5/24/24, PVB association license amendment (5/30/24 updated to Approved)…confirmed adding tower weeks

The difference with VGF was that everything declared in the 2 101 Resort Villa units of VGF2 was a completely different room type than existed in VGF1, so it’s just tacked on to the old one in an extra column.
Oh yes, that’s why it’s two different booking categories, right? So the tower and the longhouses should also be two different booking categories.
 
Look at page #11 of this one, it talks about reallocation after adding a new home type. I just wonder about the Poly point chart and "reallocation" https://cdn1.parksmedia.wdprapps.di...docs/MS_POS_Insert_12_2022_clean_12222022.pdf

Since that is the maximum reallocation chart, I think it would impact PVB charts only for the rooms that end up being the exact same type.

Meaning, if the studios were the exact same room and type, and there are more, it could impact the numbers.

But, I am not expecting that because the drawings seem to indicate the studios at PVB tower will not have the split bath…which to me means they might categorize them differently.

So, you will see the chart with the new categories added…since PVB doesn’t have 1 and 2 bedrooms, or 2 bedroom penthouses.

Other than that, I don’t see the actual charts being impacted.
 

Well my contract is still sitting at Disney, so this tracks. I was hoping the ROFR monster would leave me be since its an international seller.
 
I have no firsthand knowledge of this situation. What I understand from reading the anecdotal history, is that there was (past tense) a privileged source of information. Disney was unhappy with the disclosure of sensitive information and sent a cease-and-desist letter.
I remember before Poly Villas were announced, he published a plan that included a tower where the one being constructed is, plus another new building where Pago Pago is. Tokelau and Moorea were as is. I can’t imagine Disney was happy about it, especially when they scaled it back. I think it’s still online because when the new tower was announced, I searched for it. The tower on the original plan was more square.
 
I remember before Poly Villas were announced, he published a plan that included a tower where the one being constructed is, plus another new building where Pago Pago is. Tokelau and Moorea were as is. I can’t imagine Disney was happy about it, especially when they scaled it back. I think it’s still online because when the new tower was announced, I searched for it. The tower on the original plan was more square.
I love to have fun with rumors and gossip as much as the next person. Although there were probably mistakes in the way I explained it, I do understand the spirit of the law, and I draw the line at other people’s MNPI. Concrete strategic expansion plans, verified by an internal source, are nothing other than MNPI 🤷🏼‍♀️ I’m sure they were pissed.
 
Correct, the tower is an extension of the current PVB association so it has the same rules. Direct can be used anywhere, resale can be used in the original 14.
So the new poly tower will have the best of both worlds?

Direct points to use anywhere including Riviera but without the Riviera resale restrictions since the poly tower will belong to the old association? Resale would be able to book at the original 14?

Sounds like I should wait to purchase direct until the poly tower goes on sale and not purchase Riviera direct….
 
So the new poly tower will have the best of both worlds?

Direct points to use anywhere including Riviera but without the Riviera resale restrictions since the poly tower will belong to the old association? Resale would be able to book at the original 14?

Sounds like I should wait to purchase direct until the poly tower goes on sale and not purchase Riviera direct….
Seems like. There’s been some decent arguments in other threads as to why a direct RIV purchase can make more sense over a direct Poly purchase. But if you don’t actually need any direct points and if you can wait a few months/year buy resale when it normalizes again. If you don’t really like RIV much more than Poly, and/or don’t care to have a long expiry Epcot resort, it really makes the most sense to buy poly. Though I still think you may as well wait until the resale prices come down and buy resale then, would make the purchase even sweeter to get it at a much better price than direct.

RIV is my favorite resort, Poly a close second but Poly is the collective family favorite resort and we’ve cleaned out all our points there through to 2026🫣 that’s the only reason we’re feeling a bit impatient and want to buy direct…we’ll see what starting prices and incentives look like before we commit to that though. I think we also still want another 100-150pts at RIV but I’m one of the hopeless ones that thinks there might be flash sale before it sells out, kind of like they did for VGF2 so I can make do with our current points for a while longer. As always though, YMMV.
 
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So the new poly tower will have the best of both worlds?

Direct points to use anywhere including Riviera but without the Riviera resale restrictions since the poly tower will belong to the old association? Resale would be able to book at the original 14?

Sounds like I should wait to purchase direct until the poly tower goes on sale and not purchase Riviera direct….
I cannot currently imagine buying points at a resale restricted resort (at least not before they replace BCV and BWV with restricted resorts) so I’m not trying to push Riviera— but I don’t think the analysis between RIV and PVB is so clear cut— we have to see what they price PVB2 at versus what RIV sells for today— I do think resale restrictions are a drag on resale pricing — but if direct pricing is more than $20-30 higher for PVB, I’m not confident that you it’s resale will maintain that spread over RIV in another 15-25 years… especially given the difference in expiration dates.

