75 mins for HM!?!?!? Time to fire current Disney parks MGMT

[FLchick415]

What I don't understand is...why do people use going to Universal as an insult to others (and why do others take it as such?). Universal is FUN! It's your prerogative to vacation where you please and where you feel you get the best value. I can't wait until I can go back.

 

[flicx]

What I don't understand is...why do people use going to Universal as an insult to others (and why do others take it as such?). Universal is FUN! It's your prerogative to vacation where you please and where you feel you get the best value. I can't wait until I can go back.

I took no insult just saying the pizza is good at universal!

 

[FLchick415]

I took no insult just saying the pizza is good at universal!

I wasn't really referring to anyone here specifically, it just seems to be a common thing I see in these threads. (Maybe it's just me? ) I LOVE Disney, but I LOVE Universal just as much. I go there for my thrill ride fix. lol

 

[FlipHipster]

The cost issue is a given but, if instead of streamlining things you actually made times worse that is just fuel for the fire! Especially If you upset enough people to see attendance trending downwards!

I agree on that. IMO, these "problems" are symptoms of a bigger issue and they definitely don't help. The attendance trends will always be spun by Disney. If they drop, it will be due to the weather, the economy, sinkholes anything but MM+. If they have to make massive changes it will be "due to the overwhelming popularity of MM+" . I mean the people love it, look at all of them standing in line waiting to use it

 

[MolonLabe]

Herein lies the problem with the discussion. The "hardline" fans no matter what you say are not the big picture that Disney is trying to attract. They've already got those people coming 1, 2, 3 times a year sometimes. They want new people to come, they want to impress them with the technology (when it works right), they want to create more guests that will come more than once every 5-10 years or so.

I wonder how many they can retain?

Hardcore WDW travelers, which I consider myself to be, visit at least one full week a year. I also like an immersive experience, meaning my beach and non Disney time is spent before I get to WDW.

How much is Disney going to gain to offset my cancellations? This May was (because I just cancelled it over fp+) a spur of the moment trip due to the 24 , hour day. 8 days for my family of 5, we spend a decent amount at Disney, just the week long CR trips in Sept and Nov were probably more than most people spend in a lifetime of WDW visits.

I know colleagues just back from the past week to 2 months who won't go back till this is fixed.

WDW will lose my boune back for a week at Poly in Sept if the system isn't fixed by then as well.

How many "once a decade" people can they attract new to offset the losses of people like my friends and I? I am thinking they just assumed our business wouldn't change...

I think it's naive to look at the next quarter or three to judge the impact. Many people book 2 quarters out and may not be willing to cancel because of airline ticket and other reasons.

For us, we usually drive and spend 18 days in Florida for most trips (I fly home for a day if needed) visiting family and the beach in addition to wdw, it wasn't an issue to cancel and make other plans for our 8 days.

I really want to do MNsSHP again this year, I hope it's fixed by Sept. if it's not, they'll lose another $10k~ from us this year because I'm not going to Orlando for one night.

 

[flicx]

I agree on that. IMO, these "problems" are symptoms of a bigger issue and they definitely don't help. The attendance trends will always be spun by Disney. If they drop, it will be due to the weather, the economy, sinkholes anything but MM+. If they have to make massive changes it will be "due to the overwhelming popularity of MM+" . I mean the people love it, look at all of them standing in line waiting to use it

The attendance thing always makes me laugh. Disney refuses to release official numbers, TEA always guesses. Why not just release number of paid attendance every year? I agree about the MM plus thing Disney will never admit a failure there even if there is one!

 

[999DoomBuggies]

If I were a Disney exec in the line of fire, I would be more concerned about the cost overruns of a poorly planned project than a 75 min wait for one of the most popular attractions during one of the busiest times of the year. Something tells me they are way more concerned about that $1b number turning into a $2b number than someone waiting 30mins for a kiosk. They can fix kiosk issues a heck of a lot easier

Fair point, but the reality is that by the time disney hammers out the issues with MDE the technology will be extremely outdated. Basically, 1 billion has been thrown away thus far and disney seems content to throw more money at the issue. This debacle may turn out to be one of the biggest financial fails in modern times (excluding fraud fails).

 

[PlutoMars]

Fair point, but the reality is that by the time disney hammers out the issues with MDE the technology will be extremely outdated. Basically, 1 billion has been thrown away thus far and disney seems content to throw more money at the issue. This debacle may turn out to be one of the biggest financial fails in modern times (excluding fraud fails).

Over the top and delusional.

"biggest financial fails in modern times" much like this whole thread may go down as "one of the most overblown, paranoid, and delusional" in modern times.

 

[999DoomBuggies]

Over the top and delusional. "biggest financial fails in modern times" much like this whole thread may go down as "one of the most overblown, paranoid, and delusional" in modern times.

Thanks Pluto! No need to look at the front page of this forum and acknowledge the other similar complaints.

