8/17/08 Captain Jack's Repossession Repo Cruise to PC thru TPC Part 16

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I am not sure if this is a compliment or not but both DD's have friends playing and the game of choice at this moment is Simon Says.
Your post was up when they ran thru and DD said "She's hot", and then they all had to say you're hot. So..... if being called hot by a bunch of 7 and 11 year olds is good for you- there ya go! :lmao:

Oh good grief,take it where I can get it,I guess!:rotfl2:
 
i was working too......;)



Actually that would be a very smart energy saving "SMART GROWTH" proposal. (4boons would know what i'm getting at.) Too many people today think that need these space wasting, energy sucking, McMansions of 6-7,000 sf and our environment just can't handle it.

I think back to my DGP's who raised a family of 4 in a small row house in Port Richmond neighborhood of Phila. It was 2 bed, 1 bath, a LR, and a K/DR and small basement. Maybe 800 sf if that. Their parents immigrated and modest surroundings were pretty much the norm. My DGF refused to leave that house and at 93 still lived there until the day before he died this time last year(he was in the hospital prior.) A little strange but he was a good provider to his Family, worked hard in his own trash pickup business, and never forgot us kids on our b-days and such.

Would it......? Think of those scrimping by at $50,000 for 2 incomes (and yes, that's 2 full time better paying jobs in many rural areas.) say 5% was the flat tax $2,500. It's a lot when you only have a little.

Now then there's joe rich guy with 500,000 a yr . He probably does live in that 6,000 sf house with his wife and "staff". He only pays $10,000 but laughs it off cause to him it's a drop in the bucket.

BTW i honestly believe it would never be as low as 5% anyway.

OOOOH look a peanut!!!!! Chat time

I'm under the impression that some of the really wealthy - or if not wealthy - the high cash flow earners are using creative consultation to dodge paying significant taxes - while it's hard working general population sorts who have decent income but not enough clout or revenue to afford or obtain creative tax planning to get an "edge". I'm perhaps under the mistaken presumption that a lot of high flyers have an advantage the rest of the majority has no access to.

Of course, I'm no expert - but the AMT is also pinching us too... and that was never intended to target folks like my spouse and I - of that I'm sure. Now out of the corner of my screen I can see SIL posted something which I have not read yet - and he's the professional - so maybe I've shot off my opinion prematurely - and maybe not. I'm about to read with SIL said - and maybe I will or maybe I won't edit this. Wait and look for the tell tale editied time thing at the bottom.... :confused3

And SIL... I thought ther were discussions citing what various income strat pay in income taxes which suggested the extreme upper and lower income levels were not paying anything of consequence while the middle and upper middle income sorts wer shouldering the tax burdon. OK... now I gotta go google for some tax data .... excuse me

OK... I'm back - this chart below showing a summary with undocumented citation (except it's showing a period only 1979 to 1999) suggests the majority of the tax burdon is being paid by those between the top 5-20th% and that is what I am concerned with... the apparent inequity of this imbalance. In the quoted example above.... a flat tax of 5% would tag the family making $50,000 for $2,500 while the family making $500,000 would actually pay $25,000 (not $10,000). Which I suspect might be more than they actually pay as share of the national tax collected without a flat tax. AND - might I add that I suspect the family earning $10,000,000 is NOT paying thier fair share of taxes... IE, they should pay 5% or $500,000 in taxes with our imaginary 5% tax - but in the real world they escape paying this type of sum.

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Of course, if I ever grow my income to $10,000,000 a year I'll be singing a different song. And SIL... please forgive me for being perhaps professionally insensitive. My Cousin would probably have something to say too about this since he works in "TAX" as well (he'd slap me up-side the head I'm sure). Alas, I'm really just thinking what would make our system more fair - if there ever was such a thing - and what countries are doing well with thier tax collection mechanisms and systems?


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I am NO expert on this matter - just more of a laymans' uneducated opinion.

Ok... here's another tax table that is more current from a reliable source. I'm still musing the methodology and statement this is illustrating.

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Crash, there have been a couple of times that we've had a large family group that was divided among two sets of wait staff....and it worked out just fine. Our tables were still right next to eachother, and one thing we did the 2nd time, as the kids were a little older, we actually put all the kids at one large table and sat all the adults together...except for the smaller kids. We made sure the servers knew that they would be getting VERY WELL compensated for the fact that they had the kids....and the kids were threatened with their lives to behave as adults...and they did!!

