(2) Gosselin kids expelled from school for bullying

[Dee77]

So it is agreed by everyone here that the cameras should finally be turned off? I wonder what the pro-Kate fans will think is a reasonable source of income for her going forward since she still has 8 kids to provide for.... I was always shocked at how many people think it is fine for them to be on air because she can't get a regular job, live in a smaller house etc.

 

[DMRick]

I'm still pro kids. I loved watching how they have matured on the Alaska show, especially Mady, assuming no bad behavior is on the cutting floor. I think it's moot because I think the show has played itself out. No one here has convinced me, however, that the kids are doomed (or have even become bullys) because they were in this show, especially lately, when there has been very little taping. I have no idea how much money she has, or if it's enough to support them all. I hope it is.
If TLC can pull off a show with just Kate, I'd be very happy.

So it is agreed by everyone here that the cameras should finally be turned off? I wonder what the pro-Kate fans will think is a reasonable source of income for her going forward since she still has 8 kids to provide for.... I was always shocked at how many people think it is fine for them to be on air because she can't get a regular job, live in a smaller house etc.

 

[ilovepcot]

I think they should do a Trading Spouses episode where Kate goes to the Duggar's.

Wouldn't that be a bang up show???!!!

 

[C.Ann]

So it is agreed by everyone here that the cameras should finally be turned off? I wonder what the pro-Kate fans will think is a reasonable source of income for her going forward since she still has 8 kids to provide for.... I was always shocked at how many people think it is fine for them to be on air because she can't get a regular job, live in a smaller house etc.

Did that other cookbook of hers ever come out - that was put on hold by the publishers when the divorce announcement was aired on tv?

If I recall correctly (and I could be wrong) way back after I stopped watching and she was on the morning shows saying she only had $1000 in her purse and had no money to pay bills (because Jon swiped it out of their account), before it was even replaced, she was making statements that she had been saving money all along - where Jon couldn't get to it - and there were no concerns about the kids.. There was plenty for them to be well taken care of..

Then from what I saw somewhere (probably my homepage) when the labor dept. became involved she was being paid "X" amount of dollars - as were the kids..

So unless she spent all of the money from the past 6 years or so (not counting all her speaking engagements, the other books, etc.), I would be shocked to learn that she doesn't have enough money to take care of the kids.. (And obviously Jon should be kicking in money as well - but I don't know if he does.. Heck - I don't even know if he has a job! LOL..)

 

[Dee77]

I'm still pro kids. I loved watching how they have matured on the Alaska show, especially Mady, assuming no bad behavior is on the cutting floor. I think it's moot because I think the show has played itself out. No one here has convinced me, however, that the kids are doomed (or have even become bullys) because they were in this show, especially lately, when there has been very little taping. I have no idea how much money she has, or if it's enough to support them all. I hope it is.
If TLC can pull off a show with just Kate, I'd be very happy.

So you won't admit that they are bullies, then why would they have been expelled? Is the school part of a conspiracy to get back at Kate? I also find it surprising that you can't see that the show and Kate's choices to have them exploited all over the media is going to doom them sometime down the road for the remaining 6 and right now for Collin and Alexis.. It doesn't matter how much or how little the cameras are there right now, the damage is already done.

 

[emer95]

Anyone care to guess how long it will be before Kate is tearfully "umm"ing her way through an interview on the Today show about this?

I teach 3rd grade. In all of the years I've been a teacher, I have never known a child to be expelled for bullying. Does bullying happen? Absolutely! However, I have personally never seen it get to where a child needs to be expelled. Usually it is worked out between the children, parents, teachers and administrator.

Also, I can't leave this thread without being a total pain in the rear:

The plural form of bully is bullies, not bullys.

I'm sorry. I just can't help myself. Plural nouns was our grammar skill this week. I go in peace... and ducking...

 

[laurie31]

I think they should do a Trading Spouses episode where Kate goes to the Duggar's.

Man, I would pay big money to see that!!

Watching Kate trying to manage the Duggar household would be priceless, but my guess is the Gosselin children would love having Michelle around.

 

[DMRick]

A different book came out from the same people, and it did poorly.

I remember her saying that money was put aside for their college (Jon apparently took the bill money..but that was all settled in court..and I hope she didn't have to touch the college money for the everyday bills). I missed where she said there were no concerns about the everyday living for the kids. Jon did say in an interview that they could still get to the other money. Hopefully he couldn't. When they divorced some of the money went to him, but it was said that some was also put aside to pay his share of support.

But all of that is old news..who knows how much went to lawyers, how much actually ended up for the kids, how much for schooling and expenses, as well as the house and those expenses.

Kate has also had well paying jobs on her own, so I hope they will make it OK, if in fact the show ends. Many people have commented that she seems to be a saver not a spender (well, except for shoes, but we all have certain things we like), so hopefully for the kids sake, she has invested wisely.

