A serious question to consider

It's sad and amazing that you don't believe what your eyes and ears have told you about BO. You want to believe in fantasy be my guest but you're right I will NOT be voting for him. Many of you refuse to believe in any evidence. I think you all would vote for him no matter what he says or does. Not very smart in my opinion.:confused:

You're right. I live in a fantasy land and I'm not very smart...:rolleyes: That is the EXACT reason I'm voting for Barack Obama.

Many of "us" are not so blind as to only see one side of the story. We are able to see the reality of the situation...and not only believe the anti-Obama news spin.

Really? Is this for real?

How petty is this getting? And be honest.

People don't care. They don't care about character attacks that are based in falsehoods. They don't care that John McCain and his campaign choose to do nothing but attack "the man" Attack the policies? Heck no! Let's attack the man himself.

People don't care. People don't care. I'll say it again. People don't care.

People DO care that our economy is in ruins. People DO care that they don't have health care for themselves or their loved ones. People DO care that our educational system is down the crapper.

But, by all means...let's continue to focus on where Barack Obama was or wasn't on September 16th, 2001. It's workin' like a charm. :rolleyes:
 
Huh? Obama's connections to Ayers, Rezko, Wright, Odinga, Khalidi, Flager, Davis ... to mention a few....are unproven? I guess, folks just made all these connections up? These "connections" just add to why I would never vote for him. It goes straight to his lack of judgement and character.

Proof of McCain's lack of judgement:

Adultery

For a guy campaigning on family values, John McCain has broken up a lot of marriages. When he met his first wife (a swimsuit model), she was married to naval academy classmate of his. After he broke that marriage up, she stuck by him loyally as he went off to war and was a prisoner for 5 and a half years. When he returned to America, though, he found out that she had been in a car wreck and wasn't as pretty. So he had a series of affairs, by his own admission, and dumped his wife and adopted family for a younger, very rich blond (now Cindy McCain.) Cindy, the daughter of a wealthy Budweiser beer distributor, was addicted to prescription narcotics and even stole hard drugs from a medical charity that she ran. In February, 2008, the New York Times ran a big article about the unusually close relationship between John McCain and a young telecommunications lobbyist named Vicki Iseman (who looks uncannily like Cindy McCain did when SHE was 25). They became so close that his staff, convinced they were having an affair, confronted both McCain and Iseman, telling them to back off. Now, a lot of people have criticized the Times for hinting without actually saying that McCain had sexual relations with that woman. But really, it doesn't matter. It's a matter of record that he accepted money and favors from her, spent a lot of time for her, and did favors for her clients. Among other things, McCain wrote two letters -- from a draft provided by Vicki Iseman -- to the head of the Federal Communications Commission -- which was way out of line, since McCain headed the Senate Commmerce Committee, which controls the FCC. McCain's pressure was so outrageous that, even though McCain was in charge of funding his commission, the FCC commissioner wrote a letter back rebuking him for his interference, at the height of McCain's "ethics in government" campaign.

So, was McCain sleeping with her, hoping to sleep with her, or being subconsciously manipulated by a cute young woman? It doesn't really matter. He was being led by his groin into ethical violations. Let's face it, he was 64 at the time and is 72 now. Whether he is still cheating or not, he seems to be led by his dick; witness the videos of McCain checking out Sarah Palin's butt during the speech where he introduced her.



Gambling at the $15 dollar minimum-bet tables if not higher (in some cases, he has been seen betting $100 chips). This has been confirmed by his top campaign aides over the years (Mark Salter and John Weaver). His longtime friend Wes Gullet says they would play in Vegas for 14 hours at a time, (10am to midnight), and that McCain is superstitious, blowing on the dice and such. It's not hard to see his love of gambling in his political choices, such as Sarah Palin for VP. All very exciting when he's gambling his own money or his campaign; but if America has a showdown with Russia over some neighboring country, that might be a bit less charming. And McCain's entire presidential campaign has been a series of high-risk, high-stakes gambles, which is not a good sign for what his presidency would be like.

