(2) Gosselin kids expelled from school for bullying

[We_Love_Disney]

I had a thought a little while ago.. I wonder what it's like when the 6 children are getting ready for school in the morning and the other 2 aren't allowed to go along - particularly with their own siblings of the same age?

I wonder if they're sad about it - or if they prefer being at home?

Someone close to me is a twin. They are the youngest of six. In kindergarten, the teacher told the parent that the male twin was immature and cried too often so he would need to be held back. (50 years ago, Catholic school) The mom held him back - over protected him and coddled him too - and sent him and him alone to public school! To say the least, it has haunted him for 50 years.

I do wonder how Kate is handling this. It has to be tough for the kids to be separated. I wonder what will happen next .... 4 more expulsions or 2 kids begging to return to school? I am hoping for the latter.

 

[DMRick]

You said you could offer it up (except you didn't want it to get personal, which uh, made it personal LOL), which might have given people the opinion I lived in a bad place. I don't and wanted to make that clear. I live in a nice neighborhood on the outskirts of the city. We do have an inner city, and bullying is often done there. It's sad. Just to be clear.

I was talking about schools, and the problems even the best schools have with bullying, not your town/city.

Our high school is terrible, with lots of bullying, in case anyone cares. My children didn't go to that high school, although we are still a part of it, and have attended meetings they have on school behavior, because we have worked with kids that go to that school.

That's nice, but it wasn't really necessary for you to offer up any other info, because as I said, I would not.. I think we can discuss the Gosselin children without getting personal..

 

[DMRick]

Maybe in our area, it's different if it's a catholic school and some of the kids come for free? Also, because so many have closed, the space there is now limited. In fact it's pretty crowded, which has many parents upset that they closed and combined so many schools. They also have to keep up their reputation. There was a time when the kids from the public school got removed their parents sent them to the catholic school, which made for trouble there, so a stand was taken and that changed. YMMV

boy that's not the case in allot of other places-private school enrollments are plummeting. the expensive one that had the wait list where we used to live (people would camp out to get an application b/c they only handed out so many a year) has lost so many students they are selling off peices of the property to stay afloat..

 

[C.Ann]

Someone close to me is a twin. They are the youngest of six. In kindergarten, the teacher told the parent that the male twin was immature and cried too often so he would need to be held back. (50 years ago, Catholic school) The mom held him back - over protected him and coddled him too - and sent him and him alone to public school! To say the least, it has haunted him for 50 years.

I do wonder how Kate is handling this. It has to be tough for the kids to be separated. I wonder what will happen next .... 4 more expulsions or 2 kids begging to return to school? I am hoping for the latter.

An aquaintance has twins - a boy and a girl.. Since they were old enough to talk, whenever anyone would ask the boy a question, the girl would answer for him - never giving him the opportunity to say anything on his own..

When it came time for them to go to school, mom insisted that they be in the same class.. After a month or so, she was informed that they were going to have to be put in separate classes because the little girl just wouldn't let her brother answer (or do anything) on his own.. Last I heard, the little boy was still having difficulty speaking for himself (too many years of not having to) and I think he's receiving some sort of special help to overcome that..

It's really hard to figure out which way things will go with the Gosselin 6 now being separated like this..

 

[barkley]

I had a thought a little while ago.. I wonder what it's like when the 6 children are getting ready for school in the morning and the other 2 aren't allowed to go along - particularly with their own siblings of the same age?

I wonder if they're sad about it - or if they prefer being at home?

i know my ds would'nt view this as a punishment at all. even if he had to do more school work at home the concept of not having to go to a brick and morter school would be SO appealing to him.

i would think that if kate wants to keep the other kiddos in school (be it private or public) she would need to work realy hard at making the homeschooling NOT look like a reward for bad behaviour. if the 2 at home start bragging it up to the others she could see some kiddos intentionaly getting themselves expelled.

i have to imagine the savings in childcare she's had since all the kids went full time to school has to be massive (i'm guessing she gets a hefty multi kid discount on tuition since i think it's a church school she's got affiliations with). i can't imagine what it's going to cost her to get someone qualified to homeschool just the two (i cannot see her doing it herself). i think her state is pretty restrictive and when it comes to homeschooling, it's intent is for it to be done by the parents so if you get a non parent to do it there are higher educational standards for the "teacher" (and then the parent still has to be a part of the educational program). how she would facilitate this with her travel schedual is beyond me. it might be just the angle jon has been looking for in his custody battle-he's got no job and she's been supplying all the financial support, him getting the kids would facilitate the educational program they've chosen for at least 2 of the kids without endangering their financial situation.


but then again-she may be lieing about homeschooling. those kiddos are only 6, and the compulary age for attendance is the same for her state as for mine-8 YEARS OLD she can stick them with a babysitter, call it whatever she wants and there's no accountability until fall of 2012 (the kids turn 8 in may but if it's like it is here since the schools won't enroll them at the end of a school year the state gives a grace period until the following school year starts).

