A banned person, can they buy re-sale?

[Chili327]

Agree but I do feel sort of bad for people that receive lifetime bans for dumb stuff they did as a teenager. That being said, Disney does allow appeals after 1 year and there are some people who have had bans lifted (AdamtheWoo is an example that comes to mind).

Ha, what was Adam banned for? I can't imagine. lol

 

[foodiddiedoo]

I'd be amazed if they were the ones. I mean I know there were a bunch giving "tours" that aren't allowed anymore, but I don't think they were doing much wrong.

They did have a video about it.

 

[intamin]

I'd be amazed if they were the ones. I mean I know there were a bunch giving "tours" that aren't allowed anymore, but I don't think they were doing much wrong.

They were banned reportedly for giving tours and charging people for them. Not sure if they were exploiting DAS as well but that’s why they pretty much stopped doing room tours.

 

[intamin]

Ha, what was Adam banned for? I can't imagine. lol

Adam used to go into restricted areas on property like the abandoned River Country. You can kind of get a sense of how his vlogs used to be when he tours those abandoned hotels on I4. He remains banned from Universal Orlando for trespassing as well but was unbanned from Disney and has been on good behavior since.

 

[SL6827]

Adam used to go into restricted areas on property like the abandoned River Country. You can kind of get a sense of how his vlogs used to be when he tours those abandoned hotels on I4. He remains banned from Universal Orlando for trespassing as well but was unbanned from Disney and has been on good behavior since.

What did he do at Universal?

 

[intamin]

What did he do at Universal?

More of the same. Went into a restricted Nickelodeon studios, filmed it and uploaded to youtube for views. He still cant step foot on Universal Orlando resort property including City Walk IIRC. That’s why he doesn’t go to HHN or show any of the new stuff happening at Universal on his channel at least on this coast.

 

[MarkNC2Disney]

They were banned reportedly for giving tours and charging people for them. Not sure if they were exploiting DAS as well but that’s why they pretty much stopped doing room tours.

Wonder how many others were banned, or if Disney made an example out of them….

 

[Cfabar1]

I believe they are still allowed to be in their DVC resorts. Were they banned from their ownership? That would be the kind of overreach with that law I was very afraid of when it was first mentioned.

 

[Chili327]

They did have a video about it.

Yea I remember that, but I thought that was just banned from doing tours, not from being on property, but I guess it makes sense.

 

[dizneedoll]

I think I remember that. Can't think of which You Tuber that was though.

It was Here with the Ears. They guy was banned but not his wife. He just had his one year appeal but Disney denied him so he’s still banned another year.

 

[intamin]

Yea I remember that, but I thought that was just banned from doing tours, not from being on property, but I guess it makes sense.

I’m sure they wish it was just tours. I’d hate to have to break that to my kids like sorry we can never go to Disney World again as a family especially when owning DVC. But also crazy that people would think they could sell essentially a competing product against Disney’s VIP tours and not have any repercussions.

 

[CastAStone]

I’m sure they wish it was just tours. I’d hate to have to break that to my kids like sorry we can never go to Disney World again as a family especially when owning DVC. But also crazy that people would think they could sell essentially a competing product against Disney’s VIP tours and not have any repercussions.

I mean his tours didn’t include front of line access.

Many people have done guided tours at WDW over the years. You see them especially with large groups of guests from countries where English is very rarely learned. They have always been pretty explicitly prohibited, but I feel like I notice them with some regularity. I think if it’s a once in a while thing, it’s hard to prove.

However if you are famous to WDW staff and you advertise that you’re doing them…

It does seem like a formal written warning would have been a better first step. I dunno. Perhaps they gave him one.

 

[disneylandtour]

I believe they are still allowed to be in their DVC resorts. Were they banned from their ownership? That would be the kind of overreach with that law I was very afraid of when it was first mentioned.

There's a new Florida law that now allows a company to ban--I forget the exact term--unruly timeshare owners from being at timeshares. And again, the things people have been banned for seem pretty legit to me. Punching security officers. Walking off Big Thunder (though that was at DL). Swimming in Rivers of America. Going topless at Disney Springs while drunk. And so on. Some of Adam's old videos, though perhaps less problematic than other examples, are nuts in terms of the number of rules he (and companions) violated--also in terms of safety. People banned can appeal after a year. Many get a second chance.

