2026 points chart?

[DVCsloth]

Agree with @Genie+ on selling and the nature of evolving needs. I struggle to think of a new buyer with 150 points at RR. You are only getting a few nights in 1BR without banking/borrowing. You are only getting a week in the two lowest seasons with using two years of points. That isn’t a sales pitch I would want to make for 34k.

One option we like is to book Sunday through Thursday in a 1 BR. This also allows us to miss the weekends where it is so crowded.

 

[McCrae]

If a resort had 100 studios and 50 1 bedrooms and they raised the studio points by 1 would that the one-bedroom points would be lowered by 2?

I agree with the several posters who like the access of 1 bedroom at 7 months because of the point allocation.

Yes

 

[Cfabar1]

One option we like is to book Sunday through Thursday in a 1 BR. This also allows us to miss the weekends where it is so crowded.

A lot of members like doing this - the original points charts were even less kind with weekends... there were reports in those days of snow birds who would stay Sunday through Thursday at the Disney Vacation Club (now called Old Key West), and then move out on the weekends and move back in on Sunday to stretch their points further....

 

[atthebeachclub]

Agree with @Genie+ on selling and the nature of evolving needs. I struggle to think of a new buyer with 150 points at RR. You are only getting a few nights in 1BR without banking/borrowing. You are only getting a week in the two lowest seasons with using two years of points. That isn’t a sales pitch I would want to make for 34k.

And then the point chart gets even tougher at the new Polynesian. If you own there, you will want a big pile of resale points to supplement.

 

[Cfabar1]

And then the point chart gets even tougher at the new Polynesian. If you own there, you will want a big pile of resale points to supplement.

Or those points turn into very cheap ways to stay at OKW or the cabins.

That is in my mind a huge reason why the cabins aren’t selling. Why pay those dues when you can use your direct RIV or Poly points to stay there.

 

[atthebeachclub]

Or those points turn into very cheap ways to stay at OKW or the cabins.

That is in my mind a huge reason why the cabins aren’t selling. Why pay those dues when you can use your direct RIV or Poly points to stay there.

I have considered eventually buying some direct points at Polynesian specifically to stay elsewhere…

 

[walt34]

Either rack rates are underpriced in 1BRs or point charts are overpriced.

No, cash prices and point charts serve different purposes. With cash prices, Disney maximizes profit. They care about the absolute revenue they get more than about the total occupancy. So the 1BR price is set at a level where they can upsell people who don't need them to the next higher category. They don't care if more rooms remain unoccupied if the overall revenue is higher.

Point charts are optimized for maximizing occupancy. Disney doesn't get any additional revenue from increasing one category because the have to lower the points in other areas.

Another aspect to consider is that cleaning costs for 1BRs are significantly higher than for a studio because of the kitchen.

 

[Mouseforward]

There is no way I would waste points on a 1br. I do studio for 1-2 and 2 br for 3 and up. The rules of the game were known to all when we purchased.

 

[eticketplease]

There is no way I would waste points on a 1br. I do studio for 1-2 and 2 br for 3 and up. The rules of the game were known to all when we purchased.

Thank you!! That really helps us out as we like to 7 month into 1 bedrooms.

 

[AstroBlasters]

There is no way I would waste points on a 1br. I do studio for 1-2 and 2 br for 3 and up. The rules of the game were known to all when we purchased.

The rules of the game are that DVC has the ability to reallocate the point chart with certain parameters.

People who want cheap studios are going to go hard in the paint for studios and people who stay in villas are going to want slightly cheaper villas.

As stated above, the point chart is detached from the cash prices…. which leads the villas people to feel that we are subsidizing the studios.

People who are all about cheap SAPs like the current system because they can get in at BC or BW in a 1bd when a studio or 2 bd is rarely available.

 

[Cfabar1]

@AstroBlasters has it exactly right.

Also different use cases for different members.

For us young kids we don’t feel comfortable with the second bedroom right now. It isn’t about points amount necessarily. It’s about a second door but wanting the kitchen and washer and dryer. And then being so little that we want them closer by but still want privacy.

 

[zavandor]

As stated above, the point chart is detached from the cash prices…. which leads the villas people to feel that we are subsidizing the studios.

Do you think the rooms you are booking are not worth the points? Then why are you booking them?

 

[AstroBlasters]

Do you think the rooms you are booking are not worth the points? Then why are you booking them?

Nice rage bait. Pass.

 

[zavandor]

Nice rage bait. Pass.

