5 in a 1-B/R: A poll, NOT a debate

[ncligs]

I am in total agreement with DVCDAVE, members know the rules when they puchase into DVC.Rules are not made to be "Broken"!!!!!

 

[vernon]

I agree that people should stick to the rules as they are at a particular time BUT that doesn't mean it shouldn't be possible to discuss a possible/hypothetical change about those rules. IF the rules were changed to allow 5 in a studio, because that was deemed in the interests of the membership, I wouldn't object and I don't think any sensible person would.Indeed in any sensible democracy the abilty to change rules and laws as they become obsolete or in need of improvement is a vital cog allowing that society to improve and evolve.

Voting to change the rules, is not the same as encouraging people to break the rules. JMHO

 

[CaptainMidnight]

Disney allowing however many people into a room they wish isn't breaking the law or any DVC contractual agreement.

People need to read thier contract carefully, this hard and fast concrete rule they are trying to say is included, doesn't exist as one. It is up to Disney. You also have no knowledge of what fire limits the resorts were designed for.

Funny that some folks don't have any problem about breaking the discussion guidelines that were set up for this poll. It clearly asks that this not be a debate and some posts are clearly outside those guidelines.

This is a poll. And the poll is showing the strong majority of people are OK with Disney allowing 5 in a room (I interpret that one bedroom).

I think the poll is a great idea and can help put the discussion to rest. I guess some folks are just frustrated that the results of the poll aren't supporting thier view.

79 - no
160 - yes (with some stipulations)

 

[Eeyore2U]

I think the poll is a great idea and can help put the discussion to rest. I guess your just frustrated that the results of the poll aren't supporting your view.

I think the poll, albeit a nice thought, gives people a false sense of hope. The bottom line is that the rules support my vote and the poll won't change the rules.

 

[RobDoc]

Please keep this discussion to the topic. As always, this has begun to drift towards personal comments and that won't be tolerated.

Thanks!

 

[CaptainMidnight]

The bottom line is that the rules support my vote

People need to read thier contract carefully, this hard and fast concrete rule they are trying to say is included, doesn't exist as one. It is up to Disney. Please refer to the debate forum for details.

 

[Richyams]

I think that it was Disney's and the salespeople's lust for sales that caused there to be a discrepency in the first place. I think Disney is wrong for lowering the value of my purchase by relaxing the rules so that they could get more sales.

I think the "under 3 in a porta-crib" is an acceptable exception to the occupany limt, but anything further than that does nothing but diminish the vacation experience we all bought.

And I still don't understand how "Sleeps 4" can be interperted as 5, 6, or 7 room occupants is fine.....but I guess that is what law school is for.

 

[CaptainMidnight]

Please keep this discussion to the topic.

Thanks Doc. Advice taken.

 

[DVCDAVE]

Under Florida Fire Code Law the resort is required to post a Map of the floor plan along with the fire exits clearly marked. I have seen in some states that they are also required to post the occupant limit for that room. I hadn't noticed during my visits if this is true for DVC or not. Has anyone noticed this posting in during their stay ? Ususally the posting is on the back of the enterance door.

I also agree with Eeyore2U. While this poll may show results that support for 5 or more in a studio, a rule is a rule. A civilazation without rules, is a civilaztion without the rule of law, and is not a civilaztion at all.

Somehow, we DVC members are supposed to feel that we should accomodate every families need. Frankly, I feel that it is the purchasers responsibility, not us DVC members, to assess their needs and buy an appropriate amount of points to accomodate those needs. One does not hold Volkswagon resposible when they buy a Beetle, and they have a family of six, why should DVC be any differant ?

 

[CaptainMidnight]

One does not hold Volkswagon resposible when they buy a Beetle, and they have a family of six, why should DVC be any differant ?

Please take continuing debate responses to the debate board. The originator asked for this to be a poll, not a debate.

no - 84

Yes - 167 (with some stipulations)

 

[Caskbill]

Rules ARE Rules

<b>If we agree on that point, then remember this:</b>

1. The rules of the DIS board specifically require that all debate on the 5-in a room question takes place on the DEBATE board.

