A comment about moore's bad editing in F 9/11

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Originally posted by dmadman43
You know that...how? Based on what MM shows in the movie?
Fer' cryin' out loud...lol

There were reporters in the room !!!

You don't think they would have, oh, I dunno, noticed if he was being updated every 15 seconds with people walking out and whispering in his ear ?

C'mon, guys...this isn't that difficult.
 
Originally posted by wvrevy
Actually, Steve, don't get too proud of yourself...A broken record would have the same affect...it would do about as good of a job of "arguing" it's point, and would become annoying in about the same amount of time :rolleyes:



Frankly, that person is wrong. When Card entered the room he told Bush of the second plane hitting, and his final words were "America is under attack". The president asked no questions (like, "Is there another threat ?" or "Where is the attack coming from ?") and for seven minutes he did absolutely NOTHING. I'm sorry, but that is not "delegating", that's "freezing under (admittedly imense) pressure."

earlier the arguement was made that Bush entered the room already knowing of the second plane...apparently not so...

Ok..so a reporter is wrong, but Michael moore is correct...I understand....not........

I'm sure he had already delegated before entering the room in the first place..so he was being briefed as he visited with the children...

you keep saying everyone is wrong..but you give no facts only your beliefs..:confused: :confused:
 
Originally posted by wvrevy
Fer' cryin' out loud...lol

There were reporters in the room !!!

You don't think they would have, oh, I dunno, noticed if he was being updated every 15 seconds with people walking out and whispering in his ear ?

C'mon, guys...this isn't that difficult.


info was so limited at that point in time..what did you want them to do walk in every 15 seconds and say excuse me mr president, we have nothing new to tell you...??
 

the reality is...even if Bush had been in the white house..other people would have been briefing him, it's their job..

.and no one man can be on multiple phones talking to multiple sources at the same time..it's simply the way things work...
 
Originally posted by MICKEY88
earlier the arguement was made that Bush entered the room already knowing of the second plane...apparently not so...

Ok..so a reporter is wrong, but Michael moore is correct...I understand....not........

I'm sure he had already delegated before entering the room in the first place..so he was being briefed as he visited with the children...

you keep saying everyone is wrong..but you give no facts only your beliefs..:confused: :confused:
Um, it's not a belief, it's the facts...Card himself has stated that what he whispered in the president's ear was, "A second plane has hit the second tower. America is under attack." That's not a guess on my part, that's exactly what he said.

Here's one story from CBS News on the subject:

Bush on 9-11, moment by moment

Don't blame me that your source was wrong :)
 
Originally posted by wvrevy
Actually, Steve, don't get too proud of yourself...A broken record would have the same affect...it would do about as good of a job of "arguing" it's point, and would become annoying in about the same amount of time :rolleyes:
Wowzers, wvrevy, I am truly hurt. :laughing: Just trying to inject a little humor into a "discussion" that can get way too serious.

As for broken records ... well, you should know a lot about those, right? :laughing:
Frankly, that person is wrong. When Card entered the room he told Bush of the second plane hitting, and his final words were "America is under attack". The president asked no questions (like, "Is there another threat ?" or "Where is the attack coming from ?") and for seven minutes he did absolutely NOTHING. I'm sorry, but that is not "delegating", that's "freezing under (admittedly imense) pressure."
Again, you have seen the ENTIRE 7 minutes of video so you know for an absolute certainty that President Bush did absolutely nothing? If you've not seen the entire 7 minutes, then I really question how correct your assertions are.

But I forget... you are always right, correct? :worship:
 
Originally posted by MICKEY88
the reality is...even if Bush had been in the white house..other people would have been briefing him, it's their job..


I think that's just the point. After being told about the second plane and that the U.S. was under attack on our own soil, w could think of no further questions he wanted to ask? Nothing came to his mind that he wanted to clarify? To know more about?

Odd. Yes, very odd.
 
Originally posted by Eeyore1954
Wowzers, wvrevy, I am truly hurt. :laughing: Just trying to inject a little humor into a "discussion" that can get way too serious.

As for broken records ... well, you should know a lot about those, right? :laughing: Again, you have seen the ENTIRE 7 minutes of video so you know for an absolute certainty that President Bush did absolutely nothing? If you've not seen the entire 7 minutes, then I really question how correct your assertions are.

But I forget... you are always right, correct? :worship:
Sorry, steve...I can only take so many insults before I get sick of it.