 

[C.Ann]

but then again-she may be lieing about homeschooling. those kiddos are only 6, and the compulary age for attendance is the same for her state as for mine-8 YEARS OLD she can stick them with a babysitter, call it whatever she wants and there's no accountability until fall of 2012 (the kids turn 8 in may but if it's like it is here since the schools won't enroll them at the end of a school year the state gives a grace period until the following school year starts).

Eight years old????? Really? I never knew that...

 

[disneyelaine]

I wonder if they're sad about it - or if they prefer being at home?

I would guess they prefer being at home vs. being angry/frustrated/lashing out at school. I don't think kids this age, with behavior or anger especially LIKE being that way. Kids this age normally like school and see it as Fun. I tend to think there may be learning issues at play here and the kids need a different environment, maybe one on one teaching. I think the private school knows their learning issues are greater than what the private school can accomodate. But who knows, maybe one of the kids seriously hurt another student or a teacher. Of course, until Kate speaks out, all we can do is make guesses. I really do think it is a private matter, no matter that she parades those kids around.

 

[C.Ann]

I really do think it is a private matter, no matter that she parades those kids around.

While I agree with the first portion of your sentence (and have since the beginning of this thread), it's the second portion of your sentence that prevented this information from remaining private..

If there had never been a tv show, odds are no one ever would have heard about this..

 

[Mouse House Mama]

I feel bad for those kids. Imagine if the whole world got to see your Mom and Dad on tv all the time and all your friends got to witness your tantrums and potty training? I also don't think that kids always learn bullying. I think sometimes no matter what you teach them things happen in life and they might act out. Maybe those kids feel so out of control on their own lives that they want to control someone else or make someone feel at bad as them. Who knows? I hope they get whatever help they need.

I will admit though when I opened this thread I thought for sure it was going to be Maddy. She just always seems so angry.

 

[kwitcherkicken99]

I think the reason why this is "newsworthy" is because of all the other bullying articles/tragedies/issues right now. Otherwise - it's just another day in their household...

 

[auntie]

I think this is one of those instances where the apple(s) didn't fall far from the tree.

In my opinion Kate can be abbrasive. Children need to learn (usually by example) how to be assertive without being condesending or rude. I'm sorry, but I don't feel as if their mother has learned that yet either.

Like any large family, be they multiples or not, all the children are different. We've got three, and often wonder to ourselves how three kids raised in the same house by the same parents could be so different. They are all individuals, as I'm sure are the Gosselin children.
That being said, there are bound to some that have more aggresive personalities. Which is absolutely fine, and generally will serve them well later in life. Yet, equally as important is that they are shown by example how to compliment those traits with humility and kindness so as to balance and channel their more assertive personalities in a positive manner.



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[C.Ann]

I think this is one of those instances where the apple(s) didn't fall far from the tree.

In my opinion Kate can be abbrasive. Children need to learn (usually by example) how to be assertive without being condesending or rude. I'm sorry, but I don't feel as if their mother has learned that yet either.

Like any large family, be they multiples or not, all the children are different. We've got three, and often wonder to ourselves how three kids raised in the same house by the same parents could be so different. They are all individuals, as I'm sure are the Gosselin children.
That being said, there are bound to some that have more aggresive personalities. Which is absolutely fine, and generally will serve them well later in life. Yet, equally as important is that they are shown by example how to compliment those traits with humility and kindness so as to balance and channel their more assertive personalities in a positive manner.



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Very nice post..

 

[aprilgail2]

Wow, how sad

I can;t believe people on this thread. So every kid that is a bully learned that behavior from there parents

My daughter has a kid in her school that has been a bully since kindergarten- I happen to know the mom who is the sweetest person there is -- never says a mean thing about anyone and is always there to help out. I also know her father who is a quiet mellow guy that is just as nice- they don't understand why their kid is like that and they are not happy about it!

