like the vitriol that Wright has put out. He lied. But thats ok with the his followers. He can lie all he wants, and it's not a problem. Lets talk about clothes that were bought for Palin. Not clothes she bought, but clothes that were bought for her. After all, that is more a key of what her ethics will be, much more than catching the Presidential Candidate in lie after lie after lie. Please. Try to spin some more.
 
That is why some of us are not happy with McCain.
Really? How many boards has he served on with terrorists? Or, if you prefer, admitted anarchists?

How many houses has he received from convicted felons? How many millions in political favors has he given to that felon?

How many racist churches has he attended? Not how many racist reverends have endorsed him (each has an equal number) but how many racist churches has he attended?
 

But you see, this isn't a game. If he went to church that day, thats fine. But in that case he lied. He said he never heard anything like the vitriol that Wright has put out. He lied. But thats ok with the his followers. He can lie all he wants, and it's not a problem. Lets talk about clothes that were bought for Palin. Not clothes she bought, but clothes that were bought for her. After all, that is more a key of what her ethics will be, much more than catching the Presidential Candidate in lie after lie after lie. Please. Try to spin some more.

Don't you get it? The OS know he's lying and they DON'T CARE. If he was or wasn't in church that particular sunday doen't mean he didn't know reverend Wright held those views. NOBODY is dumb enough to believe that. They know and they don't care. SAD
 
Really? How many boards has he served on with terrorists? Or, if you prefer, admitted anarchists?

How many houses has he received from convicted felons? How many millions in political favors has he given to that felon?

How many racist churches has he attended? Not how many racist reverends have endorsed him (each has an equal number) but how many racist churches has he attended?

I did not claim he did any of the above, I quoted you "poor judgement for the last 20 years with his relationships", that fits McCain perfectly.

And I dont have to resort to weak connect the dot mentality.
 
But you see, this isn't a game. If he went to church that day, thats fine. He said he did not. Prove that he is lying. But in that case he lied. he said he did not go to church that day, in what case? He said he never heard anything like the vitriol that Wright has put out. He lied. But thats ok with the his followers.What is? He can lie all he wants,show us where he lied and it's not a problem. Lets talk about clothes that were bought for Palin. Not clothes she bought, but clothes that were bought for her. After all, that is more a key of what her ethics will be, much more than catching the Presidential Candidate in lie after lie after lie. Please. Try to spin some more.spin what?:laughing:

I still don't see where he lied is this all just hypothetical?
 
I think on that Sunday after 9/11, I was working at the news station, covering 9/11 aftermath stuff....but it's also possible I was off that day too. Can't remember. I know I wasn't in church though.
 
I did not claim he did any of the above, I quoted you "poor judgement for the last 20 years with his relationships", that fits McCain perfectly.

And I dont have to resort to weak connect the dot mentality.
Weak connect the dot mentality? I ask you about the poor judgement compared to each other and thats the best argument you can produce? For the last 20 years, Barack Obama's spritual adviser has been a racist, his financial advisor is now a convicted felon who may end up providing evidence against him, his work advisor is an unrepentant terrorist, an admitted anarchist. How is McCains judgement so much poorer?
 
I think on that Sunday after 9/11, I was working at the news station, covering 9/11 aftermath stuff....but it's also possible I was off that day too. Can't remember. I know I wasn't in church though.
And what political office had you been elected to prior to 9/11?
 
Weak connect the dot mentality?

This whole thread and McCain campaign.

Connect

Dot A: 9/11 attacks
Dot B: Everyone getting closer to god
Dot C: Wright gave racist sermon that Sunday
Dot D: WHERE was Obama, he MIGHT HAVE heard it
Dot E: If Obama heard it and did not walk out he is bad for the US
Dot F: If Obama was not in church, WHY NOT, IS HE UN AMERICAN?



No connecting of Dots needed to show McCains judgment in relationships.