You have bought your DVC contract knowing how much the 1BR cost. You keep booking them so you think double the square footage and the extra amenities are worth it. You are not selling so you are still happy to continue to spend those points in the foreseeable future. And yet you feel you are subsidising other types of room.

 

[AstroBlasters]

You have bought your DVC contract knowing how much the 1BR cost. You keep booking them so you think double the square footage and the extra amenities are worth it. You are not selling so you are still happy to continue to spend those points in the foreseeable future. And yet you feel you are subsidising other types of room.

Yes. No. N/A. Yes.

 

[atthebeachclub]

You have bought your DVC contract knowing how much the 1BR cost. You keep booking them so you think double the square footage and the extra amenities are worth it. You are not selling so you are still happy to continue to spend those points in the foreseeable future. And yet you feel you are subsidising other types of room.

I think it is ok to know how much the 1 bedrooms are, mostly avoid them due to the high point cost, and still feel like the 1 bedrooms are subsidizing other types of rooms. That is where I am.

 

[eticketplease]

You have bought your DVC contract knowing how much the 1BR cost.

When it comes to buying more O14 SAP absolutely!!

I look at the most expensive resort (was VGF now PVB) at the category that has the most rooms to book during the most expensive time for a week.

This allows me to take advantage of everybody’s hate for the 1 br point charts and come in at 7 months and snag what I want.

 

[zavandor]

I think it is ok to know how much the 1 bedrooms are, mostly avoid them due to the high point cost, and still feel like the 1 bedrooms are subsidizing other types of rooms. That is where I am.

Subsidizing how? In which way do you think your money help pay for studios?

 

[tom1944]

I only want to stay in 1 bedroom 2 bath or 2 bedrooms. Since we are new resale owners taking our third trip in August our plan is to cycle through the OP14 resorts.

When I researched the purchase, I understood that while the points had an allocation by time period and unit size as long as the total points remained the same there could be changes. The changes seemed to be de minimis, so it was not a huge issue for me. If they happen to adjust the 1 bedroom that would be great, but it is not something that I expect. If the changes made the 1 bedroom/2bath units so difficult to get at 7 months that would be the most negative result for me.

 

[Lorana]

While it is true that Disney can reallocate points with certain parameters, those parameters include:

• The total points for a year cannot increase (holiday/date fluctuations taken into account)
• Your total % ownership of a unit cannot be changed

Important language in the POS: “that the total number of Home Resort Vacation Points existing within a given Unit (i.e., the amount of Home Resort Vacation Points representing 100% of the Ownership Interests in a given Unit) at any time may not be increased or decreased because of any such reallocation."

One of the biggest reasons for the 2020 rollback was because the lockoff premium materially changed the points of a vacation home unit and affected the ownership interests.

While the water is a little murky for resorts that have no dedicated 1BRs, they usually have dedicated studios, so it’s possible to calculate ownership and see if they are violating this rule.

DVC did violate this rule after the Treehouse Villas were added to SSR and they rebalanced their point chart, increasing THVs and decreasing 2BRs. I owned contracts whose units were both and I calculated out the difference and my ownership % changed (if you search there’s a post on here some time ago about it), but not enough owners cared - honestly enough other owners benefited - so there was not the outcry to fix it like there was the 2020 charts. The 2020 charts materially affected everyone, there was a huge outcry, and Disney rolled them back.

So Disney can reallocate across seasons and dates and such within a given vacation home, but they cannot really allocate across vacation home units, per the POS (the exception being the trust CFW is in). And even if they could, there would likely be enough of an outcry that for PR reasons Disney is unlikely to try it. Thankfully there are some people who analyze changes in the points charts and post them to help owners see when DVC is violating the POS.

Now, as a “I prefer 1BRs” owner myself, I do wish 1BRs were cheaper. I started doing the “Disney math” and booking 2BRs when traveling with my sons, but when it’s just the two of us, that 1BR jump is painful. The “paint saver” devil-on-my-shoulder always argues I should just book a studio because do I really need all that space? The angel on the other shoulder says yes, yes we do. It’s why we bought into DVC.

That said, we do often do studios for our first night or two, for an extra savings, especially if we’re arriving on Thursday/Friday and staying for a long time, so that we pay the weekend premium on the studio and then switch. We often fly in on the evening, so its often my bed time when we get to the resort, so I usually see that first day as a “waste” of a 1BR cost and book a studio and then switch the next day. It also gives me a reason to try out studios at other resorts, since we can just have Disney move our luggage the next morning for us.