Can you name some other blunders costing 1 billion dollars not tied to fraud or govt?

 

[pooch]

The roped off area to the left is the standby line, and has a looping queue. The line with the red circle around it is the FP line. However, the holdup is all those people getting past the first set of Mickey Heads, and once past that you walk pretty much straight to the stretching room.

is that the standby line looks almost non-existant and to circle the FP line (which, as you say, gets bogged down at the mickey gead scan but then disappears) and say the wait is 75 minutes confuses me.

 

[Alice Royal]

*sigh* And the thread was going so nicely...

Sorry? Don't see why you're saying I 'ruined' a thread...or how that's even possible...

 

[PaulaVonSchweetz]

I was starting to get stressed out after reading all of the negatives posts on here about FP+ so I went to Trip Advisor and read recent reviews from people on their vacations. I feel much better now. It is the hard core Disney travelers that really do not like the changes. Most people who have went recently love the new system. This will be my 7th trip, but I have never been one to use more than one or two fp a day. If you are the few who were pulling 6 or more than I can see why you do not like FP+ but the majority of people do not tour like that. Therefore I do not think that the overall PR is negative.

I'm glad you did your own research. I am one of those hard core Disney traveler, and I for one absolutely love the recent changes. While I did have a few hiccups in the beginning, it has become something that makes my travels a bit easier.

It's very important for everyone to educate themselves as much as possible on MM+ and create their own experiences.

 

[EMode]

^^Perfect example of how we're scaring people away. Do you think Disney management really wants to please the hardcore nerds when it's THEM who are pushing away potential business?

Right, it couldn't possibly be anything Disney has done
Just think if there was no FP+ (or IT issues, or dirty bathrooms, or missing benches, or rude CMs, etc, etc) there'd be no "hardliners" complaining

 

[surferdave]

LOL......I can hear the board meetings now.

"We would have even more customers now if it weren't for our current whiny customers."

 

[Angel Ariel]

Maybe I'm weird (totally possible ), but if.someone chooses not to go to wdw after reading a message board, that's their issue. If I really, truly want to go some place, then negative posts on a fan lovers message board aren't going to stop me . But then, I don't put much stock in movie or restaurant reviews either

 

[jms]

I'm glad you did your own research. I am one of those hard core Disney traveler, and I for one absolutely love the recent changes. While I did have a few hiccups in the beginning, it has become something that makes my travels a bit easier.

It's very important for everyone to educate themselves as much as possible on MM+ and create their own experiences.

Thanks! I would encourage anyone who is going that is not a hard core Disney traveler to read the trip advisor reviews. I have only read the ones for Magic Kingdom. That was enough to give me more peace of mind. It also helps that I am aware of the crowd calendars and my kids are still young enough to pull out of school so we are going the end of April when the crowds should be lower.

I love the advice on these boards and all I am saying is that everyone has to realize that we all tour differently so some will enjoy the changes and others will not. It is not something that we are all going to agree on.

 

[mullysisters]

I don't like crowds, but I do like knowing I can ride my 3 favs at least once and maybe many more times. I spend more time at the resort than I used to.
It's cowded, people love it as much as we do. When the crowds get to be too much some will go elsewhere, find less structured vacations.
The first time I went to MK park with Mom and Dad, we rode PP hree times in a row because no one else was there. (1979)
Last October I rode EE 5 times in a row from the single rider line.

My Dad loved quoting Yogi Berra

"nobody goes there anymore........it's too crowded"

 

[pktbMouse]

LOL......I can hear the board meetings now.

"We would have even more customers now if it weren't for our current whiny customers."

reminds me of my Dad who said he would love Walt Disney world if it wasn't for all the dang kids..lol

 

[photobob]

I haven't liked the idea of FP+ since the inception and had no idea of the wait time implications at that time. That being said one of my facebook friends that is there now posted photos of the 5 times he rode EE yesterday at AK and the 3 times he rode Dinosaur as well as photos from multiple different attractions. I have no idea if he was using FP or not, or if he was using single rider lines-just know that he seem to be getting onto a lot of attractions. He is definitely a commando though, rope drop to close!

 

[Muziqal]

Thanks Pluto! No need to look at the front page of this forum and acknowledge the other similar complaints.

Can you name some other blunders costing 1 billion dollars not tied to fraud or govt?

Ummm...you didn't take business did you? Read the news? Use google (GTFG)? No?

1. BP - gulf spill
2. Exxon - valdez
3. Numerous electricity companies causing power grid failures
4. Tech bubble
5. Housing bubble?
6. Plenty of private company purchases or strategy changes costing >$1B
...just to name a few

Forbes has plenty of articles that might educate you on the matter. In the grand scheme, FP+ is...what's that term....Mickey Mouse?

The passion you seem to have for this topic is impressive...but perhaps misplaced. Would love to see that passion directed towards a cause that actually, I don't know, means something to the human race.