A bit of a vent- unexpected expense. Update

[undertheradar]

Are you saying that it was an accident that DD's 1:1 was looking out the window and not paying attention DD or to what was happening on the bus?

At home, there is no one that would take them off DD's face and break them into 4 pieces.

Yes, there is an adult with DD at all times except when she is sleeping.



DD does not sleep with her glasses or hearing aids on. Nor does she sleep with her prosthesis in her eye.

There was a written plan in DD's IEP that her 1:1 was supposed to stand by DD each time another student walked by. The plan also included that the other bus monitor was supposed to walk between the student and DD's 1:1 so that there would be two adults between the students. That plan was not followed. An IEP is a legally binding agreement.


By the way, my other DD's are SpEd teachers (one Behavior Disability and the other Autism).

Is this 1:1 supposed to do this on the bus, or is this for everywhere your DD goes whenever she is involved in any school activity? Wouldn't the safest place for her be on the back of the bus and her 1:1 would be between her and anyone else?

 

[daughtersrus]

Is this 1:1 supposed to do this on the bus, or is this for everywhere your DD goes whenever she is involved in any school activity? Wouldn't the safest place for her be on the back of the bus and her 1:1 would be between her and anyone else?

DD has a different 1:1 that is with her at all times while she is at school.

DD has to be in the front of the bus because that is where the tie downs for wheelchairs are.

 

[undertheradar]

OP, just trying to understand where you think the district should take those funds from? Student programs, building maintenance, salaries? As for the 1:1, what does this district pay them per hour?

 

[krayzie]

OP, just trying to understand where you think the district should take those funds from? Student programs, building maintenance, salaries? As for the 1:1, what does this district pay them per hour?

I am not sure why it even matters how much the 1:1 gets paid. Just because the guy at mcdonalds gets paid minimum wage, does that mean he can spit in your food? It's really not the op's responsibility to figure out where the funding should come from...

Let's say you assault someone, should the victim really be responsbile in figuring out where the funding for your stay in jail is coming from?

 

[daughtersrus]

OP, just trying to understand where you think the district should take those funds from? Student programs, building maintenance, salaries? As for the 1:1, what does this district pay them per hour?

Believe it or not, school districts have insurance policies.

Our district had no problem paying our Superintendent a bonus over $60,000 to get his PhD.

I looked up the salary for bus monitors. Average is about $14.30/hour. It's a union job so the contracts are available online. Are you saying that they may not be paid enough so they should not have to do the job that they agreed to?

Because it's union, they 'bid' on jobs based on seniority. DD's monitor chose to be with her. When DD switched to this school a few weeks ago, the monitor chose to continue to be her 1:1.

 

[manning]

Wow! Do you understand what an "accident" is? You sure want to place responsibility on others. Even as parents we can't be there 24/7, we do this odd thing where we sleep. I assume then that you believe that the aide is never allowed to be human and therefore, is never allowed a personal moment. How exactly do you propose that this school district provides this protective escort for each and every one of the students? Honestly, it should be provided for every student, not just those with special needs.

When you are assigned and paid to to a job, you do it.

Does that mean if I am given an assignment that is important and demands my full attention I am permitted to be human and daydream? Where I worked I would have been fired.

 

[Gracie09]

OP, just trying to understand where you think the district should take those funds from? Student programs, building maintenance, salaries? As for the 1:1, what does this district pay them per hour?

That's immaterial to this discussion. The child had a legally binding document that was violated. As for where op's dd sits, given that she is in a wheelchair that probably dictates where she sits.

 

[Gracie09]

Wow! Do you understand what an "accident" is? You sure want to place responsibility on others. Even as parents we can't be there 24/7, we do this odd thing where we sleep. I assume then that you believe that the aide is never allowed to be human and therefore, is never allowed a personal moment. How exactly do you propose that this school district provides this protective escort for each and every one of the students? Honestly, it should be provided for every student, not just those with special needs.

So you would be ok with a doctor performing surgery having a personal moment? Or a policeman arresting someone? Or a fireman putting out a fire?

 

[kymom99]

The school district has insurance to cover these kinds of mistakes. The insurance should pay for the glasses. If kids fight on the playground, the supervising personnel can be held responsible. I am a teacher and we are preached to about this regularly. Supervise children AT ALL TIMES.

OP, I also wanted to add that I am special education certified to work with OH kids. However, that part of my certification was taught in about one week! And lifting and transferring was literally practiced one day. So I can see why your daughter was injured. I am in no way saying this is right, I am just telling you how unprepared I would be if I was expected to help a non-ambulatory child. Very sad.

I will also add that many special education teachers around here are "emergency certified". They basically take classes online while they are working with children. I just shake my head at this. I spent 5 years getting my elementary and special education certification, yet they think someone can do the same job just walking in off the street with a marketing degree or something like that.

 

[undertheradar]

So you would be ok with a doctor performing surgery having a personal moment? Or a policeman arresting someone? Or a fireman putting out a fire?

How are these the same?

 

[Gracie09]

How are these the same?

Well you said a person should be allowed a personal moment while they are suppose to do their job. During the time when it was most critical for the 1:1 to do her job she was taking a personal moment which resulted in the dd's glasses being broken. So would you be ok with other professions taking a personal moment during the most critical portion of their jobs?