Did that other cookbook of hers ever come out - that was put on hold by the publishers when the divorce announcement was aired on tv?

If I recall correctly (and I could be wrong) way back after I stopped watching and she was on the morning shows saying she only had $1000 in her purse and had no money to pay bills (because Jon swiped it out of their account), before it was even replaced, she was making statements that she had been saving money all along - where Jon couldn't get to it - and there were no concerns about the kids.. There was plenty for them to be well taken care of..

Then from what I saw somewhere (probably my homepage) when the labor dept. became involved she was being paid "X" amount of dollars - as were the kids..

So unless she spent all of the money from the past 6 years or so (not counting all her speaking engagements, the other books, etc.), I would be shocked to learn that she doesn't have enough money to take care of the kids.. (And obviously Jon should be kicking in money as well - but I don't know if he does.. Heck - I don't even know if he has a job! LOL..)

 

[allison443]

I have no way of knowing what the whole story is, but it's being said on the net that it's two kids in trouble..one had been warned earlier and this is the second time. So 2 out of 8 that we know (if we really know) about. That's 12.5% of the kids. Runs pretty close to this study (although this is on older kids..I would hope the percent is lower with younger kids, but I don't know, I talk with my neighbor who is a school nurse and it seems to be a big problem with all ages). As I said earlier, it's not unsual. It used to be called schoolyard bullying, and most schools that have been in study's admit it's a growing problem. There are many many studies on bullying:

http://youthviolence.edschool.virginia.edu/bullying/what-is-bullying.html

I'm not saying it's right..just sayin'

Found this article too about younger kids..there are tons of them out there (bullys and articles):
http://search.aol.com/aol/search?s_...ord_rollover&q=percent+of+bullying+young+kids

Sorry, but your math is off.

Two out of eight kids is 25%, not 12.5% like you said, which you said would be close to a normal rate. Using your own statistics, their rate of 25% is actually twice what you said was the normal rate.

 

[DMRick]

I teach 3rd grade. In all of the years I've been a teacher, I have never known a child to be expelled for bullying. Does bullying happen? Absolutely! However, I have personally never seen it get to where a child needs to be expelled. Usually it is worked out between the children, parents, teachers and administrator.

Are you teaching in a private or public school? I think public school tries harder to work with the parents..at least compared to the private schools here. The Catholic school my kids went too (they were never expelled, although one of my kids did have detention for letting the dog eat her homework) didn't take a lot of bad behaviour..they had a waiting list to get in.

Also, I can't leave this thread without being a total pain in the rear:

The plural form of bully is bullies, not bullys.

Thank you LOL! I'll try to do better

 

[eeyoremum]

I stopped watching the train wreck long ago. Frankly I think those kids would be bullies with or without the television cameras. I really don't know why I watched to begin with since I never thought the children were cute and I always thought they were brats BUT I tend to be a keep my kids on a short leash and don't put up with much.

Hopefully those kids will get the help they need but somehow I doubt it unless the parents can make money.

Kate + 8 in therapy.....hmmm might sell.

 

[DMRick]

Sorry, but your math is off.

Two out of eight kids is 25%, not 12.5% like you said, which you said would be close to a normal rate. Using your own statistics, their rate of 25% is actually twice what you said was the normal rate.

You are right..so while they have a lot more kids in their family than the average, they are above average with the bullies (spelled right LOL!) for the amount of kids.

Although that study is from 2001..I'd be curious if that has changed...gone up or down.

Gosh, I shouldn't have looked..yikes, it has gone up..if I'm reading it right..23% in elementary school..much more in the higher grades. Very sad.

http://www.how-to-stop-bullying.com/bullyingstatistics.html

 

[C.Ann]

Well, I really have to get to bed now..

I'd love to see the stats on the percentage of 6 year olds who are expelled from school though.. I don't think stats on older kids are particulary helpful (or comparable) when we're discussing 6 year olds..

I'll check back sometime when I'm not falling asleep at the keyboard..LOL..

Night all..

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Well, the Gosselins are back in the news! At least it's not because of Jon's antics for once!

As far as all this bullying talk goes, I used to work at a private preschool with 4-5 year olds. There was this one boy who was a complete terror. I truly mean that. He would torment the other kids by spitting at them, throwing things at them and eventually took to throwing wooden blocks at me (and I was pregnant). The last straw came when he took a heavy toy truck and swung it into another child's face which bruised horribly. Now here's the kicker, this boy was the preschool director's son. She refused to do anything about his behavior so whenever he acted up, I marched him right down to his mom's office. I used to wonder how a 4 year old boy could have such anger till I learned that his parents were in the middle of a very messy divorce. Didn't excuse his behavior in the least but it did make me think that he needed help with it all (counseling or something).