2. The rules of this thread state that this is NOT to be a debate, or even a discussion (which quickly leads to debate) on other posters' remarks.

3. The rule of this thread is that it is a POLL to receive members' inputs or thoughts about 5-in a ONE-B/R unit. It has nothing to do with Studios or 2-B/R's, or with other NON-DVC hotels, Disney or otherwise.

4. This has nothing to do with the CURRENT DVC guidlines of 4/4/8/12. And DO NOT start analyzing the ongoing poll results to support anything one way or the other. That's debate!

<b>Remember you are debating if you do any of the following:</b>

1. You present your idea, thoughts, or concerns, and then give examples, or calculations, or whatever trying to support your argument. That's a debate, not an opinion. Having concerns about increased dues, or cost of a roll-away bed, or overcrowding are fine, but as soon as you start to make tables of calculations, or comparing to other hotels, or to other situations, you are presenting ARGUMENTS to support a case. And that is debating, and it simply encourages others to present COUNTER-ARGUMENTS, and then we're well into the debate mode.

2. If you as a poster, cut and paste someone else's remark, and then present an argument against it, you DEFINITELY have gone into a debate.

3. If you use the words "you" or "your" at all while refering to someone else's post, then you ARE DEBATING. It makes no difference if you are supporting their post, or opposing their post.

Thanks for your support on this. Yes, it's ONLY an OPINION poll, but it may present a good insight into members' personal feelings or concerns on this issue. AS MENTIONED BEFORE, when the poll has run its' course, I will create a Report of the findings and then we can debate that all we want....on the debate board, of course.

We went so long before Doc had to finally jump in. I don't think we'd get a 2nd warning. So bite your tongue, please, present your own opinion, and leave it at that.

We have our ground rules. Let's follow them!

 

[CaptainMidnight]

Nice Job Caskbill. Thank you for the guidelines.

No - 86
Yes - 170

 

[littlestar]

Hi.

We're new members.

I called member services this week to ask about if our daughters needed Old Key West IDs if they spend a night with us (they are staying at the All Stars - one with her show choir and the other with college girlfriends). Member Services told me to keep in mind that the night we stay in a one bedroom, five total can stay, but there's only bedding for four! So I took that to mean if I had three kids, make sure you bring a sleeping bag or something. (I've only got two kids).

 

[CaptainMidnight]

no - 89

yes - 180 (with some stipulations)

 

[Eeyore2U]

Captain, I repsect the math. There is a serious flaw in the representation of the poll imo.

 

[brittsmum1998]

Where would the "serious flaw" be. It even gives the option of other......

 

[Bill K]

The writing is on the wall !!

 

[robinb]

I'm so not sure that the "Make 5 officially OK, but not supply any extra bedding or towels (basically you're on your own)" votes should be tallied in with the "Max 5" grouping. I'm not sure it belongs in the "Max 4" grouping either. Maybe it is 3rd option to itself.

My guess is these folks are the "live and let live" type and are uncomfortable with the strident wording of the first option ("Enforce" and "No Exceptions"). They don't want to change DVC to make it easier to fit 5 ("basically you're on your own"), but they can understand when someone stretches the rules when they have 3 kids (or a guest who invites another guest).

I personally voted in the "Other" category because I had an idea to throw out (a daybed), but I could have easily voted (1) if I was feeling inflexible at the time or (2) if I was feeling generous .

 

[Eeyore2U]

Originally posted by brittsmum1998
Where would the "serious flaw" be. It even gives the option of other......

The flaw would be not asking are you willing to pay for the initial investment. Another flaw would be not asking if you would be willing to take an increase in dues. Another flaw was not to ask would it be worth $100/night. Another might be would you agree to relinquish your membership if got caught over the limit of 5.

Polls are flawed since you have limited choices even though the choice other exists..

 

[CaptainMidnight]

I think we are getting into "Hairsplitting".

The wide margin in the poll clearly indicates the strong preferences from those taking the poll.

If it were very close, maybe hairsplitting interpretations would apply, but it is almost 2 to 1 in favor of 5 being OK (some with stipulations).