8th grader arrested,suspended for NRA tshirt

[chobie]

Exactly, -personally I'd love to know more about this, but in reality this is probably all we'll ever hear. The story will die out when the next scandal comes up, and we can all take up our appropriate stances again.
Till then I'll put my pitchfork & torch back in the closest and allow W. Virginia to remain un-marched upon.

Amen.

 

[Granny square]

Unless the kid was inciting a riot or being belligerent and out of control and the officer that happened to be stationed at the school had to be called over or happened to be there when his behavior reached a criminal level.

Or the poor young constitutional scholar was just ganged up on by 2nd Amendment hating teachers and administrators who then convinced a police officer to put his job on the line and arrest without probable cause.

Sure, either side is equally plausible.

Do you like mocking this kid? You never felt righteous indignation as a 13 year old? Thought something wrong or unfair? Spouted off about what you only sort of understood? I was a good kid but I did. You just sound pretty hateful towards him.

 

[foreUT]

Do you like mocking this kid? You never felt righteous indignation as a 13 year old? Thought something wrong or unfair? Spouted off about what you only sort of understood? I was a good kid but I did. You just sound pretty hateful towards him.

IMO, a lot of assumptions are being made about his behavior. Don't know why we, as a society, always seem to assume the worst of people that have different life-styles/opinions/beliefs than our own?

 

[Planogirl]

IMO, a lot of assumptions are being made about his behavior. Don't know why we, as a society, always seem to assume the worst of people that have different life-styles/opinions/beliefs than our own?

I see a lot of assumptions on both sides.

 

[chobie]

Do you like mocking this kid? You never felt righteous indignation as a 13 year old? Thought something wrong or unfair? Spouted off about what you only sort of understood? I was a good kid but I did. You just sound pretty hateful towards him.

No, I like mocking adults who believe a teenager's version of events and are quick to make assumptions about teachers, schools and police officers.

Kids break rules at school and disobey teachers all the time, but arrests at school for that are rare.

And yes, I spouted off at teachers and deserved the punishments I got for being a smart-assed know-it-all teenager. But I never acted in a way that got me arrested and my parents never ran to the media to misrepresent the situation. The kid was not suspended and arrested for wearing an NRA shirt and anyone with common sense knows there must be much more to the story than the kid's version.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

Unless the kid was inciting a riot or being belligerent and out of control and the officer that happened to be stationed at the school had to be called over or happened to be there when his behavior reached a criminal level.

Or the poor young constitutional scholar was just ganged up on by 2nd Amendment hating teachers and administrators who then convinced a police officer to put his job on the line and arrest without probable cause.

Sure, either side is equally plausible.

My guess is that like usual, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

 

[chobie]

My guess is that like usual, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Probably, I will grant you that. But the kid was NOT arrested for wearing an NRA t-shirt. The headlines are very misleading, but you know this will be urban legend now and 10 years down the road some NRA people will still be bringing this incident up as a "fact" that schools arrest children for merely wearing an NRA logo on their shirt.

 

[Granny square]

Probably, I will grant you that. But the kid was NOT arrested for wearing an NRA t-shirt. The headlines are very misleading, but you know this will be urban legend now and 10 years down the road some NRA people will still be bringing this incident up as a "fact" that schools arrest children for merely wearing an NRA logo on their shirt.

Lol, you are right about that. It will become a spam email. Like the school "making the girls kiss."

 

[chobie]

Lol, you are right about that. It will become a spam email. Like the school "making the girls kiss."

We may not always agree, but I like the cut of your jib!

 

[Granny square]

We may not always agree, but I like the cut of your jib!

Lol, same. It is ok to disagree and question. Some of my favorite relationships are built on that, because, as you can guess, I am opinionated!

 

[Gumbo4x4]

Probably, I will grant you that. But the kid was NOT arrested for wearing an NRA t-shirt. The headlines are very misleading, but you know this will be urban legend now and 10 years down the road some NRA people will still be bringing this incident up as a "fact" that schools arrest children for merely wearing an NRA logo on their shirt.

Headlines drive me nuts. Half the time they don't connect to the article AT ALL.

 

[foreUT]

This was from yesterday:

http://news.yahoo.com/w-va-teen-arrested-almost-012034855.html

IMO, the school video in the cafeteria should be shown and that would end all speculation. Don't know why the teacher felt the need to approach him in the cafeteria, though. If he/she considered it a violation of school policy, why didn't he/she contact a school administrator to address the issue? Why do it in such a public area of the school?