Someone mentioned Jim Hill. I believe he was escorted out of Disneyland about 20 years go. Some regular Disneyland guests got confused and somehow joined his tour instead of the official Walk in Walt's Footsteps Tour. But I don't think he was ever banned, just led out for the day. These were paid tours. He used to do them fairly often, as did many others, including Lou. It all ended at about the same time. The larger problem with outside tours had to do with abuse of DAS.

 

[disneylandtour]

You see them especially with large groups of guests from countries where English is very rarely learned. They have always been pretty explicitly prohibited, but I feel like I notice them with some regularity. I think if it’s a once in a while thing, it’s hard to prove.

I'm pretty sure that Disney still has some arrangements with third parties specifically for language tours that are outside of Disney's expertise. I believe that Disney officially supports English, Spanish, French, Chinese, French, German, and Portuguese. Maybe there's another one or perhaps two. Outside of this, I think they still allow commercial partnerships with other companies for foreign language spoken tours. If you want to propose a Danish tour and you have clients and you arrange for a commercial partnership beforehand, you are probably all good to go.

 

[intamin]

There's a new Florida law that now allows a company to ban--I forget the exact term--unruly timeshare owners from being at timeshares. And again, the things people have been banned for seem pretty legit to me. Punching security officers. Walking off Big Thunder (though that was at DL). Swimming in Rivers of America. Going topless at Disney Springs while drunk. And so on. Some of Adam's old videos, though perhaps less problematic than other examples, are nuts in terms of the number of rules he (and companions) violated--also in terms of safety. People banned can appeal after a year. Many get a second chance.

Someone mentioned Jim Hill. I believe he was escorted out of Disneyland about 20 years go. Some regular Disneyland guests got confused and somehow joined his tour instead of the official Walk in Walt's Footsteps Tour. But I don't think he was ever banned, just led out for the day. These were paid tours. He used to do them fairly often, as did many others, including Lou. It all ended at about the same time. The larger problem with outside tours had to do with abuse of DAS.

As cool as the content was, the bans were definitely justified. It encouraged people to trespass into potentially dangerous areas and led to the damage/theft of Disney property. I mean, we’re probably never getting the animatronic from Cranium Command back ever (RIP Buzzy).

 

[Kailunkat]

I think you're talking about Here with the Ears, they were banned for giving illegal tours.

It does seem like a formal written warning would have been a better first step. I dunno. Perhaps they gave him one.

I remember before the bans happened that Disney issued press statements about "cracking down" on 3rd party tours and about revising the DAS system to eliminate abuse. They specifically called out that they were investigating individuals who had used DAS for commercial gain. Who knows what the internal flagging was for detecting these individuals but my guess is they had an algorithm that screened for DAS, days spent at the parks, number of different guests. Since Disney legal tends to be pretty efficient in their jobs (can we get some lawyers who program Apps?) we don't have any specific info to go off, but the fact that they have not lifted the bans from a lot of those individuals seems like they feel very confident in their position.

So I guess my take on the whole thing is that:
1) since it specifically states in the fine print and legalese of tickets and DAS that you can't use either for financial gain - these individuals should have known that they were violating Disney policy in the first place.
2) They issued numerous public warnings
3) Everyone knows the mouse loves $$$$$
It kind of was a logical conclusion.

 

[Bearval]

Would DVC let a re-sale contract go through to someone who has been banned from Disney property? Would they catch it? Could they catch it?

If you are banned from Disney property and already own at DVC resort I believed they cannot prevent you from that particular property as long you are using points that you already own. ( I have see news articles on where owners have been banned from property but could not be banned from their DVC resort) However, if you do not already own at a DVC resort and you get banned you are legally notified you are banned from all Disney property until the ban is removed and would assume that the notification would include a DVC resort if you somehow acquired ownership during the ban thru a purchase, divorce or inherited it.

 

[Philsfan77]

I’m sure they wish it was just tours. I’d hate to have to break that to my kids like sorry we can never go to Disney World again as a family especially when owning DVC. But also crazy that people would think they could sell essentially a competing product against Disney’s VIP tours and not have any repercussions.

While more than likely abusing DAS to do it

 

[MarkNC2Disney]

While more than likely abusing DAS to do it

Monetizing a disability to differentiate your “tour”… not a good look!

 

[MarkNC2Disney]

“Hello everyone, we are here today at the Magic Kingdom to do a full tour. This tour does feature complimentary fast passes and has a good amount of space for everyone. Now, unlike other parks at Walt Disney World, this one has been recently updated with refreshed animatronics, including Country Bear Jamboree and Tianna’s Bayou Adventure. I can’t wait to show you - let’s check it out!”