75 employees laid off at Pixar, including the director of Lightyear

[PolymerSkywalker]

I agree. I feel like with Lightyear, they wanted to make a film that would appeal to everyone but ended up appealing to almost no one. Reminds me a lot of Cars 2 which is still discussed as one of Pixar's worst films.

Though the reasoning as to why Disney canceled Nimona was cowardly, in a way I'm glad that it got to be its own thing. I do believe that if it had been released under Disney, the LGBT relationship would've been toned down or removed. Is it a perfect film? No, but it's a fun adventure with a cool futureistic medieval setting and characters you care about.

It all goes back to the story to me. Tell a great story that people want to see and they will accept any of your small agenda type stuff you throw in. The moment the audience suspects you are preaching to them or attempting to social engineer them, a percentage will check out.

 

[Smugpugmug]

It all goes back to the story to me. Tell a great story that people want to see and they will accept any of your small agenda type stuff you throw in. The moment the audience suspects you are preaching to them or attempting to social engineer them, a percentage will check out.

That's why I'm preaching for everyone to watch Nimona lol It's on Netflix if you have that. Like I said, it's not perfect (could use some edits for pacing and some scenes have backgrounds with not much going on) but it's a good time.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

I just think Lightyear was a really bad idea that was executed even worse than its idea was. If they had simply tried to truly make the film Andy saw that made him a buzz fan, with Tim Allen’s voice, it wouldn’t have flopped. No one was smart enough in the pitch room to know that though it seems.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

That's why I'm preaching for everyone to watch Nimona lol It's on Netflix if you have that. Like I said, it's not perfect (could use some edits for pacing and some scenes have backgrounds with not much going on) but it's a good time.

I will check it out, sounds pretty good.

 

[BrianL]

Why do things worry me so? Well
Mainly because Disney stock price and theatrical releases suck right now. I want Disney to rein supreme and for my stock holdings to increase in value.

I believe their current agenda driven management of their core businesses is hurting their performance. I believe their agenda first crap is hurting their theatrical release performances as well. I mean they just deconstructed yet another traditional hero in Indy 5, and it’s gonna cost them $300+ million dollars, but maybe I don’t know what I am talking about.

But, let me ask you, suppose Phoebe Waller-Bridge was NOT in Indy 5 and there was no Helena Shaw character? Do you think it suddenly changes to be a mega blockbuster? Honestly, most fan reaction seems to think it was a decent movie - maybe not great, but they aren't calling out for "deconstruction" a hero or anythign (which it doesn't do). How do you explane some "agenda-driven" movies doing super well and some that aren't doing poorly? You focus on this one little detail, when it's barely part of the equation.

 

[Smugpugmug]

I just think Lightyear was a really bad idea that was executed even worse than its idea was. If they had simply tried to truly make the film Andy saw that made him a buzz fan, with Tim Allen’s voice, it wouldn’t have flopped. No one was smart enough in the pitch room to know that though it seems.

I have absolutely NO clue why they didn't just take concepts from the Buzz Lightyear of Star Command show that was on Disney Channel back in the day. Loved that as a kid and would've loved that as a movie.

 

[BrianL]

I just think Lightyear was a really bad idea that was executed even worse than its idea was. If they had simply tried to truly make the film Andy saw that made him a buzz fan, with Tim Allen’s voice, it wouldn’t have flopped. No one was smart enough in the pitch room to know that though it seems.

It didn't need Tim Allen's voice - it should have had Patrick Wharburton!

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

Smug: I have absolutely NO clue why they didn't just take concepts from the Buzz Lightyear of Star Command show that was on Disney Channel back in the day. Loved that as a kid and would've loved that as a movie.

Bingo……only logical answer is dumb people making important decisions in recent years.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

But, let me ask you, suppose Phoebe Waller-Bridge was NOT in Indy 5 aqnd there was no Helena Shaw character? Do you think it suddenly changes to be a mega blockbuster? Honestly, most fan reaction seems to think it was a decent movie - maybe not great, but they aren't calling out for "deconstruction" a hero or anythign (which it doesn't do). How do you explane some "agenda-driven" movies doing super well and some that aren't doing poorly? You focus on this one little detail, when it's barely part of the equation.

Give me an example of an agenda driven movie in the last few years that has made a bunch of money to consider please? One isn’t coming to mind.

 

[Disneychick13]

I mean, to be fair, they've only released three animated films since Encanto. Two had a pretty rough go at the theaters and is at least doing okay - maybe not "profitable" but generally well received. Sci-Fi is always a bit niche, so they shouldn't have released Lightyear and Strange World in the same year for sure.