 

[Planogirl]

This was from yesterday:

http://news.yahoo.com/w-va-teen-arrested-almost-012034855.html

IMO, the school video in the cafeteria should be shown and that would end all speculation. Don't know why the teacher felt the need to approach him in the cafeteria, though. If he/she considered it a violation of school policy, why didn't he/she contact a school administrator to address the issue? Why do it in such a public area of the school?

At some schools teachers are assigned monitoring duties during lunch periods. Maybe this school requires that the teachers address such issues.

The mention of the boy trying to debate the point with the teacher is interesting. I know that in my school there was no debate and I wouldn't expect my son to try that either.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

Yeah, I have to assume the teacher chose that time to say something because that's when that teacher first saw the shirt.

I'd have had my butt whooped for refusing to cooperate with the teacher, and especially with the principal & officer. OTOH, some teachers don't approach such things with as much tact as do others.

 

[Granny square]

At some schools teachers are assigned monitoring duties during lunch periods. Maybe this school requires that the teachers address such issues.

The mention of the boy trying to debate the point with the teacher is interesting. I know that in my school there was no debate and I wouldn't expect my son to try that either.

To be clear my kids would have been in trouble had they not complied. .


BUT. I can see this happening. 8th grade social studies goal is to teach kids to be able to understand the rights they have, their historical past and to be able to debate it. Add that to 13 year old angst of all the students and spring fever and I can absolutely see this playing out.

Hopefully he doesn't jeopardize his military hopes with civil disobedience.

 

[chobie]

This was from yesterday:

http://news.yahoo.com/w-va-teen-arrested-almost-012034855.html

IMO, the school video in the cafeteria should be shown and that would end all speculation. Don't know why the teacher felt the need to approach him in the cafeteria, though. If he/she considered it a violation of school policy, why didn't he/she contact a school administrator to address the issue? Why do it in such a public area of the school?

Well, this is between the school district's lawyers and the kid's lawyer. We don't have a right to the reports and video because he is a juvenile and the school has to protect his privacy as well as the privacy of all the other kids in the video. The kid's lawyer knows this and is taking advantage of it to keep spinning the facts in his direction ($$$$$) and to keep this in the media spotlight.

The school has bigger problems then to worry about what arm chair lawyers out there think about incident.

 

[foreUT]

Well, this is between the school district's lawyers and the kid's lawyer. We don't have a right to the reports and video because he is a juvenile and the school has to protect his privacy as well as the privacy of all the other kids in the video.

The school has bigger problems then to worry about what arm chair lawyers out there think about incident.

Guess that's why there are 15 pages addressing the original post. LOL.

I heard there will be a civil suit, so it sounds as if it might become available.

 

[foreUT]

To be clear my kids would have been in trouble had they not complied. .


BUT. I can see this happening. 8th grade social studies goal is to teach kids to be able to understand the rights they have, their historical past and to be able to debate it. Add that to 13 year old angst of all the students and spring fever and I can absolutely see this playing out.

Hopefully he doesn't jeopardize his military hopes with civil disobedience.

I believe he should have asked to speak with the principal, if he felt so strongly about the issue. He was wrong to pursue his position with the teacher. But, teens don't always take the wisest course. I really don't understand wanting to embarrass a kid in the cafeteria, though, either. That is why I don't comprehend the need to address his shirt in such a large venue after five other teachers had seen the shirt and not considered it a problem. Couldn't there have been a note to go to the principal's office, rather than initiating a vocal confrontation in front of his peers? I have to wonder if "protecting his honor", in front of his classmates, especially considering they were cheering him on, was a contributing factor to this. That's why I believe the attorney mentioned the video, because there was a confrontation that did not need to occur in that public of a setting.

 

[chobie]

Guess that's why there are 15 pages addressing the original post. LOL.

I head there will be a civil suit, so it sounds as if it might become available.

Of course their will be a civil suit, silly! People love to sue school districts -- deep pockets!

But, this will probably take years to resolve, I wouldn't be sitting around waiting for the video to be released.

As for people on the interwebs discussing this, again the school district had bigger problems to deal with then to satisfy our bloodlust about this incident.

 

[3 MEN AND A BOAT]

I'd like to know what warranted the police as apposed to suspension or sent home. Although I don't have kids in school yet and it's been a while since I was in HS/MS and times might have changed. They still paddled kids when I went, and I would've gotten another when my mom got their.

I can only remember cops being called to our school maybe twice over the 13 yrs I was their. Is this a common practice now? That's what I'm having trouble with is what was so bad that the police were called. Simple disobeying isn't enough in my book.