(2) Gosselin kids expelled from school for bullying

[walden]

I have to agree with you.. I've heard about/seen some detentions, a couple of suspensions (all in junior high school and up - both public and private schools), but never "expelled" - and certainly not at 6 years old..

And then there's the matter of there being two of them (possibly 3 - still not clear on that) from the same family and something just doesn't add up.. (Assuming of course, that any of the Gosselin children have actually been suspended and expelled..)

And if the school was just tired of dealing with the publicity and/or Kate, wouldn't they have expelled all of them?

Yes, absolutely. If the school were just tired of the publicity they would have suggested that all eight of the Gosselin children be withdrawn with no repercussions at the end of the semester. Not expel a couple in November.

And yes, we are still questioning whether or not the story is true. I do think that -- were it false -- we would have heard from the Gosselins or TLC with a distinct rebuttal by now. This very damaging story has been out since Wednesday.

As the children are working, and as their work permits have to be signed off on by the school district, even with PA's inadequate Child Labor laws, I'd think that behavioral problems that reach the level of expulsion from might indicate that the children should not be working until their emotional and behavioral needs are met.

It seems that the whole family (minus Jon) is still filming. They were filming in a corn maze recently, per photographic evidence. Was this before or after the expulsions? Or is Kate, as the primary custodial parent, just voluntarily moving the kids to home schooling so that filming time is maximized? I hope not. Nothing against home schooling per se, but the Gosselin kids could benefit from traditional school, IMO.

 

[C.Ann]

When I worked in the Manhattan Prosecutors office, I saw some truly bad kids, even younger than six. While I think these kids are exploited and spoiled (what a combo), I don't think they are bad kids either.

Wait.. I'm confused.. Did someone say they were "bad"? I thought the discussion was that they have "issues" (as in not understanding boundaries; hitting other children; calling names; possible entitlement issues; etc.)..

Although none of those things are acceptable behaviors and shouldn't be tolerated (nor should other 6 yr. olds have to be on the receiving end of it), exploited and spoiled (as you yourself have stated) would be more the more appropriate description..

Did I call them "bad" somewhere? If so, I need to go back and correct that.. Maybe I said "bad behavior"? But I'm not even sure I said that.. Guess I better go back and check to see if I need to correct anything..

 

[mhsjax]

Wait.. I'm confused.. Did someone say they were "bad"? I thought the discussion was that they have "issues" (as in not understanding boundaries; hitting other children; calling names; possible entitlement issues; etc.)..

Although none of those things are acceptable behaviors and shouldn't be tolerated (nor should other 6 yr. olds have to be on the receiving end of it), exploited and spoiled (as you yourself have stated) would be more the more appropriate description..

Did I call them "bad" somewhere? If so, I need to go back and correct that.. Maybe I said "bad behavior"? But I'm not even sure I said that.. Guess I better go back and check to see if I need to correct anything..

No I don't think you called them bad, I don't think you have ever uttered an ugly word about anyone, that I have seen. I think we agree, they have issues, I think their parents are bad, but not the kids. They have bad behavior. It needs to be corrected.

 

[LiberalPrincess]

Wait.. I'm confused.. Did someone say they were "bad"? I thought the discussion was that they have "issues" (as in not understanding boundaries; hitting other children; calling names; possible entitlement issues; etc.)..

Although none of those things are acceptable behaviors and shouldn't be tolerated (nor should other 6 yr. olds have to be on the receiving end of it), exploited and spoiled (as you yourself have stated) would be more the more appropriate description..

Did I call them "bad" somewhere? If so, I need to go back and correct that.. Maybe I said "bad behavior"? But I'm not even sure I said that.. Guess I better go back and check to see if I need to correct anything..

Why would you be confused? I was responding directly to a quote, not yours, that said, "There aren't many 6 year olds that I do think are bad kids." I neither quoted you nor addressed you, so not sure why you are responding to my comment, particularly with confusion.

 

[C.Ann]

Why would you be confused? I was responding directly to a quote, not yours, that said, "There aren't many 6 year olds that I do think are bad kids." I neither quoted you nor addressed you, so not sure why you are responding to my comment, particularly with confusion.