That is true and why they released light year and strange world in the same year is beyond me. Even though I do like sci fi in general I do not like animated sci fi. It’s weird I know.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

It didn't need Tim Allen's voice - it should have had Patrick Wharburton!

Yep that would work too. He kinda appears to be emulating Tim in that old show though.

 

[mdmost]

Give me an example of an agenda driven movie in the last few years that has made a bunch of money to consider please? One isn’t coming to mind.

Avatar 2. Black Panther 2

Regarding Indy 5 not doing well. Maybe people just aren't interested in seeing 80 year old Harrison Ford playing that character now since it's an action movie and he's an old man. I enjoyed it thoroughly. Did it need to be made, not really.

 

[BrianL]

Give me an example of an agenda driven movie in the last few years that has made a bunch of money to consider please? One isn’t coming to mind.

Well, I don't really believe that they actually are "agenda driven" movies, but you do. The biggest recent example might be "Spider-Verse" which is literally the poster-child for the diversity-first approach. Wakanda Forever? You hate on Captain Marvel, but it made $1.1B.

 

[BrianL]

That is true and why they released light year and strange world in the same year is beyond me. Even though I do like sci fi in general I do not like animated sci fi. It’s weird I know.

Well, I think you are in the majority in not liking animated sci-fi. They never seem to do well. Honestly though, the number one box-office killer is timing!

 

[Smugpugmug]

Well, I don't really believe that they actually are "agenda driven" movies, but you do. The biggest recent example might be "Spider-Verse" which is literally the poster-child for the diversity-first approach. Wakanda Forever? You hate on Captain Marvel, but it made $1.1B.

Yeah my answer would've been the two Spiderverse movies too. I find that TV shows for kids are doing way more for the diversity front. Steven Universe from CN and Owl House come to mind.

 

[starlite_]

Why is mine the "nasty" take? Seems like his response was significantly more aggressive than mine. Is it "nasty" that because you didn't like my pointing out all of the female leads in current / upcoming Disney projects as a respectful rebuttal to someone saying white females were under-represented?

Dude, you aren't helping yourself here. You either come out looking misogynist or racist. How did you say in your previous comment? Take the L?

And you keep talking about an agenda, do you really need to ask why yours is the nasty take?

 

[Jwaire]

Honestly, most fan reaction seems to think it was a decent movie - maybe not great, but they aren't calling out for "deconstruction" a hero or anythign (which it doesn't do). How do you explane some "agenda-driven" movies doing super well and some that aren't doing poorly? You focus on this one little detail, when it's barely part of the equation.

It was way better than the 4th one, IMO. Of the releases this year, it had the better story.

Avatar 2.

Come on, it's James Cameron. The first Avatar was the same. It's his thing. Visual effects spectacles and a repeat of the storyline in Fern Gully.

 

[irlandaise]

Give me an example of an agenda driven movie in the last few years that has made a bunch of money to consider please? One isn’t coming to mind.

How are you defining "agenda-driven movie"?

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

How are you defining "agenda-driven movie"?

Ask Brian as my response was to his post:

Brian: But, let me ask you, suppose Phoebe Waller-Bridge was NOT in Indy 5 aqnd there was no Helena Shaw character? Do you think it suddenly changes to be a mega blockbuster? Honestly, most fan reaction seems to think it was a decent movie - maybe not great, but they aren't calling out for "deconstruction" a hero or anythign (which it doesn't do). How do you explane some "agenda-driven" movies doing super well and some that aren't doing poorly? You focus on this one little detail, when it's barely part of the equation

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

Avatar 2. Black Panther 2

Regarding Indy 5 not doing well. Maybe people just aren't interested in seeing 80 year old Harrison Ford playing that character now since it's an action movie and he's an old man. I enjoyed it thoroughly. Did it need to be made, not really.

Black Panther perfectly portrayed on screen like he was in the comics that I read. Not seeing that one, but do you mean the diverse cast? I pretty much mirrors the comics pretty darn closely.

Avatar 2 is a reach. A huge spectacle, visually stunning, and strong family values are the key to the story. Not sure I can see this one as agenda driven, are you speaking to the humans are trash and destroy things elements. Well we do, have you never seen the pricks in the park throwing trash on the ground?

Agree with a lot of your take on Indy 5. Not sure many people wanted this made, but KK sure wanted to make though didn't she. Been described as her "pet project" for like 7-8 years now.