I've said it a hundred times, but maybe one more will do the trick for the slow learners in the class:

THERE WERE REPORTERS WATCHING AND DOCUMENTING HIS EVERY MOVE

So gee, you're right...I guess Card must have been wearing an invisibility cloak all those times when he walked out there to keep the president informed. And I guess it must have just been "edited out" when he asked Card, upon being told that the nation was under attack, what other information was available. Yeah, I guess all those reporters in the room must have missed all that.
 
With the apparent awesome psychic ability on display in this thread, being demonstrated by those who know with absolute certainty what President Bush was both doing and thinking on 9/11/2001 (even though they were not present in the room), I'd like to ask for some help, please. The MegaMillions lottery is up over 220 million. Would one of you please PM me the winning numbers for the drawing? I'd be more than happy to give you 1/4 of the pot in exchange. I anxiously await the PMs!
 
Originally posted by jason
Okay for the forth time now I thought he was talking about terrorist so I guess you can put al Qaeda in that group along with every other terrorist group in the world.
Okay, you act like you keep answering the question asked. You're not. We know he was talking about terrorists. He said the word. There's nothing to think about there.

My question is, which terrorists did you think he was talking about when you watched it?

Did you think he was talking about al Qaeda, about 9/11, about terrorism against the US?

Because Moore's point is that he wants you to believe Bush isn't taking al Qaeda and terrorism against the US seriously. ThreeCircles admitted that this is the point he came away with.

Don't you agree that it's disingenuous to make that point by showing an edited clip of him commenting on the Israeli/Palestinian issue in 2004?

Or how about the clip that Moore describes as Bush relaxing at Camp David--the one where Tony Blair is edited out. Gosh, why would he do that? Because then he couldn't use that clip to support his assertions that Bush was vacationing all the time?

It seriously doesn't make you mad to form opinions on deliberate distortions? That's just not very nice of Moore. You shouldn't do that to people, take their money and then deliberately make them think things that aren't true. That's really not nice.
 
Originally posted by kbeverina
When you watched the film and you saw the clip where Bush is golfing and made the comment about terrorists, did you believe he was talking about al Qaeda after 9/11?

Just wanted to post this as it relates to that scene in the movie where the President is on vacation relaxing and golfing but decides to answer some reporters questions:

Before Golf, Bush Decries Latest Deaths In Mideast
Upcoming Holiday to Be No Vacation From Strife

By Mike Allen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, August 5, 2002; Page A02

KENNEBUNKPORT, Maine, Aug. 4 -- It's a ritual when President Bush golfs: As he gets ready to tee off, reporters toss out a few questions about the news of the day from their perches on a nearby sand trap. This morning, Bush wasn't waiting. He sprang from his golf cart at 6:15 a.m. and said he was "distressed to hear about the latest suicide bombers in Israel."

Just over four hours before, as Bush slept at his parents' seaside retreat, a Palestinian suicide bomber blew up a bus in Israel, killing nine passengers.

Bush, wearing khakis and a knit shirt, was holding a driver in his gloved left hand. The rest of his foursome, including his father, former president George H.W. Bush, was waiting. However incongruous the setting, the president plunged ahead. "There are a few killers who want to stop the peace process that we have started, and we must not let them," he said. "I call upon all nations to do everything they can to stop these terrorist killers."

His business out of the way, Bush barely paused for breath before saying, "Thank you. Now watch this drive."


The abrupt segue illustrates the dilemma Bush will face over the next month as he relaxes and works at his ranch in Crawford, Tex., at a time of global political volatility. On Tuesday, Bush will leave Washington behind until Labor Day. That is likely to mean a return to the golf-cart diplomacy of last summer, when Bush talked Middle East peace between playing holes, at one point dripping sweat as he said Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat "can do a lot more to be convincing the people on the street to stop these acts of terrorism."

During his comments this morning, Bush said, "For those who yearn for peace in the Middle East, for those in the Arab lands, for those in Europe, for those all around the world who yearn for peace, we must do everything we possibly can to stop the terror."

After Bush had teed off (hooking at first, but getting a solid shot the second time), a reporter turned to the safest topic for engaging the president, asking whether he had seen his beloved Texas Rangers play the Boston Red Sox the night before.

"Went to bed at 2-2," he said. Bush waited politely while another member of his foursome teed off, then his curiosity got the better of him. "Who won the Rangers game last night?" he asked. A television producer who is a well-known Red Sox fan confessed that the Rangers had won, 8-6. "Sorry to bring it up," Bush said mischievously.