He and his family did go on free vacations with a convicted FELON
He did accept contributions from a Convicted Felon
He did CHEAT on his SPOUSE
He did intervene with the federal regulators on behalf of a convicted FELON
 
Don't you get it? The OS know he's lying and they DON'T CARE. If he was or wasn't in church that particular sunday doen't mean he didn't know reverend Wright held those views. NOBODY is dumb enough to believe that. They know and they don't care. SAD

You know what us Obama supporters care about? Do you really want to know?

ISSUES!!!!!!!!!

Is that so difficult to comprehend? That the Bush era with McCain right next to him the whole time on policies have led us into this royal mess we're in, the wars, the economy, going bankrupt due to healthcare costs, energy costs, etc. and we want a way out! McCain's way is Bush's way and we already know, we're seeing it right now every day. That road leads to further chaos and economic disaster.

We have the choice of another path, sure it may not be perfect, probably far from it, but it's the best we can do to undo the last 8 years.

Picture it like this: You're careening down a path in a car with no brakes...its heading toward a lake...suddenly you see a path you can steer toward, and it looks like a clearing on the other side, now it's a bumpy road and there could be some trouble along the way, but right now the only alternative choice you have to keep from drowning is that path.

See, those of us who support Obama know he's not perfect, we didn't put these "saviour" labels on him, he is a politician, plain and simple, he manipulates the system the way ALL politicians do.

But we see that he seems to be correct on the important issues to us. That is all that matters.
 
Don't you get it? The OS know he's lying and they DON'T CARE. If he was or wasn't in church that particular sunday doen't mean he didn't know reverend Wright held those views. NOBODY is dumb enough to believe that. They know and they don't care. SAD

You're right. They simply don't care because Obama = Utopia. It doesn't matter what he's done or his associations. All will be good because that's what they want it to be regardless of the facts.

The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. If you have someone that sits in a church for 20, count 'em, 20 years you either have someone that has absolutely no moral backbone to stand up in opposition to these beliefs or you have someone that believes them. Given that Obama was married by Wright and had his children baptised by this racist, speaks volumes to Obama's belief system. Obama dumped Wright and the church only when he needed to in order to further his career and not because he all of a sudden woke up and decided to grow a pair and stand up against racist preachings.
 
You're right. They simply don't care because Obama = Utopia. It doesn't matter what he's done or his associations. All will be good because that's what they want it to be regardless of the facts.

The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. If you have someone that sits in a church for 20, count 'em, 20 years you either have someone that has absolutely no moral backbone to stand up in opposition to these beliefs or you have someone that believes them. Given that Obama was married by Wright and had his children baptised by this racist, speaks volumes to Obama's belief system. Obama dumped Wright and the church only when he needed to in order to further his career. Not because he all of a sudden woke up and decided to grow a pair and stand up against racist preachings.


Really, that is just an unfair, broadbrush generalization. As someone who is a Republican, who voted for Bush at least once, I'm kind of offended. I don't think Obama is Utopia. But you're correct that I don't pay attention too much to the associations, especially since they are unproven as of yet. I"m not sure I'll care if they are. McCain has his own associations that are so hypocritically downplayed. And really, it doesn't matter. I'm just trying to get out of the muck and mire that we are in and I don't see that happening with McCain. Please don't paint me as some starry-eyed moron because I don't like "your guy."

And so, the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior? Well, if a man can cheat on his wife who stood by him through his rambunctious youth and war trials, bears his children, and then cheats on her because she's no longer beauty queen material--well what will that same man do to his country? He couldn't even keep the most sacred of vows. This was the same argument used against Bill Clinton by the Republicans. He cheated on his wife, he'll cheat the country. He broke his vows to his wife, what will he do to the country. I didn't particularly care for Bill Clinton at the time and was firmly Republican but that "witch hunt" cost this country a lot and was the beginning of the Republicans' fall from grace IMO. For both men, I'm am not going to get caught up in the associations and the maritial indiscretions because I don't believe either will affect their ability to run the country. But you can't pick apart one candidate and look the other way for the other one.
 