Because I was confused as to where this whole "bad" kid thing came into play - and you mentioned that you have seen some truly "bad"' kids in your line of work - so I was wondering who was saying they were "bad" kids.. Nothing directed at you - just confused..

Just went back and checked all of my posts - and it's not me (didn't even say "bad behavior") - so I'm still confused about who said it - and why..

I'm still confused..

 

[DMRick]

Nothing for you to be confused about, no one said you said anything about them being bad. Someone commented that they couldn't do anything wrong in my eyes (we were talking about the kids). I commented that I didn't think they were bad kids (because I guess I thought kids that do things wrong might be seen as bad kids). Just different wording. Liberal was agreeing that they didn't seem like bad kids. It's no biggy.

Because I was confused as to where this whole "bad" kid thing came into play - and you mentioned that you have seen some truly "bad"' kids in your line of work - so I was wondering who was saying they were "bad" kids.. Nothing directed at you - just confused..

Just went back and checked all of my posts - and it's not me (didn't even say "bad behavior") - so I'm still confused about who said it - and why..

I'm still confused..

 

[DMRick]

Some posts get changed, even though you don't see the edit note (if you do it in time it doesn't show it was edited), so some things being responded to don't make as much sense. You might look for a certain word that was mentioned, and poof, it's gone!
I usually grab the post I'm responding to, and put it in notepad, and respond there. Then when I go to quote and paste, the quote might be different. Just means we are trying to behave, I think LOL.

 

[LiberalPrincess]

Some posts get changed, even though you don't see the edit note (if you do it in time it doesn't show it was edited), so some things being responded to don't make as much sense. You might look for a certain word that was mentioned, and poof, it's gone!
I usually grab the post I'm responding to, and put it in notepad, and respond there. Then when I go to quote and paste, the quote might be different. Just means we are trying to behave, I think LOL.

LOL! The non-edit edit drives me nuts. By the time I respond the post has changed! And nothing to reflect that!

 

[mhsjax]

Nothing for you to be confused about, no one said you said anything about them being bad. Someone commented that they couldn't do anything wrong in my eyes (we were talking about the kids). I commented that I didn't think they were bad kids (because I guess I thought kids that do things wrong might be seen as bad kids). Just different wording. Liberal was agreeing that they didn't seem like bad kids. It's no biggy.

I would also say, that they are having issues, because it looks like it is at least 2 of the kids . And from what I am reading, if I understand correctly, one was in trouble earlier. 3 kids out of 8 in just a couple of weeks time period. Something is wrong and those kids need help before they get older and they really have much worse issues. If Kate isn't careful, those kids will turn on her. If they are bullying and she keeps the total controlling attitude that she seems to have, there will be drama.

Also, I never said that kids who do things wrong are bad kids, but they are exhibiting bad behavior.

Also, they are saying that it was Alexsis that got expelled. If I remember correctly, she is the one that had the horrific meltdown when she couldn't see the whales. She seems to have a huge temper.

 

[DMRick]

I have no way of knowing what the whole story is, but it's being said on the net that it's two kids in trouble..one had been warned earlier and this is the second time. So 2 out of 8 that we know (if we really know) about. That's 12.5% of the kids. Runs pretty close to this study (although this is on older kids..I would hope the percent is lower with younger kids, but I don't know, I talk with my neighbor who is a school nurse and it seems to be a big problem with all ages). As I said earlier, it's not unsual. It used to be called schoolyard bullying, and most schools that have been in study's admit it's a growing problem. There are many many studies on bullying:

http://youthviolence.edschool.virginia.edu/bullying/what-is-bullying.html

I'm not saying it's right..just sayin'

Found this article too about younger kids..there are tons of them out there (bullys and articles):
http://search.aol.com/aol/search?s_...ord_rollover&q=percent+of+bullying+young+kids

I would also say, that they are having issues, because it looks like it is at least 2 of the kids and form what I am reading, if I understand correctly, one was in trouble earlier. 3 kids out of 8 in just a couple of weeks time period. Something is wrong and those kids need help before they get older and they really have much worse issues. If Kate isn't careful, those kids will turn on her. If they are bullying and she keeps the total controlling attitude that she seems to have, there will be drama.