Bush slouched in the golf cart and played the hot dog, steering and punching the accelerator from the passenger seat. "Aerobic golf" is a tradition for the Bush clan; his father's record on the course they played today is 1 hour, 24 minutes. This morning, they took 2 hours, 14 minutes -- possible only because three or four of the players putted at once.

Because of the Bushes' speediness and the Secret Service's choreography, father and son dashed into the clubhouse, changed, boarded a Suburban in a 15-vehicle motorcade and arrived at First Congregational Church of Kennebunkport 21 minutes after stepping off the green. The president even paused along the way to sign a few golf visors thrust at him by well-wishers at the clubhouse steps, and he beckoned a hesitant youngster over for a photo.

Bush and his father, joined in the front pew by former first lady Barbara Bush, took communion after hearing a prayer for "our troubled world." Gospel singer Michael W. Smith, who golfed with the Bushes twice this weekend, played piano and guitar. The president gave him a hearty, "Amen!"

In context it doesn't seem as bad as Moore is trying to make it out to be, IMHO.
 
Originally posted by ThreeCircles
And you know that he did...how?

You're the one making the contention, no me. It's up to you to back it up with data.
 
Originally posted by wvrevy
Fer' cryin' out loud...lol

There were reporters in the room !!!

You don't think they would have, oh, I dunno, noticed if he was being updated every 15 seconds with people walking out and whispering in his ear ?

C'mon, guys...this isn't that difficult.
Was there anyone besides Michael Moore saying that Bush sat there for 7 minutes doing nothing because he was so scared and incompetent?

Have other reporters even commented on that? How do we know reporters in the room didn't notice updates?
 
Originally posted by ThreeCircles
I think that's just the point. After being told about the second plane and that the U.S. was under attack on our own soil, w could think of no further questions he wanted to ask? Nothing came to his mind that he wanted to clarify? To know more about?

Odd. Yes, very odd.

not odd at all if you trust your staff...I'm sure they are well trained and experienced at briefing the pres on all vital info...
 
Originally posted by kbeverina
Because Moore's point is that he wants you to believe Bush isn't taking al Qaeda and terrorism against the US seriously. ThreeCircles admitted that this is the point he came away with.


Kbeverina you seem quick to put words into people's mouths. I never stated that that was the "point I came away with." Sorry, once again you are misinformed.

You also seem quick to state that everyone's opinion is wrong or that it's an outright lie. Do you do this in person as well? ::yes::

W was talking about terrorists in that clip. A terrorist is a terrorist, by his own words. There's nothing left to say on this topic so perhaps you can bring yourself up-to-date with the thread, hmmm? ;)
 
Originally posted by wvrevy
Sorry, steve...I can only take so many insults before I get sick of it.
Insults? Hmm, seems like you are just fine dishing them out, but when served a heaping portion of your own cooking you cry foul? :sad: :rolleyes:
I've said it a hundred times, but maybe one more will do the trick for the slow learners in the class:

THERE WERE REPORTERS WATCHING AND DOCUMENTING HIS EVERY MOVE
*YAWN* Just because you repeat something, especially THIS LINE, doesn't mean that your assumptions/conclusions about what happened are 100% accurate. You consistently claim President Bush did nothing, when that is absolutely untrue. When called on this, you get your nose out of joint. Too bad, so sad, buh-bye!
 
Originally posted by dmadman43
You're the one making the contention, no me. It's up to you to back it up with data.

And you're the one assuming that he did something, right? So, back it up with data.
 
Originally posted by MICKEY88
not odd at all if you trust your staff...I'm sure they are well trained and experienced at briefing the pres on all vital info...

So, he's just told that the U.S. is under attack and his content with that amount of information.

Yeah, that's a bit odd.
 
Originally posted by ThreeCircles
Wow! Talk about circular reasoning!

Her point is that w is talking about terrorists while golfing but it's another group of terrorists and not this group of terrorists. Therefore, terrorists should not be spoken of when golfing unless one is ultra sure of which terrorist group it is because we all know that they are so very different in the way that they are terrorists. I mean terrorists are not just terrorists when they terrorize and each group of terrorists is different from the next group of terrorists. While terrorist group A may indeed be part of the “War on Terrorism” we should all take care to understand that terrorist group B may or may not be a terrorist group that is included in the “War on Terrorism.”

To sum it up, she's attempting to defend w for his very un-presidental behavior.
I can't decide if you are deliberately evading the point or truly don't get it...

Please show where I said that terrorists should not be spoken of when golfing unless one is ultra sure of which terrorist group because Bush is talking about Palestinian terrorists, not al Qaeda.

Do you really think that's what I was trying to say?
 
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