8th grader arrested,suspended for NRA tshirt

[chobie]

I believe he should have asked to speak with the principal, if he felt so strongly about the issue. He was wrong to pursue his position with the teacher. But, teens don't always take the wisest course. I really don't understand wanting to embarrass a kid in the cafeteria, though, either. That is why I don't comprehend the need to address his shirt in such a large venue after five other teachers had seen the shirt and not considered it a problem. Couldn't there have been a note to go to the principal's office, rather than initiating a vocal confrontation in front of his peers? I have to wonder if "protecting his honor", in front of his classmates, especially considering they were cheering him on, was a contributing factor to this. That's why I believe the attorney mentioned the video, because there was a confrontation that did not need to occur in that public of a setting.

Unless the kid started the vocal uproar when first approached inciting all the kids around him. Are you saying school personnel can never approach a kid in front of others? That's ridiculous. If a kid is, or appears to be breaking a rule, we can't expect teachers to secretly slip them notes. Besides if that was the policy the kids would soon catch on that if a teacher approaches a kid and hands them a note that means the kid is in trouble, so everyone will know anyway.

So what's next, the teaches have to stealthily await the kid until a moment they are completely alone to slip them a super secret note saying, "begging your pardon, but you may be in violation of a rule. Perhaps you might want to contact your civil lawyer so we can meet at a time convenient for both of you to discuss said broken rule."?

 

[chobie]

I'd like to know what warranted the police as apposed to suspension or sent home. Although I don't have kids in school yet and it's been a while since I was in HS/MS and times might have changed. They still paddled kids when I went, and I would've gotten another when my mom got their.

I can only remember cops being called to our school maybe twice over the 13 yrs I was their. Is this a common practice now? That's what I'm having trouble with is what was so bad that the police were called. Simple disobeying isn't enough in my book.

Yes, schools have their own police officers stationed there and some school districts have their own entire police agency.

It is common to involve police, because teachers have to be oh so careful around children these days because of all the litigation that has gone on.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

Yes, schools have their own police officers stationed there and some school districts have their own entire police agency.

It is common to involve police, because teachers have to be oh so careful around children these days because of all the litigation that has gone on.

Just to clarify, SOME schools have on hand officers. And yes, I know you weren't suggesting that all do

 

[3 MEN AND A BOAT]

Yes, schools have their own police officers stationed there and some school districts have entire police agency.

It is common to involve police, because teachers have to be oh so careful around children these days because of all the litigation that had gone on.

Wow guess I'm in for an awakening when my little ones start school.

When I went 1/2 the time the teacher just called your parent and before school was out that day it was settled, good or bad BUT IT WAS OVER. Granted it was a smaller school K-12 with a grad class of maybe 75, some of the teachers might have even taught your parents, grandparents.

 

[chobie]

Just to clarify, SOME schools have on hand officers. And yes, I know you weren't suggesting that all do

It's common, though. My kids' school district has its own police agency.

Ironically, putting more armed police officers on the schools is one of the things the NRA is promoting.

Just did some googling and found a stat from the Bureau of Justice statistics that 68% of students between the ages if 12-18 reported the presence of security guards/ police officers in the schools. That was from 2009.

So, while not all, certainly most schools have some form of police presence. Maybe it still hasn't reached Mayberry RFD..

 

[chobie]

Wow guess I'm in for an awakening when my little ones start school.

When I went 1/2 the time the teacher just called your parent and before school was out that day it was settled, good or bad BUT IT WAS OVER. Granted it was a smaller school K-12 with a grad class of maybe 75, some of the teachers might have even taught your parents, grandparents.

Usually wont see a school resource officer until middle and high school.

 

[sunshinehighway]

Yeah, I have to assume the teacher chose that time to say something because that's when that teacher first saw the shirt.

I'd have had my butt whooped for refusing to cooperate with the teacher, and especially with the principal & officer. OTOH, some teachers don't approach such things with as much tact as do others.

Doesn't every school have a least one teacher that's hard on the students and strict on the rules? I know my schools always had one. It wouldn't have matter if I argued with the strictest, most obnoxious teacher or not. My parents would have explained to me why I was wrong not run to the media.

Whether its fair or not,there's a time and place for everything. Sometimes its best to keep your mouth shut and follow the rules.

 

[foreUT]

Unless the kid started the vocal uproar when first approached inciting all the kids around him. Are you saying school personnel can never approach a kid in front of others? That's ridiculous. If a kid is, or appears to be breaking a rule, we can't expect teachers to secretly slip them notes. Besides if that was the policy the kids would soon catch on that if a teacher approaches a kid and hands them a note that means the kid is in trouble, so everyone will know anyway.

So what's next, the teaches have to stealthily await the kid until a moment they are completely alone to slip them a super secret note saying, "begging your pardon, but you may be in violation of a rule. Perhaps you might want to contact your civil lawyer so we can meet at a time convenient for both of you to discuss said broken rule."?