Also, I never said that kids who do things wrong are bad kids, but they are exhibiting bad behavior.

Also, they are saying that it was Alexsis that got expelled. If I remember correctly, she is the one that had the horrific meltdown when she couldn't see the whales. She seems to have a huge temper.

 

[mhsjax]

I have no way of knowing what the whole story is, but it's being said on the net that it's two kids in trouble..one had been warned earlier and this is the second time. So 2 out of 8 that we know (if we really know) about. That's 12.5% of the kids. Runs pretty close to this study (although this is on older kids..I would hope the percent is lower with younger kids, but I don't know, I talk with my neighbor who is a school nurse and it seems to be a big problem with all ages). As I said earlier, it's not unsual. It used to be called schoolyard bullying, and most schools that have been in study's admit it's a growing problem. There are many many studies on bullying:

http://youthviolence.edschool.virginia.edu/bullying/what-is-bullying.html

I'm not saying it's right..just sayin'

You can quote all the numbers you want, talk to all the school nurses you want. Those kids have issues and until people realize they do, there will be problems. Again, seem to me, down playing it. I would be mortified if 2 of my 8 kids were bullying, and I am sorry, but I will not say it is within normal statistical limits of 12.5%. You have a family that has been torn apart, they are filmed for the entire world to see, they have a mother that is a control freak and a mean streak. They need help to see if they really have some serious issues, otherwise it may just get worse.

So what do you suggest, tell Kate that her percentage of kids that are doing the bullying is within the normal for this study, and schoolyard bullying isn't unusual? your kids are cute its ok to hit and say ugly things to other kids. Most kids I know that are bullies, have parents that were or are bullies. Not always, but the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. Can you at least admit, that maybe they need some counseling to find out if they really are in trouble, and that maybe Kate needs some counseling and parenting classes herself?

 

[marivaid]

Since I'm not in the US I only get to watch this show whenever a kind soul uploads it on YouTube. At this point I'm only watching it for the kids since Kate is getting majorly on my nerves, and I miss Jon as the (unwillingly) comic relief.

There ARE 6 year old bullies. My friend's son was sent back home for days at a time, several times during kindergarten and first grade. He'd bite and hit and kick other children, his teacher, even the principal.

Now those Gosselin kids we have seen them from the time they were a couple years old, right ? Even in the first season of the show they were hitting each other constantly. Biting, pulling hair, etc... Apparently Jon and Kate's "quiet corner" didn't quite do the trick. Or maybe they got too busy once the kids were older to send them to the quiet corner.

There probably were some jealous kids, or even jealous teachers. After all there's a reason why celebrities often don't send their kids to school, and even in their case, it's the parent who is a celebrity and not the kid. I also wouldn't put it past the school to want to get rid of the media circus that the Gosselins bring to the school. They need reasons to expel children, and apparently Collin and Alexis gave them just that.

I agree with those who have said that at this point, Kate couldn't go back to a normal life, or a normal job. She brought that upon herself, though. Kate is probably freaking out big time right now, the ratings are down, at some point TLC will drop the show. As others have said, she is not likeable enough to have a show of her own. If I was in her place right now I would be thinking "I need to take every opportunity I can now, because soon there won't be any."
She may have made a LOT of money in the past couple years, but not enough to raise 8 kids on without any salary for the next 10 years, let alone send them all to college.

I don't really hate Kate. I don't like what she's become but I do believe that at the beginning of all this, she was just an overwhelmed mother who wanted to make sure that her kids would get to experience all that life has to offer.
I wonder if, or how much, her kids will resent her for that later on.

 

[C.Ann]

I would also say, that they are having issues, because it looks like it is at least 2 of the kids . And from what I am reading, if I understand correctly, one was in trouble earlier. 3 kids out of 8 in just a couple of weeks time period. Something is wrong and those kids need help before they get older and they really have much worse issues.QUOTE]

You know - this is the thing that puzzles me.. But first I have to clarify that never in my wildest dreams did I think that any of those kids would be expelled from school..

However, if in fact what is being reported is true, and if the thought were to ever cross my mind about one of them being suspended for even a couple of days, my guess would have been Mady - never the little ones!!