Founding Member of the Keating 5 Back in the old days, defendants in famous trials got numbers -- the Chicago Eight, the Gang of Four, the Dave Clark Five, the Daytona 500. McCain was one of the "Keating Five," congressmen investigated on ethics charges for strenuously helping convicted racketeer Charles Keating after he gave them large campaign contributions and vacation trips.

Charles Keating was convicted of racketeering and fraud in both state and federal court after his Lincoln Savings & Loan collapsed, costing the taxpayers $3.4 billion. His convictions were overturned on technicalities; for example, the federal conviction was overturned because jurors had heard about his state conviction, and his state charges because Judge Lance Ito (yes, that judge) screwed up jury instructions. Neither court cleared him, and he faces new trials in both courts.)

McCain intervened on behalf of Charles Keating after Keating gave McCain at least $112,00 in contributions. In the mid-1980s, McCain made at least 9 trips on Keating's airplanes, and 3 of those were to Keating's luxurious retreat in the Bahamas. McCain's wife and father-in-law also were the largest investors (at $350,000) in a Keating shopping center; the Phoenix New Times called it a "sweetheart deal."

McCain was not convicted of any crimes, though the Senate concluded that he exercised "poor judgment." (Furthermore, he got off on some charges by a technicality -- that he was still in the House when he took those vacation trips, and so the Senate couldn't prosecute him. The House concluded that THEY couldn't prosecute him because he had moved to the Senate.)

That New Time Religion John McCain grew up Episcopalian. He went to an Episcopalian high school. For at least 15 years, he has been listed as an Episcopalian in authoritative directories such as the Almanac of American Politics and Congressional Quarterly's Politics in America 2008. He told a reporter from McClatchy News Service in June 2007 that he was an Episcopalian.

Suddenly, in September 2007, he's campaigning in South Carolina, the heavily Baptist state where George W. Bush barely managed to stop McCain's presidential campaign 8 years ago. And guess what? McCain tells a reporter "By the way, I'm not Episcopalian. I'm Baptist."

When pressed, he said he's attended the North Phoenix Baptist Church in Arizona for more than 15 years, though he has never been baptized in that church. Now see, that's exactly the problem. Baptism is kind of a big thing in the Baptist Church. (That's how they got the name.) No baptism, not Baptist.

Anyway, details aside, this is one very clear indication of how McCain has changed. Now, he's just another hungry politician, happy to pander if it helps him win. Which eliminates the very reason people were excited about him in 2000 -- his honesty.



Mafia Ties Arizona
(which borders Nevada) has long had a serious presence. In the 1970s, a reporter was assassinated for looking into them. In 1995, McCain sent birthday regards, and regrets for not attending, to Joseph "Joe Bananas" Bonano, the head of the New York Bonano crime family, who had retired to Arizona. Another politician to send regrets was Governor Fife Symington, who has since been kicked out of office and convicted of 7 felonies relating to fraud and extortion.



Junkie Wife Cindy McCain, McCain's frighteningly skinny second wife, is quite a presence in his campaign. She is out giving speeches and attacking Barack Obama on ethical grounds. But her only record is far from clean, not even counting the fact that she seduced McCain when he was a married father of four. Cindy and her father -- who have hundreds of millions of dollar from her dad's Budweiser distributorship -- invested in one of convicted banker Charles Keatings projects, even as her husband was helping him fight off bank regulators in the days before Keatings savings and loan went bankrupt. Cindy has refused to release her tax returns, making it impossible to tell what other conflicts of interest she may be hiding.

But most dramatically, Cindy was a serious narcotics addict who created a charity for sick children (American Voluntary Medical Team or AVMT), then used it to get fraudulent prescriptions for Vicodin and Percocet. And a whistleblower from her staff says that John McCain and his senate staffers helped Cindy smuggle her ill-gotten narcotics through customs.

