13 Year old gir declared brain dead has now officially died

[storzo]

I think the family might feel, in some ways, responsible for her death. The mother talked about Jahi worrying that she might not wake up. Maybe the family didn't fully understand or research the details of the surgery. (The keep calling it routine)

The family has admitted to suctioning and the Popsicle. I see no reason for a witnessing father to lie about them feeding her McDonalds.

I think this circus was an effort to disguise these facts and shift the blame to the hospital.

What is this about feeding her McDonalds? I didn't hear that, though I admit I'm not following the case that closely.

 

[Lorelei Lee]

What is this about feeding her McDonalds? I didn't hear that, though I admit I'm not following the case that closely.

the power of social media and internet message boards.

There are documents submitted to the court about what caused Jahi to bleed out and go into cardiac arrest, but the documents are sealed and the media can't access them. The hospital is bound by HIPPA and can't discuss what happened.

But an individual responding to one of the news articles on line posted a comment, indicating that he was the parent of a child in the PICU at the time Jahi came out of surgery, and that her family fed her bits of a hamburger. I've seen that comment repeated here on the DIS, on Allnurses, and elsewhere, but not in the mainstream media.

 

[storzo]

the power of social media and internet message boards.

There are documents submitted to the court about what caused Jahi to bleed out and go into cardiac arrest, but the documents are sealed and the media can't access them. The hospital is bound by HIPPA and can't discuss what happened.

But an individual responding to one of the news articles on line posted a comment, indicating that he was the parent of a child in the PICU at the time Jahi came out of surgery, and that her family fed her bits of a hamburger. I've seen that comment repeated here on the DIS, on Allnurses, and elsewhere, but not in the mainstream media.

Ah....ok....thanks!

 

[JanaDee]

I used to watch Dr Drew sometimes during the Jodi Arias trial, and I think she was on then too. I haven't watched in a long time, but I think she might be a regular.

Oh, ok. I've never watched him.

 

[mnrose]

How can the sun revolve around the earth? The earth is flat!

All the science I need to know, I learned on the DIS.

 

[khertz]

Dr. Drew annoys the heck out of me on his Teen Mom specials, but in this case, he is spot on. I can't believe some of those panelists though?? Time to let this poor girl go. She deserves some dignity, and it is completely unfair to her that her death has played out to the media for this long because her family is unable to come to grips with the fact that she has passed on. A beating heart does not make a person who they are. I am a mother, and I can't even imagine what her mother was going through when these events occurred, and I can understand not WANTING to let go, but at some point, you just have to accept it, whether you WANT to or not.

 

[JanaDee]

All the science I need to know, I learned on the DIS.

I think that is the scariest thing I have ever read here.

 

[mousefanmichelle]

I have read this thread and read the news articles and I am saddened. I understand the science and what brain dead means and I understand hoping beyond hope that the diagnosis is wrong and that the poor girl would "wake up". So I understand the grief the mother has but now, this many weeks later, Jahi hasn't "woken up". It is just incredibly sad all the way around. I feel for everyone involved on some level (with the exception of the seriously crazy ones).

That being said how could anyone who is in their right mind, professionally, say that this girl is doing good now that she has had some interventions? What medical professional would do that? What kind of medical professional would intervene by placing a feeding tube or other apparatus on this girl and say she is doing well now that she is getting what she needs medically. What kind of kook would do that? Is it all a hoax? Are they lying? Are they saying this but it really hasn't happened and this poor girls body is just rotting and they are mouring and can't really confess to the situation because of the debacle it has become? Maybe they think that if they hold out then whatever lawsuit they file against the hospital will have more merit?

Are they just totally off their wagons looking for this payout and it isn't about this poor girl afterall?

Just my ramblings I guess but I do really feel very sorry for them all.

 

[phorsenuf]

<snip>
It's been happening for awhile now, and it's frightening. I read a statistic that only about 1/2 of American's know how long it takes for the Earth to rotate around the Sun. Really?!?! Really?!?!?

Your quote made me think about this for some reason.

 

[bcla]

I have read this thread and read the news articles and I am saddened. I understand the science and what brain dead means and I understand hoping beyond hope that the diagnosis is wrong and that the poor girl would "wake up". So I understand the grief the mother has but now, this many weeks later, Jahi hasn't "woken up". It is just incredibly sad all the way around. I feel for everyone involved on some level (with the exception of the seriously crazy ones).

