13 Year old gir declared brain dead has now officially died

http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-an-lvn.htm#slideshow

I've been meaning for several days to look up what makes a LVN. I found this link and think the fourth and fifth paragraphs are interesting.

While LVN are considered an essential part of the medical life their training is much less than a nurse, they often cannot have direct contact with the patient, are often under direct supervision, are considered to be on the low end of the medical health giver spectrum, and cannot make medical assessments of a patient.

I likely paraphrased this poorly but take a moment to check out the link for your better information.
 
LVN's are what we always called LPN's which have 'very' little to do with the patient in terms of medical care - it's mostly just ordinary basic patient 'needs' that they tend to along with taking BP, temps - (things that most of us mothers do for our family members or others outside of hospitals when they need care).
 
I hate to ask such a daft question, BUUUUUUUUT is the equipment to suction a patient in the PICU or ICU in every room? Or does the suctioning equipment being in the room depend on each patients' medical needs?
 
LVN's are what we always called LPN's which have 'very' little to do with the patient in terms of medical care - it's mostly just ordinary basic patient 'needs' that they tend to along with taking BP, temps - (things that most of us mothers do for our family members or others outside of hospitals when they need care).

And here LPN's are on the other end of that spectrum. Under the supervision of an RN supervisor, they typically run entire floors of nursing homes, administer medication, perform treatments (everything from dressing a skin tear to applying a wound vac), are in contact with and writing physician's orders, etc. There are very few things that the LPN's I supervise cannot do (admin chemo, hang blood products, etc).
 

I hate to ask such a daft question, BUUUUUUUUT is the equipment to suction a patient in the PICU or ICU in every room? Or does the suctioning equipment being in the room depend on each patients' medical needs?

Where I work , its in every room.

Its usually a unit on the wall with a suction tube attached that just needs turned on.
 
And here LPN's are on the other end of that spectrum. Under the supervision of an RN supervisor, they typically run entire floors of nursing homes, administer medication, perform treatments (everything from dressing a skin tear to applying a wound vac), are in contact with and writing physician's orders, etc. There are very few things that the LPN's I supervise cannot do (admin chemo, hang blood products, etc).

Agreed, that's how it is here. The also can start IV's (with proper training), administer medications through an IV such as antibiotics, suction trach's, administer oral meds. LPN's have a lot of direct patient care under the supervision of an RN.
 
Agreed, that's how it is here. The also can start IV's (with proper training), administer medications through an IV such as antibiotics, suction trach's, administer oral meds. LPN's have a lot of direct patient care under the supervision of an RN.

This is what I was going to say. I am an LPN, I do almost everything an RN does pretty much except hang blood. One of the sayings around here is you are Lower Paid Nurse, you do almost the same as the RN. They usually make about $6-$10 more an hour. What the previous poster described as just taking vitals and such is what a CNA does here.
 
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Agreed, that's how it is here. The also can start IV's (with proper training), administer medications through an IV such as antibiotics, suction trach's, administer oral meds. LPN's have a lot of direct patient care under the supervision of an RN.

Same here, as long as the LPN is IV certified (it's now written into their course study, I believe).
 
One thing I was thinking was maybe the reason we haven't heard much about where she is, it that maybe the facility told them that they don't want the family blasting their name to the news.
 
Good grief! Has anyone read the MSN.com article about Jahi's school and the school leader trying to "honor"(code word for enable) Jahi's family in telling the kids that Jahi may still be alive even though the doctors say she is legally dead.
and they had for those who chose to wear Team Jahi shirts. :confused3

You can have empathy, sympathy for someone, but that does not mean you have to be manipulated.
 
One thing I was thinking was maybe the reason we haven't heard much about where she is, it that maybe the facility told them that they don't want the family blasting their name to the news.

http://www2.dca.ca.gov/pls/wllpub/WLLQRYNA$LCEV2.QueryView?P_LICENSE_NUMBER=136796&P_LTE_ID=815

Doesn't say where she works, but I heard Kaiser.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?id=9361420

McMath's grandmother Sandra Chatman is a nurse at Kaiser Permanente Medical Center in Oakland and said she was surprised by what she calls a lack of attention by Oakland Children's Hospital staff.
 
phorsenuf said:
In this interview the Grandmother did she says she and Jahi were suctioning the blood but stumbles over that a bit. Wonder how much that could have come in to play. She says it about the 1:40 mark. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZhhTWhlW9c

This makes me mad - I'd be SCREAMING and making a fuss if my daughter/grandaughter was bleeding as much as she says! And as for her being a nurse, she should have known better than to have tried to treat it herself when she knew sommething was wrong and out of her league. Makes me want to blame the family as this woman was too cool on camera. I'd be a mess and more like the reporter (who incidently described the op wrong in the intro grrrr).
 
Good grief! Has anyone read the MSN.com article about Jahi's school and the school leader trying to "honor"(code word for enable) Jahi's family in telling the kids that Jahi may still be alive even though the doctors say she is legally dead.
and they had for those who chose to wear Team Jahi shirts. :confused3

You can have empathy, sympathy for someone, but that does not mean you have to be manipulated.