Yeah, well these are problems the children are having and if I found out who the leak at school was, they would be FIRED and fast.

Are you kidding- my daughter could come home from school on any given day and read off who was suspended that day- doesn't have to come from the office--all the kids know and go home and tell their parents.

so in new york are the schools required to provide tutors to expelled students?

not the way it is here or in our former state. if you get a valid expulsion you get no paid services from the schools. the schools are under no obligation to provide anything other than an alternative education mechanism for expelled kiddos.

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Not so here-- we had the kid that pulled bomb scares all year and every time he was suspended they had to send a home tutor to him. My friends daughter suspended for saying something mean(yea they get suspended for that too) had a home tutor while she was suspended...no matter what they have to rovide you with a home tutor if they take you out of school for any reason!

 

[Mermaid02]

My daughter has a kid in her school that has been a bully since kindergarten- I happen to know the mom who is the sweetest person there is -- never says a mean thing about anyone and is always there to help out. I also know her father who is a quiet mellow guy that is just as nice- they don't understand why their kid is like that and they are not happy about it!



Are you kidding- my daughter could come home from school on any given day and read off who was suspended that day- doesn't have to come from the office--all the kids know and go home and tell their parents.


Not so here-- we had the kid that pulled bomb scares all year and every time he was suspended they had to send a home tutor to him. My friends daughter suspended for saying something mean(yea they get suspended for that too) had a home tutor while she was suspended...no matter what they have to rovide you with a home tutor if they take you out of school for any reason!

IF the leak was a school employee- they should lose their job and they shouldnt' be gossiping about student affairs. If it was a kid or a parent, it is gossip. It could all be true- but it's still gossip.

 

[barkley]

IF the leak was a school employee- they should lose their job and they shouldnt' be gossiping about student affairs. If it was a kid or a parent, it is gossip. It could all be true- but it's still gossip.

if there were other children (non gosselins) involved it could be that the school advised those parents of the expulsion.

when my dd was on the receiving end of inappropriate behaviours by another student i was contacted by the school and told what the disciplinary outcome was, i was in no way bound not to share this information with others. expulsions at public schools are generaly handled through the board of education and much of what they do are public records (in many states anyone can attend expulsion hearings and appeals, they are open to the public), private schools tend to be held to a much lower confidentiality standard.

 

[MM27]

if there were other children (non gosselins) involved it could be that the school advised those parents of the expulsion.

when my dd was on the receiving end of inappropriate behaviours by another student i was contacted by the school and told what the disciplinary outcome was, i was in no way bound not to share this information with others. expulsions at public schools are generaly handled through the board of education and much of what they do are public records (in many states anyone can attend expulsion hearings and appeals, they are open to the public), private schools tend to be held to a much lower confidentiality standard.

I don't know what other states do, but in matters that involve individual students, the board goes into closed session and in the board minutes the student is not identified by name.

The kids all know what goes on in their class though. I teach two classes and last year had a boy in one that was always getting in trouble. The kids often knew when he was supended before I did.

 

[Mermaid02]

if there were other children (non gosselins) involved it could be that the school advised those parents of the expulsion.

when my dd was on the receiving end of inappropriate behaviours by another student i was contacted by the school and told what the disciplinary outcome was, i was in no way bound not to share this information with others. expulsions at public schools are generaly handled through the board of education and much of what they do are public records (in many states anyone can attend expulsion hearings and appeals, they are open to the public), private schools tend to be held to a much lower confidentiality standard.

Here the school will not tell you what the disciplinary measures were even when your child is the victim.

I still say it is unethical for an employee at a school to "go public" with information about the children in their school.

 

[woodkins]

Everyone is talking about the rules of their school districts but keep in mind this is a PRIVATE school. They do not have to follow the same standards as public schools regarding disciplinary actions etc. If they don't want a student for any reason they can "expell" them. It could be because they don't like the parents, don't have the resources to help the child etc.

 

[barkley]

Everyone is talking about the rules of their school districts but keep in mind this is a PRIVATE school. They do not have to follow the same standards as public schools regarding disciplinary actions etc. If they don't want a student for any reason they can "expell" them. It could be because they don't like the parents, don't have the resources to help the child etc.

yup-and with some private schools they like word to get out about expulsions-it sends a message to the other paying customers that what they are selling discipline wise is what is being delivered.

 

[NEVERENOUGHWDW]

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