I don't think it's merely that they're hoping the diagnosis is wrong. It's that they feel that their faith in God is strong and that if they show enough faith by keeping the body pumping, God will grant them a miracle.

The uncle was interviewed saying that as long as they could keep the heart operating, that "God will put the spark back in her brain." These are not people you can reason with about a medical condition. They feel that they're due divine intervention.

 

[minkydog]

Dr. Drew is fired up about it: http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/01/10/hln-drew-jahi-mcmath-brain-dead-panel.hln.html

Whoa! He really pinned their ears back. I'm sure most of the medical community of the U.S. are giving him a virtual high-five today.

Way to go , Dr. Drew!

One thing that I picked up on was this: Dr. Drew explained that her heart and lungs are basically in "cardiac prep", which is a term I am unfamiliar with. He indicated that a heart & lungs in "cardiac prep", being fed oxygen and IV nutrients could probably be maintained for quite a while, even years. I'm just wondering who is going to pay the thousands of dollars a day that it will cost to keep her heart and lungs functioning at this facility. Even if her mom does get a settlement of $250,000, it will take less than a month to eat through that in medical costs.

Personally, I think at least some of the family is holding out for a Movie of the Week-type deal. Or book rights or something along that line. We will never, ever hear them tell the truth about what she looks like, what she smell like, or details of decay that we know are happening, as they happen to all dead people.

 

[minkydog]

I have read this thread and read the news articles and I am saddened. I understand the science and what brain dead means and I understand hoping beyond hope that the diagnosis is wrong and that the poor girl would "wake up". So I understand the grief the mother has but now, this many weeks later, Jahi hasn't "woken up". It is just incredibly sad all the way around. I feel for everyone involved on some level (with the exception of the seriously crazy ones).

That being said how could anyone who is in their right mind, professionally, say that this girl is doing good now that she has had some interventions? What medical professional would do that? What kind of medical professional would intervene by placing a feeding tube or other apparatus on this girl and say she is doing well now that she is getting what she needs medically. What kind of kook would do that? Is it all a hoax? Are they lying? Are they saying this but it really hasn't happened and this poor girls body is just rotting and they are mouring and can't really confess to the situation because of the debacle it has become? Maybe they think that if they hold out then whatever lawsuit they file against the hospital will have more merit?

Are they just totally off their wagons looking for this payout and it isn't about this poor girl afterall?

Just my ramblings I guess but I do really feel very sorry for them all.

You know what just occurred to me when I read this? I wonder if she hasn't already gone off and died. After all, she was pronounced dead Dec. 12. To me, this family media circus just doesn't ring so true. Could they have quietly moved her to another facility, taken her off the machines, and buried her without anyone knowing but the funeral home?

Now that I think about it, probably not. Her family is a bunch of media, um, not Dis-friendly word, and if they buried her we'd be seeing a New Orleans style cortege complete with trumpets, drums and dancing in the streets. Oh let the Saints go marching in...let this little Saint go marching in, PLEASE.

 

[Lorelei Lee]

You know what just occurred to me when I read this? I wonder if she hasn't already gone off and died. After all, she was pronounced dead Dec. 12. To me, this family media circus just doesn't ring so true. Could they have quietly moved her to another facility, taken her off the machines, and buried her without anyone knowing but the funeral home?

Now that I think about it, probably not. Her family is a bunch of media, um, not Dis-friendly word, and if they buried her we'd be seeing a New Orleans style cortege complete with trumpets, drums and dancing in the streets. Oh let the Saints go marching in...let this little Saint go marching in, PLEASE.

And all the while gnashing their teeth and screaming how the horrible hospital killed jahi.

 

[bcla]

Whoa! He really pinned their ears back. I'm sure most of the medical community of the U.S. are giving him a virtual high-five today.

Way to go , Dr. Drew!

One thing that I picked up on was this: Dr. Drew explained that her heart and lungs are basically in "cardiac prep", which is a term I am unfamiliar with. He indicated that a heart & lungs in "cardiac prep", being fed oxygen and IV nutrients could probably be maintained for quite a while, even years. I'm just wondering who is going to pay the thousands of dollars a day that it will cost to keep her heart and lungs functioning at this facility. Even if her mom does get a settlement of $250,000, it will take less than a month to eat through that in medical costs.