Holy crap, who cares. maybe he went to Baskin Robins for a double scoop of jamoca almond fudge and went back home to have a conjugal visit with his lovely wife.

I mean, seriously....

You can nit pick to till the cows come home. OK, my turn...I still wanna know how Cindy McCain served not time for stealing SHIPMENTS of narcotics for personal use. I wanna know who John McCain made a deal with.

How much longer do you want to play this petty game.

(psssssst.....did you heat that Obama may not have a legitimate birth certificate....)



Oh snore.

Agreed. The number of non-issues this past week seems in direct proportion to McCain's dip in the polls....
 
His daughter Sasha was born in 2001. Maybe he was busy.
 
His daughter Sasha was born in 2001. Maybe he was busy.
She was born in June.

For those of you who say you didn't go to church on 9/16 (as I didn't) did you say how important your faith was to you? To Obama, it was a critical part of his life. It was also a critical part of the life of my boss at the time, who was in Toronto. You know what kept him from attending church with his family that Sunday? Nothing, he was there, back in Chicago.

For those who implied that 3 1/2 hours was too far to travel, Toronto is a little further. My total travel time from work to home was 1 1/2 hours each day. You know what kept me from my kids on that day? Nothing. I was there.

I know this isn't going to change anyone's minds. However how many threads have been posted regarding the ethics of Sarah Palin? How many threads about how George Bush lied time after time (even the times he didn't)? How many have said this isn't an issue but they are voting for Obama because they don't want 4 more years of George Bush and his lies?

Barack Obama is exactly what he looks like - a Chicago politician. He's very good giving speeches, he has a lot of style and only far left substance.
 
This whole thread and McCain campaign.......



No connecting of Dots needed to show McCains judgment in relationships.

He and his family did go on free vacations with a convicted FELON
He did accept contributions from a Convicted Felon
He did CHEAT on his SPOUSE
He did intervene with the federal regulators on behalf of a convicted FELON

McCain: The Most Reprehensible of the Keating Five
The story of "the Keating Five" has become a scandal rivaling Teapot Dome and Watergate
By Tom Fitzpatrick
Published on November 29, 1989


You're John McCain, a fallen hero who wanted to become president so desperately that you sold yourself to Charlie Keating, the wealthy con man who bears such an incredible resemblance to The Joker.Subject(s):
John Mc John McCain, Keating FiveObviously, Keating thought you could make it to the White House, too.
He poured $112,000 into your political campaigns. He became your friend. He threw fund raisers in your honor. He even made a sweet shopping-center investment deal for your wife, Cindy. Your father-in-law, Jim Hensley, was cut in on the deal, too.

Nothing was too good for you. Why not? Keating saw you as a prime investment that would pay off in the future.

So he flew you and your family around the country in his private jets. Time after time, he put you up for serene, private vacations at his vast, palatial spa in the Bahamas. All of this was so grand. You were protected from what Thomas Hardy refers to as "the madding crowd." It was almost as though you were already staying at a presidential retreat.

Like the old song, that now seems "Long ago and far away."

Since Keating's collapse, you find yourself doing obscene things to save yourself from the Senate Ethics Committee's investigation. As a matter of course, you engage in backbiting behavior that will turn you into an outcast in the Senate if you do survive.

They say that if you put five lobsters into a pot and give them a chance to escape, none will be able to do so before you light the fire. Each time a lobster tries to climb over the top, his fellow lobsters will pull him back down. It is the way of lobsters and threatened United States senators.

And, of course, that's the way it is with the Keating Five. You are all battling to save your own hides. So you, McCain, leak to reporters about who did Keating's bidding in pressuring federal regulators to change the rules for Lincoln Savings and Loan.

When the reporters fail to print your tips quickly enough--as in the case of your tip on Michigan Senator Donald Riegle--you call them back and remind them how important it is to get that information in the newspapers.

The story of "the Keating Five" has become a scandal rivaling Teapot Dome and Watergate. The outcome will be decided, not in a courtroom, but probably on national television.