Tom Gosinski was fired from AVMT after expressing concerns about her addiction and habit of writing prescriptions in other people's names to get drugs. He says that John McCain himself got her a diplomatic passport, which prevents customs officials from searching her bags, and his aides Mark Salter and Torie Clarke coordinated with him (Gosinski) on Cindy's logistics for his trips abroad. (Mark Salter is still one of McCain's top aides.) In 1993, Gosinski told the Drug Enforcement Agency that Cindy wrote false prescriptions in his name that year. McCain claims he didn't know Cindy was an addict when he got her a diplomatic passport, but that's hard to believe since she had a stretch in rehab back in 1991. Cindy McCain faced 20 years in prison for obtaining "a controlled substance by misrepresenting, fraud, forgery, deception or subterfuge." With a wealthy father, high-priced lawyer and Senator husband, she got the lightest possible punishment -- charges were dropped in return for her entering rehab. Any regular, much less poor person who had written fraudulent prescriptions, stolen narcotics from a charity and smuggled them around the world would have received several years in prison. Her doctor, for one, lost his license and never practiced again.

Ironically, this incident was a rare care where John McCain was NOT able to control how the press reported about him. (While his supporters are now claiming the media is biased against McCain, he has been the biggest media favorite of any candidate in either party for 20 years.) In the Gosinski case, he was fired in January of 1993, and he thought it was because he raised the issue of addiction. He went to the DEA first, then a year later filed suit for wrongful firing. The McCains went to the police charging that Gosinski was blackmailing them, because he offered to settle for $250,000. This doesn't really make sense, because a blackmailer doesn't go public or go to the police -- that's what you try to get money for NOT doing. But the heavy-handed effort launched investigations which put the whole business in the public record, which allowed the media to get hold of it.



Sources


"For McCain, Self-Confidence on Ethics Poses Its Own Risk", New York Times, February 21, 2008, pA1

"McCain Says He's Been Baptist For Years", by Bruce Smith, The Associated Press, September 12, 2007



Candidates' Vices: Craps and Poker, by Michael Sherer and Michael Weisskopf, Time Magazine, July 2, 2008

"Profiles: McCain's Party", by Connie Bruck, New Yorker Magazine, May 30, 2005

"Candidates invite questions about their faith", by Stephen Dinan, Washington Times, September 18, 2007

"The Pampered Politician", by Amy Silverman, The Phoenix New Times, May 15, 1997

"See John Run Off at the Mouth", Phoenix New Times, October 1, 1998

"Opiate for the Mrs.", Phoenix New Times, September 8, 1994

"Flashes: What's Up, Murdoch?", Phoenix New Times, September 17, 1998

the US Veteran's Dispatch web site.

"Symington Gets Slammer", Phoenix New Times, February 2, 1998

Election 98: Arizona Governor, Fox News web site, 1998 coverage (no longer on web)



"Keating Gets New Trial", CNNfn Web Site, December 2, 1996

"No More Wagging,", (editorial) by Maureen Dowd, The New York Times, January 3, 1999

"John McCain, rock-and-roll dad", by Andrew Essex, The New Yorker Magazine, December 6, 1999 p52

"Unmasking Darth McCain", by William Cleeland, The Daily Illini, March 9, 2001

"Interview: John McCain", By Jason Vest, Mother Jones Magazine, November/December 1998

"Famed McCain Temper is Tamed", By Michael Kranish Boston Globe, January 27, 2008

"How Cindy McCain was outed for drug addiction ", by Amy Silverman, Salon.com, Oct. 18, 1999

Dealing with a Drug Demon", by Kimberly Kindy, Fort Wayne Journal Gazette, September 14, 2008

"A Tangled Story of Addiction: Consequences of Cindy McCain's Drug Abuse Were More Complex Than She Has Portrayed", By Kimberly Kindy, Washington Post, September 12, 2008; Page A01

Link:

http://www.realchange.org/mccain.htm
 
I have said before and will say again: I am not supporting McCain, or defending McCain or anything else. Personally, I think I may just skip this election, because we don't have much of a choice. The thing is in debates likes this it goes from what Obama did (or didn't do) to what McCain did (or didn't do). Whatever McCain did (or didn't) do; it doesn't change the fact that in this particular thing--Obama's association with Wright--Obama has to be lying or fudging the truth or whatever you want to call it.