I haven't read the article so my comments are only based on what you wrote. I'm guessing this is front page news in their community so the school has to address it somehow. They are certainly in a predicament. If they have some type of memorial for their deceased student, they will then have to explain their position to these kids why they believe she is dead but still being kept "alive" at an undisclosed location. Is that really something the school wants to get involved in? I'm guessing it is much easier for them to hand out shirts showing that they are in her corner without being too committal one way or the other. I doubt the school wants to have some big debate on if she is really dead or alive and if the type of care the family has chosen is the right way. This definitely isn't something they are teaching in the common core! ;)
 
I've worked as a nurse in more than one state. LPNS have different rules and regulations (scope of practice) in each state. When I worked in New England, LPNS were rarely hired by hospitals, there were a few grandfathered in at hospitals while most were laid off, and most worked at nursing homes, home health, and rehab type settings. But in that state CNAs were trained as "techs" and were allowed to start ivs, do ekgs, and check blood sugars with the glucometer. LPNS were phased out in hospitals, not because they are less skilled, but because the hospitals realized they could make more money by paying CNAs to do the same skills for a lot less. I have worked with some LPNS who were far better nurses and had a lot more experience/skill than RNS, and some I would trust my life and the life of my family with in their care. Like any profession, there are good and bad.

In my current state, LPNS work in the hospitals side by side with us RNS and do mostly the same job but get paid less. ( a lot less). The are not allowed to do the primary assessment but can do all assessments after that. They cannot hang blood alone, but can with and RN (you always need 2 nurses to hang blood), and they cannot access a central line or PICC line, and they cannot care for someone in restraints. Their job is the same as mine. We work together. In this state CNAS make like $7 an hour and can only do vital signs and personal care. Not much else.

I am an RN, I take offense to people saying an LPN is less skilled or has less knowledge because it really depends on the LPN. While their training is I think a year, which is a lot shorter than that of an RN, their actual skill level and level of their nursing care is based on their ON THE JOB training and years of experience. Like all nurses, the bulk of your learning takes place on the job.

I have some serious concerns and questions about this grandmother being an LVN. She has demonstrated some serious knowledge deficits and assessment skills that make me question her position and experience. She has also showed some very poor judgement more than once.

I also want to mention that as a healthcare provider you are not permitted to care for your own family because emotion can cloud your judgement. You cannot make objective logical decisions when clouded by emotion or guilt. At first I thought this was what might be happening here, but as the media storm continues and she keeps opening her yap, its becoming clearer that she is lacking in skill and experience that is required to properly care for someone. Perhaps she worked with adults and has no pediatric knowledge? I work in acute care with adults, I do not pretend in any way shape or form to be an expert in pediatrics.
 
Good grief! Has anyone read the MSN.com article about Jahi's school and the school leader trying to "honor"(code word for enable) Jahi's family in telling the kids that Jahi may still be alive even though the doctors say she is legally dead.
and they had for those who chose to wear Team Jahi shirts. :confused3

You can have empathy, sympathy for someone, but that does not mean you have to be manipulated.

:thumbsup2

Its disgusting I am appalled.
 
“The school told us that she’s not officially dead yet,” said Dymond Allen, one of Jahi's friends at EC Reems Academy of Technology and Arts in East Oakland. “And we should keep her in our prayers. I still hope. And God has the last say-so.”

The academy's chief operating officer Lisa Blair said she has tried to honor Jahi's family's wishes by telling students that their classmate may still be alive, even though doctors say she is legally and clinically dead.

OMG. This school is a joke. Now I am so sad for a whole group of kids, too. Telling students "Jahi may still be alive" shows that this is not a school where you can expect to learn science. As a teacher, I would NEVER go along with this, no matter what parents wanted. What a disservice to the education of children.

I was so horrified I decided to look up this school's test scores. They are disgusting. 30% of students proficient or advanced in language arts, 35% in math. It ranked a 1 on a scale of 1-10 by the State. I teach in Southern California, in a school that is 85% minority, with a large percentage of English learners, so I know about teaching students in poverty. I am just horrified.
 
This is what I was going to say. I am an LPN, I do almost everything an RN does pretty much except hang blood. One of the sayings around here is you are Lower Paid Nurse, you do almost the same as the RN. They usually make about $6-$10 more an hour. What the previous poster described as just taking vitals and such is what a CNA does here.

I'm also an LPN. I had to take boards just like an RN. Nursing school was no piece of cake. We do a lot more than take temperatures. It definitely sounds like the skills described were of a CNA. They do a lot but their pay is very low starting out.
 
Good grief! Has anyone read the MSN.com article about Jahi's school and the school leader trying to "honor"(code word for enable) Jahi's family in telling the kids that Jahi may still be alive even though the doctors say she is legally dead.
and they had for those who chose to wear Team Jahi shirts. :confused3

You can have empathy, sympathy for someone, but that does not mean you have to be manipulated.

This story is getting stranger by the day. I'm sorry for the pain her parents are in, but they really need to get out of La La land.
 
OMG. This school is a joke. Now I am so sad for a whole group of kids, too. Telling students "Jahi may still be alive" shows that this is not a school where you can expect to learn science. As a teacher, I would NEVER go along with this, no matter what parents wanted. What a disservice to the education of children.

I was so horrified I decided to look up this school's test scores. They are disgusting. 30% of students proficient or advanced in language arts, 35% in math. It ranked a 1 on a scale of 1-10 by the State. I teach in Southern California, in a school that is 85% minority, with a large percentage of English learners, so I know about teaching students in poverty. I am just horrified.

That is really awful, on so many levels.

So next time a child from that school loses a close relative, maybe a grandparent, are they going to doubt the death, even though the doctors said they were dead? What a disservice!
 














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