Those who survive will be the sociopaths who can tell a lie with the most sincere, straight face. You are especially adept at this.

Last Friday night, on The John McLaughlin Show, which features well-known Washington journalists, the subject of the Keating Five was discussed. Panelist Jack Germond suggested that three of the Keating Five were probably already through in politics.

So you spend your days desperately trying to make sure you will be one of the survivors. You keep volunteering to go on radio and television stations to protest your innocence. Last week you made ABC's Nightline.

Not long before that you somehow managed to get James Kilpatrick, the national columnist, to write a favorable paragraph about you. Last Sunday morning, you made it to national television again; this time on ABC's This Week With David Brinkley. You smiled at the panel with your usual studied insouciance. Sitting next to you was Senator John Glenn of Ohio.

Brinkley, Sam Donaldson, and George Will were the interrogators.
It was a sobering scene. There you sat with Glenn, both sweating before the cameras, waiting to answer questions: two badly tarnished American icons.

No one forgets that Glenn was the first American astronaut to orbit the Earth. You won't let anyone forget that you were a prisoner of war. But you have played that tune too long. By now your constant reminders about your war record make you seem like a modern version of Arthur Miller's tragic failure Willy Loman.

Clearly, both you and Glenn sold your fame for Charles Keating's money.

It was a Faustian bargain. It was also a bad joke on the rest of us and a disaster for many old people who lost their life's savings to Keating.

The money was never really Keating's to give. But he never would have got his hands on it if you and the rest of the Keating Five didn't halt the government takeover for two long years while Keating's people continued their looting.

And now, the tab for the Savings and Loan heist must be paid from taxpayer pockets.

On Sunday, Senators Dennis DeConcini, Alan Cranston, and Riegle refused offers to appear on the Brinkley show. What must we make of that?

You, the closest of them to Keating and the deepest in his debt, have chosen the path of the hard sell. You may even make it out of the pot, but to many, your protestations of innocence taste like gall.

You are determined to bluff your way. You will stick to your story that you were acting to help a constituent and intended to do nothing improper. The very fact you attended the meeting makes you guilty, just as every man who entered the Brinks vault went to prison.

You insist that an accounting firm Keating hired told you Lincoln was sound. Alan Greenspan, who Keating also hired, wrote a report saying it was sound. Why shouldn't you believe the people Keating hired? You were, after all, fellow employees.


Just keep telling everyone that it was your wife's money invested in that shopping center with Keating and that you knew nothing about it.

Keep saying that cynical newspaper people don't understand that every move you make has always been for the enrichment of Arizona . . . the education of our Native Americans on the reservations . . . for the love of the elderly in Sun City and Green Valley.

Keep telling them that it wasn't that you were bought off but that Charlie Keating got special help only because he was one of the biggest employers in the state.

Just keep sitting there and staring into the camera and denying that Keating bought you for money and jet plane trips and vacations.

So what if he gave you $112,000? Just keep smiling at the cameras and saying you did nothing wrong.

Maybe the voters will understand you took those tiring trips to Charlie's place in the Bahamas in their behalf. Certainly, they can understand you wanted to take your family along. A senator deserves to travel on private jets, removed from the awful crush of public transportation.

You sought out a master criminal like Keating and became his friend. Now you've discarded him. It shouldn't be surprising that you are now in the process of selling out your senatorial accomplices.

You're John McCain, clearly the guiltiest, most culpable and reprehensible of the Keating Five. But you know the power of television and you realize this is the only way you can possibly save your political career.


Link:

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1989-11-29/news/mccain-the-most-reprehensible-of-the-keating-five/1
 
But you're correct that I don't pay attention too much to the associations, especially since they are unproven as of yet.

Huh? Obama's connections to Ayers, Rezko, Wright, Odinga, Khalidi, Flager, Davis ... to mention a few....are unproven? I guess, folks just made all these connections up? These "connections" just add to why I would never vote for him. It goes straight to his lack of judgement and character.
 

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