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That's encourging Stace, thanks for the encouragement and insights.
 
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GM pirate:

Presently 75 going up to 92 here in Central Florida with 50% chance of rain

:hug: :grouphug: pixiedust: and prayers to everyone who is going to need it today

:welcome: aboard to all the newbies

Have a great Saturday
 
Bummer, I missed chat last night! I hope it was fun.

Hey Andy....I can post a picture of my leg in bandages if there's nothing new to read here...... ;)
Just need someone to paint my toes all purty.

Probably TMI, but I made DH paint my toes when I was pregnant and couldn't reach! Hey, we lived in FL, I couldn't walk around with naked toes!

I just dont see this law ever passing.

How does one measure square footage (which is a hot topic in the NYC apt market)? Is it from the outside dimenstion of your house, inside dimesions, how about basements that are finished or attics?

But like many tax laws... the politicians always talk about tax simplification, but they just keep on making it more and more complicated.

Keeps demand high in my field!

I'm sure it is all debatable, but doesn't the local govt. have housing square footage on record for property taxes. I'm sure that is flawed too, but I would think that somewhere out there is at least a good guess on record.

More tax stuff:

I totally agree that our current tax system is broken, and I'm certainly not arguing for status quo, however...

Flat tax has the potential to seriously effect charitable giving in the US, which is not necessarily a good thing. I make my living as a fundraiser (think 5-7 figure personal and corporate gifts, not selling candy bars or telesolicitation!). Many, many people and companies give because they want to make the world better, they believe in the organization's mission, etc. But tax deduction is ALWAYS in the back of their mind, if not the front for some.

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<<<SOAPBOX WARNING>>>

Without philanthropy, churches close, scouting costs to parents more than quadruple, homeless people don't have shelter or meals, no one shows up to help when your house burns down, greenspace is not preserved, costs of senior care and child care increase exponentially, university tuition increases phenomenally (yes, even at state schools), blood banks & hospitals close...

OK, hopping off my soapbox now.

So SINCE we still have tax deductions, let me ask a question to those of you who are much smarter than me in these matters...

Is there an internet calculator or some secret formula to figure out if I am better off keeping my child care deduction or starting a dependant care flexible spending account? I've never had the option of an FSA and I'm not sure which would be best. I would think that somewhere I could plug in our taxable income, and child care costs to come up with an answer - I just haven't found it yet!
 
Hey Cheryl, I just turned on TWC and saw that Chicago got down to 39* overnight setting a record low...........:cold:

That cold front is headed our way, not looking forward to it........:sad2:

Our furnace will be set to come on tonight!!! ;)

That 92* in Central Florida looks mighty good right about now Liz!!! :thumbsup2
 
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"Happy 17th"

to my

"Sweet Princess Angelina"

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Is there an internet calculator or some secret formula to figure out if I am better off keeping my child care deduction or starting a dependant care flexible spending account? I've never had the option of an FSA and I'm not sure which would be best. I would think that somewhere I could plug in our taxable income, and child care costs to come up with an answer - I just haven't found it yet!

There's usually a calculator on your benefit website. Using the DCFSA usually saved me a few hundred for the year.

But, I stopped using it because It took the company until March or April to issue my first reimbursement check. They never received the faxed requests, year after year. :sad2:
 
I'm under the impression that some of the really wealthy - or if not wealthy - the high cash flow earners are using creative consultation to dodge paying significant taxes - while it's hard working general population sorts who have decent income but not enough clout or revenue to afford or obtain creative tax planning to get an "edge". I'm perhaps under the mistaken presumption that a lot of high flyers have an advantage the rest of the majority has no access to.