If my goal was best bang for my buck short and long-term term (but I was also determined to buy direct this year), I’d probably be signing a contract on RIV towards the end of this cycle— I think there’s a real chance Poly2 is MUCH more expensive, and I could imagine them dialing back on RIV incentives to make PVB prices look less crazy in comparison.
 
The question is now, will the tower help or hurt the owners of Polynesian. People thought that BPK was going to ruin availability at VGF but it doesn't seem that happened to any large extent.

Maybe they'll take this opportunity to rebalance the points a bit and make the bungalows a bit more approachable?
 
Seems like. There’s been some decent arguments in other threads as to why a direct RIV purchase can make more sense over a direct Poly purchase. But if you don’t actually need any direct points and if you can wait a few months/year buy resale when it normalizes again. If you don’t really like RIV much more than Poly, and/or don’t care to have a long expiry Epcot resort, it really makes the most sense to buy poly. Though I still think you may as well wait until the resale prices come down and buy resale then, would make the purchase even sweeter to get it at a much better price than direct.

RIV is my favorite resort, Poly a close second but Poly is the collective family favorite resort and we’ve cleaned out all our points there through to 2026🫣 that’s the only reason we’re feeling a bit impatient and want to buy direct…we’ll see what starting prices and incentives look like before we commit to that though. I think we also still want another 100-150pts at RIV but I’m one of the hopeless ones that thinks there might be flash sale before it sells out, kind of like they did for VGF2 so I can make do with our current points for a while longer. As always though, YMMV.

If you are OK with preferred view at Riviera, then owning at Polynesian is fine. But if you want standard views at Riviera, especially tower studios and standard view deluxe studios, it's best to own there.
 
The question is now, will the tower help or hurt the owners of Polynesian. People thought that BPK was going to ruin availability at VGF but it doesn't seem that happened to any large extent.

Maybe they'll take this opportunity to rebalance the points a bit and make the bungalows a bit more approachable?

Well, it seems to me that booking the deluxe studios in the original building are harder than they were before. We bought to use mostly 1 bedrooms and so far, that has been okay, and having the resort studios have certainly opened up more options for those who don't care which type of studio to get.

I do not see them rebalancing the bungalows, even if legally allowed...some believe they cant....because in the end those get booked so there is no reason to adjust.
 
I cannot currently imagine buying points at a resale restricted resort (at least not before they replace BCV and BWV with restricted resorts) so I’m not trying to push Riviera— but I don’t think the analysis between RIV and PVB is so clear cut— we have to see what they price PVB2 at versus what RIV sells for today— I do think resale restrictions are a drag on resale pricing — but if direct pricing is more than $20-30 higher for PVB, I’m not confident that you it’s resale will maintain that spread over RIV in another 15-25 years… especially given the difference in expiration dates.

If my goal was best bang for my buck short and long-term term (but I was also determined to buy direct this year), I’d probably be signing a contract on RIV towards the end of this cycle— I think there’s a real chance Poly2 is MUCH more expensive, and I could imagine them dialing back on RIV incentives to make PVB prices look less crazy in comparison.
That’s what I’m afraid of, the riviera incentives decreasing next go around….

But my husband isn’t 100% on board yet so I have to wait for now and make sure we’re making the right decision. I could wait until 2025 as I don’t need points until 2026 anyways. I wonder what it will all look like in a year?
 
So the new poly tower will have the best of both worlds?

Direct points to use anywhere including Riviera but without the Riviera resale restrictions since the poly tower will belong to the old association? Resale would be able to book at the original 14?

Sounds like I should wait to purchase direct until the poly tower goes on sale and not purchase Riviera direct….
Bingo
 
The question is now, will the tower help or hurt the owners of Polynesian. People thought that BPK was going to ruin availability at VGF but it doesn't seem that happened to any large extent.

Maybe they'll take this opportunity to rebalance the points a bit and make the bungalows a bit more approachable?
It has hurt availability. Deluxe Studios are much, much harder to get than before BPK came into the fold.
 
And that’s what makes me want to wait for the new poly tower, I like the location of Riviera but I don’t want to be stuck if I have to sell…..

I’m not opposed to the location of the Poly and from what I understand the points at the Poly are very easy to find renters for 🤷🏻‍♀️
 
Well, it seems to me that booking the deluxe studios in the original building are harder than they were before. We bought to use mostly 1 bedrooms and so far, that has been okay, and having the resort studios have certainly opened up more options for those who don't care which type of studio to get.

I do not see them rebalancing the bungalows, even if legally allowed...some believe they cant....because in the end those get booked so there is no reason to adjust.
I couldn’t get a VGF deluxe studio for a day I wanted in May 2025 at the 11 month mark on the actual day booking opened because I waited until the evening to book. 😢 guess ya gotta jump on at 8 am 🤷🏼‍♀️. I ended up taking a longhouse because those were wide open and I have a Poly contract. I’ll see if I can modify it in the future to a tower room.
 



















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