You just cannot know someone for 20 years, and truthfully call them your "spiritual adviser" and not know their belief system. Especially when at some point (maybe not on the 16th) you have listened to this person's sermons. There are many people in my life that I have known for 20 years. Some are friends, some are personal acquaintances, some I know through my kids, some through church and some from my work or my husbands work. I can tell you the one's that have the same belief system that I do. I am not just talking about religious beliefs--I am also talking about morals and ethics. I know which ones are racist (or have racist tendencies) or have issues with religions other than their own--and I can truthfully assure you that these are NOT the ones I call friend. Not because I asked them because if you talk to someone over the course of 20 years at some point its going to become apparent.

I mean I do hope if the man calls Wright his "spiritual adviser" that he has actually had conversations with the man.

As for everything else, I don't know who is lying and who is telling the truth. These are grown men. They have lived lives, just as we all have. Is anyone on this board totally free of any unethical or immoral activities over the course of their entire life? Probably not. I don't expect either of them to be perfect. I expect the drunk driving record, I expect the drug experimentation. I expect the usual mistakes and things that most people would rather the whole country not know about--they are human. I even expect the association with people that they shouldn't. All I would ask is that when faced with it, they tell the truth. Say, yes I made a mistake. Not sugar coat it, not deny it; just apologize for the mistake and move on. I would have a lot more respect for either one of them that way. If he would have just said, I knew, but this is why I remained at the church. . . and this is why I don't believe what Wright believes but continued the association with him . . . At least that would have made more sense.
 
Yes, this is a question about Barack Obama. One of the things he says is that he was never in the church when Reverand Wright was making one of his now famous statements.

One of his more outrageious statements was made on September 16th, 2001. It was after 9/11. Can you remember where you were on that date? In the churches, there were more people there than on Christmas or Easter. Now, Senator Obama claims he was a member of this church. So the Sunday after 9/11, he wasn't in the church he was a member of? At a time in our country when everyone was getting close with family and with their faith, he stayed away?

I don't believe it.

I definitely think he's downplaying his awareness of Wright's message (which, IME, isn't an unusual message at all - I've heard similar sentiments from preachers in black churches in my area), but I don't think I'd use that sermon as a "gotcha". As a state senator, it is likely he was either preoccupied with helping to organize his area's relief efforts and/or was in the capitol rather than at home in Chicago.
 

She was born in June.

For those of you who say you didn't go to church on 9/16 (as I didn't) did you say how important your faith was to you? To Obama, it was a critical part of his life. It was also a critical part of the life of my boss at the time, who was in Toronto. You know what kept him from attending church with his family that Sunday? Nothing, he was there, back in Chicago.

For those who implied that 3 1/2 hours was too far to travel, Toronto is a little further. My total travel time from work to home was 1 1/2 hours each day. You know what kept me from my kids on that day? Nothing. I was there.
Sorry but you are not making sense, are you saying Obama was at home with his kids on that Sun. or that he drove 3 1/2 hours to church & is now lying about it?
What your driving 1 1/2 hrs has to do with anything I don't know:confused3
I still don't see where Obama lied.
I consider myself a spiritual person & I don't think I was in church that Sunday. I was probably at home with my infant (a few months older than Obama's daughter. Does that make me a liar somehow?
Keep talking about how honest your ethically challenged Mavericks are though!:thumbsup2


I know this isn't going to change anyone's minds. However how many threads have been posted regarding the ethics of Sarah Palin? How many threads about how George Bush lied time after time (even the times he didn't)? How many have said this isn't an issue but they are voting for Obama because they don't want 4 more years of George Bush and his lies?