So, my personal opinion is that the Gosselin kids are under a lot of stress with J&K's divorce. Also, we have no idea how much stress filming could be causing as well. It just sounds like a ticking time bomb to me. What this broken family needs is time alone to sort all of this out. J&K need to stop the cameras and take a hard look at what impact the last year and a half have had on their kids. Divorce is incredibly difficult on children, now imagine how much harder it would be if your Mom was talking about how you were coping with it to magazines? Or allowing cameras into your home where it should be a place to come after school for relaxation and down time. I have a feeling (and again this is just my opinion) but I think this might be the tip of the iceberg for these kids acting out. It's very sad, they need time to adjust.

 

[cm8]

Actually, that is very often the case.

Much of what kids learn comes from watching the examples their parents set. I can't imagine that's a new concept for most people.

 

[LiberalPrincess]

Well, I really have to get to bed now..

I'd love to see the stats on the percentage of 6 year olds who are expelled from school though.. I don't think stats on older kids are particulary helpful (or comparable) when we're discussing 6 year olds..

I'll check back sometime when I'm not falling asleep at the keyboard..LOL..

Night all..

Who cares about the percentages? Each case is its own. The percentage of serial killers to adults is minimal, doesn't change the facts of the cases.

 

[DMRick]

Are there stats of expelled kids of any age? There are stats on kids who bully, including the above, that is more recent and shows elemnetary age at about 23%.

Well, I really have to get to bed now..

I'd love to see the stats on the percentage of 6 year olds who are expelled from school though.. I don't think stats on older kids are particulary helpful (or comparable) when we're discussing 6 year olds..

I'll check back sometime when I'm not falling asleep at the keyboard..LOL..

Night all..

 

[mhsjax]

Anyone care to guess how long it will be before Kate is tearfully "umm"ing her way through an interview on the Today show about this?

I teach 3rd grade. In all of the years I've been a teacher, I have never known a child to be expelled for bullying. Does bullying happen? Absolutely! However, I have personally never seen it get to where a child needs to be expelled. Usually it is worked out between the children, parents, teachers and administrator.

Also, I can't leave this thread without being a total pain in the rear:

The plural form of bully is bullies, not bullys.

I'm sorry. I just can't help myself. Plural nouns was our grammar skill this week. I go in peace... and ducking...

I was actually 2nd guessing myself on the spelling. My 47 year old brain just isn't what it was.

 

[barkley]

i've yet to know any private school that needed a reason to get rid of a kid or entire family-most of their contracts are very specific in saying that a child's continued enrollment is at THEIR will, and they can choose to discontinue attendance at any time. this is also why most if not all require reapplication forms every year, if they want to get rid of a child but dont feel the need during the prior school year, they just turn down the application for the following year.

i'm honestly not surprised that some of the gosselin's younger kids are having an issue with these kinds of behaviours-i think back to when they were realy young and how their older sister (maddie?) behaved towards them. i remember one episode where jodi was going to babysit all the kids and jon and kate had to have a discussion with the older one on inappropriate behaviours and said in the interview portion that it was something they were having to do because of repeated incidents. i was floored when the child asked weather she would get into trouble if she "just" happened to be holding out a pencil while she was running around and one of the little ones got stabbed with it j&k went on to tell her she would'nt get in trouble if something was an accident, and the kid goes on to ask more about stabbing someone with pencil and trying to get them to define what accidental vs. on purpose pencil stabbling is

with those kinds of dynamics in the household, as well as kate's old habit of playfully smacking jon all the time-the little ones could have picked up some realy bad notions of appropriate behaviours, and if one was suspended priviously and the school did'nt believe that the parent(s) were doing whatever behaviour correction plan was put in place they may have taken a hard line that when there was a similar incident with the second-there would be no suspension just immediate expulsion (or he could have done something that just warranted immediate expulsion-ds's private school has certain behaviours listed as immediate grounds for expulsion with no opportunity to try and correct a behaviour).


btw-i think people would be surprised at the number of kids, even young ones who are "expelled" from schools. often times it just never gets to the technical expulsion because the school talks to the parents and gives them the opportunity to disenroll the kid so it does not appear on their academic record. it gotten to be such a problem that many private schools like the system ds is in will no longer allow a child to enroll more than a month into the school year (unless it's a proven physical home move) without a behavioural report from the previous school. his school system has gotten burned a few too many times by parents enrolling kids into the school year, those kids having horrendous behaviour issues (including a BIG percentage who bully) and come to find out, it was'nt by choice that the kid enrolled, it was because they had been expelled or were looking at expulsion at their previous school(s).

 

[Mermaid02]

My son was born with a rotten temper- from the time he knew what the word "No" meant he would bang his head (HARD) on the closest thing to him. If he was crying in his crib and I didn't get to him fast enough, he would bang his head on the rail. He had a big purple bump on his forehead for most of his toddler years. My husband and I don't fight, we don't talk down to each other and don't treat each other passive aggressively. This is the way my child was born. Later (about age 6) we found out he has PDD and ADHD.

Do I think the environment the kids grew up in contributed, probably- but I would be hesitant to blame this solely on Kate and/or Jon.