Well, if we are still discussing wearing a t-shirt, which apparently five teachers had seen with no problem, no school disruption, I don't see a need for this teacher's need to make a big deal out of it in a crowded cafeteria. Aren't we supposed to be always respectful of the feelings of others? Would it have been a major event for the teacher to have addressed the "issue" with the principal and had a member of the administrative staff confront the student? I just do not see the need to tell a kid to "change his shirt" in front of a crowd.

As far as the civil suit being because of "deep pockets": if the teen wants to be in the military, that would be difficult, despite his being an honor student, if there was an arrest on his record. It sounds as if this is to provide a public forum to address the failures of all sides, because, imo, I can see there were mistakes by both.

 

[chobie]

Well, if we are still discussing wearing a t-shirt, which apparently five teachers had seen with no problem, no school disruption, I don't see a need for this teacher's need to make a big deal out of it in a crowded cafeteria. Aren't we supposed to be always respectful of the feelings of others? Would it have been a major event for the teacher to have addressed the "issue" with the principal and had a member of the administrative staff confront the student? I just do not see the need to tell a kid to "change his shirt" in front of a crowd.

As far as the civil suit being because of "deep pockets": if the teen wants to be in the military, that would be difficult, despite his being an honor student, if there was an arrest on his record. It sounds as if this is to provide a public forum to address the failures of all sides, because, imo, I can see there were mistakes by both.

But we don't know if the teacher made a big deal out if it or the kid did after he was told the shirt violated the code, hence the inciting a riot charge.

We also don't know if the kid was wearing a jacket over the shirt earlier in the day or why no one else thought to do something.

As for a juvenile arrest and not getting into the military, as far as I know it's not an issue. I think you can even have some convictions for adult crimes that won't preclude you, but I may be wrong.

Just googled and though he will have to report the arrest to recruiters even being adjudicated delinquent on a non serious offense (such as the ones he was arrested for) will not require a a waiver.

As for caring about everyone's feelings, who are you? The PC police? Jk.

 

[Granny square]

Good. I'd hate to see his future ruined. A friend was kept out of med school for destroying a mail box when he was under 18.

I'm sorry to hear they are looking at a civil suit. I had high hopes that this would play out differently.

 

[foreUT]

But we don't know if the teacher made a big deal out if it or the kid did after he was told the shirt violated the code, hence the inciting a riot charge.

We also don't know if the kid was wearing a jacket over the shirt earlier in the day or why no one else thought to do something.

As for a juvenile arrest and not getting into the military, as far as I know it's not an issue. I think you can even have some convictions for adult crimes that won't preclude you, but I may be wrong.

I agree that he might have had a jacket or sweat shirt over the shirt, previously, but I just don't understand the need to pursue it in such a public area after the majority of the school day had passed. I hope there will not be any charges filed, which will lead to the law suit being dropped, and Jared can return to his life.

As far as the military, I believe it depends on which branch you wish to join and the specific recruiting office and its available pool of applicants. With a much smaller military in the future, who knows if that might not be a determining factor. (I knew someone whose son was denied for a (imo) minor [misdemeanor] graffiti incident in the 90's., so it does happen.)

 

[foreUT]

But we don't know if the teacher made a big deal out if it or the kid did after he was told the shirt violated the code, hence the inciting a riot charge.

We also don't know if the kid was wearing a jacket over the shirt earlier in the day or why no one else thought to do something.

As for a juvenile arrest and not getting into the military, as far as I know it's not an issue. I think you can even have some convictions for adult crimes that won't preclude you, but I may be wrong.

Just googled and though he will have to report the arrest to recruiters even being adjudicated delinquent on a non serious offense (such as the ones he was arrested for) will not require a a waiver.

As for caring about everyone's feelings, who are you? The PC police? Jk.

LOL!! Just know how difficult it is for teen boys to handle all those hormones and, in general, craziness, and think embarrassing one in front of his peers in the cafeteria for something that is not that dire, imo, is not necessary.

 

[okeydokey]

I would be interested in seeing is he will continue wearing the shirt. The Dad will most likely encourage it.

 

[chobie]

LOL!! Just know how difficult it is for teen boys to handle all those hormones and, in general, craziness, and think embarrassing one in front of his peers in the cafeteria for something that is not that dire, imo, is not necessary.

I do hope this does not effect his future. And Even though I do believe there was probable cause for an arrest, I don't think charges need to be filed by the DA.

 

[foreUT]

i do hope this does not effect his future. and even though i do believe there was probable cause for an arrest, i don't think charges need to be filed by the da.

ita!

 

[Granny square]

I would be interested in seeing is he will continue wearing the shirt. The Dad will most likely encourage it.

Lol, the average 13 year old boy would not need encouragement. I figure the school will be filled with them.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

Doesn't every school have a least one teacher that's hard on the students and strict on the rules? I know my schools always had one. It wouldn't have matter if I argued with the strictest, most obnoxious teacher or not. My parents would have explained to me why I was wrong not run to the media.

Whether its fair or not,there's a time and place for everything. Sometimes its best to keep your mouth shut and follow the rules.

No argument. I'd have been in deep doo-doo at home.