Barack Obama is exactly what he looks like - a Chicago politician. He's very good giving speeches, he has a lot of style and only far left substance.

:confused3
 
Good grief, nobody believes Barack Obama wasn't in his church when his pastor went on anti-American, anti-Jew, anti-white rants, including the reporters who reported that nonsense. Everyone knows he heard that and much, much worse over those 20 years. They just don't care! Those who have seen the rants and still support Obama either agree largely with Wright's assessment of America and the "evil Jews" and the "evil whites" or they believe it's possible to sit through such venom and parse the pastor's words — you know, take in the God stuff and leave out the racist stuff.

Moreover, Obama was in that church for political expediency, and everyone understands that as well. He was getting his street cred in a black neighborhood — he as much as said so in his 2 books. He would have sat through anything because it was a means to an end — his political career. His membership in that church had nothing at all to do with religion; it was all about ambition, and if he had to sit through a few racist screeds to get where he wanted to go, well it was a very small price to pay. As soon as he got to the top of the political heap, he dumped that church and its pastor as fast as he could. He didn't need them anymore; they had served their purpose.

Discuss it all you want, but please stop with the "Obama wasn't there when those things were said" nonsense. It's ridiculous. He was there. Everyone knows it. Some just do not care.
 
You're right. I live in a fantasy land and I'm not very smart...:rolleyes: That is the EXACT reason I'm voting for Barack Obama.

Many of "us" are not so blind as to only see one side of the story. We are able to see the reality of the situation...and not only believe the anti-Obama news spin.

Really? Is this for real?

How petty is this getting? And be honest.

People don't care. They don't care about character attacks that are based in falsehoods. They don't care that John McCain and his campaign choose to do nothing but attack "the man" Attack the policies? Heck no! Let's attack the man himself.

People don't care. People don't care. I'll say it again. People don't care.

People DO care that our economy is in ruins. People DO care that they don't have health care for themselves or their loved ones. People DO care that our educational system is down the crapper.

But, by all means...let's continue to focus on where Barack Obama was or wasn't on September 16th, 2001. It's workin' like a charm. :rolleyes:

:cool1: :cool1: :cool1: :cool1:

Discuss it all you want, but please stop with the "Obama wasn't there when those things were said" nonsense. It's ridiculous. He was there. Everyone knows it. Some just do not care.

What proof do you have that he was there? The Hannity has been foaming at the mouth about this, if there were proof, I'm sure he would have produced it by now. Maybe you've found something Hannity hasn't. Please feel free to share it with us.

As Katt Williams would say -- I'll wait.:surfweb: :surfweb:
 
Good grief, nobody believes Barack Obama wasn't in his church when his pastor went on anti-American, anti-Jew, anti-white rants, including the reporters who reported that nonsense. Everyone knows he heard that and much, much worse over those 20 years.


I can honestly say I do not know.
 
Good grief, nobody believes Barack Obama wasn't in his church when his pastor went on anti-American, anti-Jew, anti-white rants, including the reporters who reported that nonsense. Everyone knows he heard that and much, much worse over those 20 years. They just don't care! Those who have seen the rants and still support Obama either agree largely with Wright's assessment of America and the "evil Jews" and the "evil whites" or they believe it's possible to sit through such venom and parse the pastor's words — you know, take in the God stuff and leave out the racist stuff.

Moreover, Obama was in that church for political expediency, and everyone understands that as well. He was getting his street cred in a black neighborhood — he as much as said so in his 2 books. He would have sat through anything because it was a means to an end — his political career. His membership in that church had nothing at all to do with religion; it was all about ambition, and if he had to sit through a few racist screeds to get where he wanted to go, well it was a very small price to pay. As soon as he got to the top of the political heap, he dumped that church and its pastor as fast as he could. He didn't need them anymore; they had served their purpose.

Discuss it all you want, but please stop with the "Obama wasn't there when those things were said" nonsense. It's ridiculous. He was there. Everyone knows it. Some just do not care.