 

[4HppyCamprs]

OP I am sorry anyone is questioning whether or not your daughter deserves services. It is beyond wrong. Also I guess I am in the minority but if my child broke something that belonged to another person they would pay for it or I would.

The 1:1 does not have a right to a personal moment when they are supposed to be actively working. That person likely knew the bus was stopped and likely knew that students were moving past your daughter making it a critical moment of awareness as part of her job and contract.

Accidents do happen but as I would tell my children, glasses do not accidently jump off someone's face into your hands, get twisted and broken into multiple pieces. Frames are strong. A lens popping out might be accidental but not really breaking the frames.

As for who pays for the school, who cares. Taxpayers pay my husband, who is a firefighter, so as pp said should he stop fighting fires so he can stare at the beautiful flames because he wants a personal moment.?

 

[zoemurr]

OP I am sorry anyone is questioning whether or not your daughter deserves services. It is beyond wrong. Also I guess I am in the minority but if my child broke something that belonged to another person they would pay for it or I would.

The 1:1 does not have a right to a personal moment when they are supposed to be actively working. That person likely knew the bus was stopped and likely knew that students were moving past your daughter making it a critical moment of awareness as part of her job and contract.

Accidents do happen but as I would tell my children, glasses do not accidently jump off someone's face into your hands, get twisted and broken into multiple pieces. Frames are strong. A lens popping out might be accidental but not really breaking the frames.

As for who pays for the school, who cares. Taxpayers pay my husband, who is a firefighter, so as pp said should he stop fighting fires so he can stare at the beautiful flames because he wants a personal moment.?

Has the other parent been notified and refused to pay?

 

[Judique]

This is a completely different situation than two kids playing on the play ground. The op's dd has an adult assigned to her to ensure her safety and help her as needed. The other child also had an adult assign to him as part of a group to do the same thing. Both adults failed in their role. Whether the second child understood what he did is immaterial. If he went into a store and started causing damage or hitting people his parents would be responsible for his actions. It's called personal responsibility. This time it was just glasses. Next time the op's dd could be injured. If the child who broke the glasses can't understand to keep his hands to himself then alternative transportation needs to be provided.

There are other remedies that can be put in place.

First would be to be placed on a bus such as this.

Next a safety vest can be placed on the child in question to confine him to the seat except when he is being escorted of the school bus. The bus monitor and para are on the bus to prevent such incidents as well as to assist the children in other situations.

After that, the one on one if it is indicated in the IEP.

Then if the child in question is deemed too difficult or dangerous to transport, alternate means of transport may be considered. Or the child may not be transportable at all - depending on behavior.

 

[Judique]

Has the other parent been notified and refused to pay?

I am sure the other parent would be notified. But, by virtue of the OP indicating that the other child has disabilities, the other parent would not be liable in the same sense that the District IS liable.

The other parent also depends on the District and the District's employees to transport their child who has special needs that may be far beyond what the OP characterizes as 'spec ed'.

The subject of intent is probably not an issue here.

Both children probably fall under ADA and 504. That is why the taxpayers are going to pay. they are going to pay because the para the taxpayers are already paying didn't do the job.

 

[kymom99]

There are other remedies that can be put in place.

First would be to be placed on a bus such as this.

Next a safety vest can be placed on the child in question to confine him to the seat except when he is being escorted of the school bus. The bus monitor and para are on the bus to prevent such incidents as well as to assist the children in other situations.

After that, the one on one if it is indicated in the IEP.

Then if the child in question is deemed too difficult or dangerous to transport, alternate means of transport may be considered. Or the child may not be transportable at all - depending on behavior.

They cannot refuse transportation if a child has an iep. PL 94 142

 

[Judique]

They cannot refuse transportation if a child has an iep. PL 94 142

You are correct in that sense. However - placements can also be changed to accommodate putting that child in their least restrictive environment. As you probably know there are lots of variables that come into play.

Back to the OP's original issue - and to stay on topic of budget vent - OP I will be listening for an update as to when you get the glasses paid for!

 

[MinnieForMe]

In our district, a report would be filed with the police. You need to find out the correct procedure, and follow through for your daughter's future safety.

Good luck!

 

[undertheradar]

Well you said a person should be allowed a personal moment while they are suppose to do their job. During the time when it was most critical for the 1:1 to do her job she was taking a personal moment which resulted in the dd's glasses being broken. So would you be ok with other professions taking a personal moment during the most critical portion of their jobs?

I hardly equate a surgeon to a fire fighter. Every job has responsibilities and ALL humans have good and bad days. I take it you have never had a bad day or ever made an error?

 

[NYCDiane]

I don't understand where the problem is.

The kid intentionally grabbed the glasses off your daughter's face and broke them.

The kid's parents would be paying for them or we would be in court

If the school refused to provide video or give info on who did it, I would go to the school and ask again. If they said no, I would call 911 right in front of them, report the ASSAULT and request police assistance. Get the report number and then write a demand letter to the school and the school district administration demanding the name of the child who assaulted your child or you are going to sue the school for the cost of the glasses as well as for pain and mental anguish and for neglect of their duty to protect your child.