So it's looking more and more like evidence is coming forth (again - if the reports are true) that would indicate these kids have suffered emotional damage from this ongoing circus and I can only hope it serves as a huge wake-up call to J&K that it's time to call it a day and turn the cameras off permanently..

And again - what happened to Kate's solo show? I thought that was a done deal?

 

[mhsjax]

I would also say, that they are having issues, because it looks like it is at least 2 of the kids . And from what I am reading, if I understand correctly, one was in trouble earlier. 3 kids out of 8 in just a couple of weeks time period. Something is wrong and those kids need help before they get older and they really have much worse issues.QUOTE]

You know - this is the thing that puzzles me.. But first I have to clarify that never in my wildest dreams did I think that any of those kids would be expelled from school..

However, if in fact what is being reported is true, and if the thought were to ever cross my mind about one of them being suspended for even a couple of days, my guess would have been Mady - never the little ones!!

So it's looking more and more like evidence is coming forth (again - if the reports are true) that would indicate these kids have suffered emotional damage from this ongoing circus and I can only hope it serves as a huge wake-up call to J&K that it's time to call it a day and turn the cameras off permanently..

And again - what happened to Kate's solo show? I thought that was a done deal?

My first thought was Mady too. I think like several have said here, kate by herself isn't entertaining. People watch for the kids. People really don't seem to like Kate. Maybe TLC has realized this and has pulled the plug. I don't know.

 

[C.Ann]

My first thought was Mady too. I think like several have said here, kate by herself isn't entertaining. People watch for the kids. People really don't seem to like Kate. Maybe TLC has realized this and has pulled the plug. I don't know.

Well not that it really matters - because it's pretty obvious what has been the down fall of the Gosselin kids - but I wonder what the percentages are for 6 year olds being expelled?

I'm guessing very low, but I could be wrong..

 

[hambirg]

I think they should do a Trading Spouses episode where Kate goes to the Duggar's. They could invite Octomom and make it some weird Sister Wives Hybrid.

I've never seen one episode, but I'm thinking I just might have to check it out for myself. Kate sounds awful.

 

[wdwmom0f3]

Rage issues? 3 of the 8 expelled so far? Hitting? Making fun of? Calling nasty names? Fighting?

Again, if this is true - is anyone surprised?

I honestly think that children are a product of their environment.

 

[C.Ann]

I honestly think that children are a product of their environment.

I have to go back and find my quote that you just quoted.. It now appears that Alexis was first suspended for awhile - and now her and Collin (I believe) have both been expelled..

 

[ratherbeatdisney]

i hate to say it but when you add up the stress of being in family that has been on TV since the kids were babies + being in a family with 2 sets of multiples + 2 not so great parents = a lot more trouble to come for these kids. I hope it aint so, but i foresee some big problems ahead for those kids.

 

[DMRick]

Again, I'm not saying it's right (why does that keep getting skipped over?). And yes, I do think kids that are bullying need help, and counseling is a good idea. I thought these kids were having counseling.

My point is, that again, there is bullying going on all over the place (and most study's say, that the parents of the poor kids being bullied often don't know it), and most of those kids have not been on TV. I'm just not ready to say, that being on TV is why it's happening. Again..I am not saying it's an OK thing to do, but surprised that people here don't seem to know this is going on in most schools. If Kate has gotten help for this (if in fact it's true, and so far I don't see any denials) I imagine she was being told it's happening all over..because it is. Just like parents of pregnant teens know it's all over the place..not just their kids. It's awful, it shouldn't happen, but again, it's not like these are the only kids that are bullys. Hopefully it's being addressed and fixed.
Where did I say anywhere, that Kate be told that her kids are cute, so it's ok to hit and say ugly things to kids? Why attribute such things to me? I would never suggest that. Why even ask if I would suggest what you wrote??

So what do you suggest, tell Kate that her percentage of kids that are doing the bullying is within the normal for this study, and schoolyard bullying isn't unusual? your kids are cute its ok to hit and say ugly things to other kids.

Most kids I know that are bullies, have parents that were or are bullies. Not always, but the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree.

So, you do know kids who are bully's, although not your kids or your friends kids..but still, you do know some. Is your school suspending or expelling ?