Actually what is ridiculous is those on this forum that have never once attended one of Wright's sermons yet are willing to label him based on what Limbaugh and O'Reilly tell them are the talking points or what they read in email. Those of us that have bothered to educate ourselves about Wright is and who Obama is ignore the accusation because it is dumb.

Obama has put his campaign on hold for several days at a critical time to go and visit his ailing white grandmother. You would have to be blind to miss the love and respect in his voice and eyes when he speaks of her and his white mother. Those that are trying to paint Obama as some sort of closet white hater because he attended the church of a pastor that is passionate about African American rights are paranoid and a little bit repugnant, particularly those that call themselves Christians.
 
:thumbsup2 Exactly!

This is one point I just cannot understand the blind defense of Obama by his supporters. He was in that church, at some point he had to know of Wright's beliefs. If his supporters really do not care if he agrees with Wright or not, then they should just say so--I would not be able to agree with them that it doesn't matter but at least it would make more sense than saying "he wasn't there" or "he listened to it but didn't agree".

It is quite possible to agree that part of Wright's "anger against whites" was justified (I think it is, too) and that BO understood why Wright maintained it. However, that doesn't mean BO agreed with the extent to Wright's message. Also, MOST of the time, Wright didn't preach on race issues. He preached on Christian ethics and beliefs. Thus, BO and others may well have agreed with these parts of Wright's work while not with other parts.

However, it's moot now. BO has repudiated Wright in public. He has distanced himself and, I imagine, permanently so. That's why I can follow his leadership, since you seemed to want an explanation.

Now, if we're talking character, please justify McCain supporters professed Christianity while upholding a candidate who sinned against his marriage and treated his first wife terribly. How is THAT for blind spots?
 
Discuss it all you want, but please stop with the "Obama wasn't there when those things were said" nonsense. It's ridiculous. He was there. Everyone knows it. Some just do not care.
You're absolutely right. I DON'T care. Call it sad all you want. Heck, call it anything you want. What it really means is that I'm not agreeing with you, therefore I'm (fill in the blank):

an Anti-American
a Socialist
a Communist
a Racist

Fortunately for me, I have enough self-confidence and courage in my convictions to not allow name-calling to sway my belief that Obama would be better for me and our country than a person who voted over 90% of the time with the Administration that brought our country to place we stand now.

I also firmly agree with Goofyluver and give him/her a cheer :cheer2: :cheer2: for what they wrote:

Many of "us" are not so blind as to only see one side of the story. We are able to see the reality of the situation...and not only believe the anti-Obama news spin.

Really? Is this for real?

How petty is this getting? And be honest.

People don't care. They don't care about character attacks that are based in falsehoods. They don't care that John McCain and his campaign choose to do nothing but attack "the man" Attack the policies? Heck no! Let's attack the man himself.

People don't care. People don't care. I'll say it again. People don't care.

People DO care that our economy is in ruins. People DO care that they don't have health care for themselves or their loved ones. People DO care that our educational system is down the crapper.

But, by all means...let's continue to focus on where Barack Obama was or wasn't on September 16th, 2001. It's workin' like a charm. :rolleyes:

Politicians attacked the character of a President who brought us 8 years of prosperity and left the office with a budget surplus. They replaced him with a "decent" man of "fine, upstanding morals" whose never been able to keep any business he's ever been involved in afloat; who lied to the public and used national tragedy to begin his war with a country that had not attacked us; and who used his office to make inroads into taking away American citizens' freedoms and civil rights.

Now comes another "decent" man of "fine, upstanding morals" whose track record for the past 20+ years indicates that he'll contine the same policies. And his platform? Attack the character of his opponent.

As GWB so elloquently said: Fool me once............shame on you. Fool me....you can't get fooled again.
 
Huh? Obama's connections to Ayers, Rezko, Wright, Odinga, Khalidi, Flager, Davis ... to mention a few....are unproven? I guess, folks just made all these connections up? These "connections" just add to why I would never vote for him. It goes straight to his lack of judgement and character.