Personally, I think at least some of the family is holding out for a Movie of the Week-type deal. Or book rights or something along that line. We will never, ever hear them tell the truth about what she looks like, what she smell like, or details of decay that we know are happening, as they happen to all dead people.

The rest of the body is going to be downright disgusting by then. While the heart and lungs might be kept going, the other organs are decomposing as we speak.

 

[bcla]

You know what just occurred to me when I read this? I wonder if she hasn't already gone off and died. After all, she was pronounced dead Dec. 12. To me, this family media circus just doesn't ring so true. Could they have quietly moved her to another facility, taken her off the machines, and buried her without anyone knowing but the funeral home?

Now that I think about it, probably not. Her family is a bunch of media, um, not Dis-friendly word, and if they buried her we'd be seeing a New Orleans style cortege complete with trumpets, drums and dancing in the streets. Oh let the Saints go marching in...let this little Saint go marching in, PLEASE.

They are supposed to hand over the body to the coroner for an autopsy once they've exhausted all efforts. I thought that was part of their agreement for the coroner to give them custody of the body.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I've wondered if, at this point, they're creating the story that she has improved since leaving Children's Hospital, so that when her body eventually gives out and can no longer be kept going on "life" support, they can claim that had she been given the opportunity for that improvement back on Dec 12, then she would have had a chance at a recovery. That "improving" was proof she could have gotten better, given the chance earlier. And wherever she is, that facility HAS TO eventually give up. They won't be getting paid, they'll have to realize she is, in fact, dead, there will be no hope, and then what? Geez, whenever I really think about the facts and unknowns and past and future of this case, my head hurts. Just too crazy.

 

[minkydog]

The rest of the body is going to be downright disgusting by then. While the heart and lungs might be kept going, the other organs are decomposing as we speak.

I have cared for patients who had gangrene (death of tissue) and I can tell you, there is no smell like it. "Odor" doesn't even touch it. It's a scent that can't be covered up by any amount of Febreze. If gangrene goes on long enough, the skin literally falls off the bones and the bones are then fully visible. Now I don't know that she could actually develop gangrene--since she is dead and all. But decay is decay and no amount of spritzing is going to make a dead body smell like Mango Basil.

 

[minkydog]

They are supposed to hand over the body to the coroner for an autopsy once they've exhausted all efforts. I thought that was part of their agreement for the coroner to give them custody of the body.

AH! Thanks, I musta missed that somewhere.

 

[flexsmom]

They are supposed to hand over the body to the coroner for an autopsy once they've exhausted all efforts. I thought that was part of their agreement for the coroner to give them custody of the body.

I actually was wondering, too, if it was possible that they had accepted her death, removed her from support, and had her interred without telling anyone. Then I was thinking about what an interesting turn of events it would be if they decided to have her cremated once they accept her death, despite any settlement they may have signed that contemplated an autopsy. I could see them claiming they want to keep her out of the hands of any further "mistreatment" and beating a drum about not trusting mainstream medicine that is against them in terms of any autopsy findings there might be. Even if they violate a court order, I get the sense that they believe the court wouldn't pursue any kind of repercussions against them as a grieving family. It would not be any more outlandish than anything else that has occurred in the past month.......

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I actually was wondering, too, if it was possible that they had accepted her death, removed her from support, and had her interred without telling anyone. Then I was thinking about what an interesting turn of events it would be if they decided to have her cremated once they accept her death, despite any settlement they may have signed that contemplated an autopsy. I could see them claiming they want to keep her out of the hands of any further "mistreatment" and beating a drum about not trusting mainstream medicine that is against them in terms of any autopsy findings there might be. Even if they violate a court order, I get the sense that they believe the court wouldn't pursue any kind of repercussions against them as a grieving family. It would not be any more outlandish than anything else that has occurred in the past month.......

If she's cremated, isn't that destroying the evidence? I would think that they'd have to have an autopsy to pursue any lawsuit. Although I guess it goes both ways...IF they were responsible for the bleeding in some way, like feeding her (big huge enormous IF that happened, ok?) then they may not want the autopsy.

And at this point, would a crematorium follow through with the cremation in such a high profile case? I wonder if you need some kind of paperwork from a coroner saying the body has been released for cremation.