Of course, I'm no expert - but the AMT is also pinching us too... and that was never intended to target folks like my spouse and I - of that I'm sure. Now out of the corner of my screen I can see SIL posted something which I have not read yet - and he's the professional - so maybe I've shot off my opinion prematurely - and maybe not. I'm about to read with SIL said - and maybe I will or maybe I won't edit this. Wait and look for the tell tale editied time thing at the bottom.... :confused3

And SIL... I thought ther were discussions citing what various income strat pay in income taxes which suggested the extreme upper and lower income levels were not paying anything of consequence while the middle and upper middle income sorts wer shouldering the tax burdon. OK... now I gotta go google for some tax data .... excuse me

OK... I'm back - this chart below showing a summary with undocumented citation (except it's showing a period only 1979 to 1999) suggests the majority of the tax burdon is being paid by those between the top 5-20th% and that is what I am concerned with... the apparent inequity of this imbalance. In the quoted example above.... a flat tax of 5% would tag the family making $50,000 for $2,500 while the family making $500,000 would actually pay $25,000 (not $10,000). Which I suspect might be more than they actually pay as share of the national tax collected without a flat tax. AND - might I add that I suspect the family earning $10,000,000 is NOT paying thier fair share of taxes... IE, they should pay 5% or $500,000 in taxes with our imaginary 5% tax - but in the real world they escape paying this type of sum.

ED-AC873_3tax04252005200401.gif

Of course, if I ever grow my income to $10,000,000 a year I'll be singing a different song. And SIL... please forgive me for being perhaps professionally insensitive. My Cousin would probably have something to say too about this since he works in "TAX" as well (he'd slap me up-side the head I'm sure). Alas, I'm really just thinking what would make our system more fair - if there ever was such a thing - and what countries are doing well with thier tax collection mechanisms and systems?


Bruce-slap.gif


I am NO expert on this matter - just more of a laymans' uneducated opinion.

Ok... here's another tax table that is more current from a reliable source. I'm still musing the methodology and statement this is illustrating.

Quintiles.jpeg


Your last graphic says it all. The top 20% of wage earners pay 80% of the tax. I bet they pay less than 80% in a flat tax regime.

There is no doubt that the real wealty can afford fancy tax advice - no different than how the wealthy also have better results when it comes to healthcare or the judicial system. But by and large many of the egregious schemes that folks used years ago have been shut down. The IRS has been doing a very good job clamping down on Tax Shelters of late.

I have seen alot of tax returns in my day and I would say the vast majority dont really play games (even the well to do). In fact most six and seven figure earners that I have seen are more honest on their returns (as they have a valid fear for increased audit risk - as higher income folks are several times more likely to face an audit).

The AMT, I agree is a total mess. When I started doing taxes 20 years ago, you almost didnt need to know what the AMT was (as it impacted so few). Nowadays, the AMT impacts the vast majority of taxpayers earning $100-500k that also live in high tax states (like NY, NJ, CA, MA). And by the way the AMT is basically a flat tax of either 26 or 28%. And its another flat tax I dont like at all!

Let face it our tax system is a mess. Tax simplification is likely a pipe dream. But every so often tax legislation gets passed that one would dream could never happen (tax free home sales every two years, estate tax REFORM, etc.).

Every year when a tax bill gets passed the Congress gives it a fancy name. Like the Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997. I always rename them the Tax Preparer Relief Act (as we are the ones who really benefit)!
 
Is there an internet calculator or some secret formula to figure out if I am better off keeping my child care deduction or starting a dependant care flexible spending account? I've never had the option of an FSA and I'm not sure which would be best. I would think that somewhere I could plug in our taxable income, and child care costs to come up with an answer - I just haven't found it yet!


I dont know of a calculator, but if your care costs are higher than the FSA cap (which I think is $5k in most circumstances) then you can take both the FSA bennie along with some part of the dependent care credit (for the costs over the $5k cap).

And if memory serves me correct, assuming your income is in excess of $40k the max dependant credit is 20% of your expenses. Thus, if you marginal tax rate exceeds 20% you would be better off with an FSA. Married Filing Joint move upto the 25% bracket (from the 15% bracket) when they hit $61,300 of Taxable Income (this is income after deductions) in 2006. So if you Taxable Income is over $61k - do the FSA.

***note the above only works if both spouses work and each has wages (or self employment income) in excess of the child care costs *** discuss with your tax advisor!
 
Is there an internet calculator or some secret formula to figure out if I am better off keeping my child care deduction or starting a dependant care flexible spending account? I've never had the option of an FSA and I'm not sure which would be best. I would think that somewhere I could plug in our taxable income, and child care costs to come up with an answer - I just haven't found it yet!

Hey M we missed you last night. I knew that Sil would take care of the accountant explanation of FSA. We do both. I did find this calculator. Hope this helps.
 
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