They are just that--connections. Connections that all politicians have. So, are you ignoring McCain's connections or are just sloughing them off because he's your guy? Neither candidate is above reproach. The Keating issue, to me, is far worse than anything Obama has done, but that's okay, right? The way McCain cheated on his first wife is terrible. Again, I'll say that despite the Keating stuff, the cheating, I would have still probably voted McCain if not for Palin. If you are looking for perfection in a candidate, you won't find it.

No criminal activity on Obama's part has been proven with regard to Rezko. Despite Obama's association with Wright, I don't believe that Obama is a white hater. I guess it all comes down to how you can distort the different relationships to fit your worldview.
 
It is quite possible to agree that part of Wright's "anger against whites" was justified (I think it is, too) and that BO understood why Wright maintained it. However, that doesn't mean BO agreed with the extend to Wright's message. Also, MOST of the time, Wright didn't preach on race issues. He preached on Christian ethics and beliefs. Thus, BO and others may well have agreed with these parts of Wright's work while not with other parts.

However, it's moot now. BO has repudiated Wright in public. He has distanced himself and, I imagine, permanently so. That's why I can follow his leadership, since you seemed to want an explanation.

Now, if we're talking character, please justify McCain supporters professed Christianity while upholding a candidate who sinned against his marriage and treated his first wife terribly. How is THAT for blind spots?
Please show me where Christianty means you are perfect? Has McCain lied about this issue? Has he said "this was just a woman in my neighborhood?" (I know, but I couldn't resist :lmao: ).

McCains campaign is based on experience. With experience you sometimes make mistakes. Obama's campaign is based on his character. He is the one who has brought racism into the campaign. He is the one who can only talk about his character because he has no experience. And this isn't a lie that he made in the past, it's one that Obama still continues to this day. He chose the platform but he doesn't want to abide by it.
 
Please show me where Christianty means you are perfect? Has McCain lied about this issue? Has he said "this was just a woman in my neighborhood?" (I know, but I couldn't resist :lmao: ).

McCains campaign is based on experience. With experience you sometimes make mistakes. Obama's campaign is based on his character. He is the one who has brought racism into the campaign. He is the one who can only talk about his character because he has no experience. And this isn't a lie that he made in the past, it's one that Obama still continues to this day. He chose the platform but he doesn't want to abide by it.

Obama's campaign is based on policy. That's what people care about.
 
I wasn't in church that day, either.:confused3
Do you have what you would call a spiritual advisor that is a close friend and also a reverand? Do you have a position that is based on public perception? Is part of your life (or the life you need to present to your constituent) going to church every Sunday?
 
McCains campaign is based on experience. With experience you sometimes make mistakes. .

I agree McCain has made mistakes.
Some pretty big ones that I referred to in a previous post on this thread.

Each of us needs to examine what path we want our nation to follow.

IMHO I do not 4 more years like the last 8.

Our National Debt is now $10,534,988,029,875.59

The estimated population of the United States is 304,979,342
so each citizen's share of this debt is $34,543.28.

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$3.88 billion per day since September 28, 2007!
 
Obama's campaign is based on his character. He is the one who has brought racism into the campaign. He is the one who can only talk about his character because he has no experience. And this isn't a lie that he made in the past, it's one that Obama still continues to this day. He chose the platform but he doesn't want to abide by it.

I don't believe his campaign is based on character. And you don't need experience in a war to run a country. I believe that Obama's campaign is based on having different ideas and a different way/direction to go. His character only came into question when the other side was looking for an Achilles heel. I don't believe Obama started out saying "vote for me just because I'm nice."
 
I don't believe his campaign is based on character. And you don't need experience in a war to run a country. I believe that Obama's campaign is based on having different ideas and a different way/direction to go. His character only came into question when the other side was looking for an Achilles heel. I don't believe Obama started out saying "vote for me just because I'm nice."

So, if experience or character doesn't matter.......what does? A broad statement of Hope and Change?:scared1:
 


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