13 Year old gir declared brain dead has now officially died

[Lorelei Lee]

If she's cremated, isn't that destroying the evidence? I would think that they'd have to have an autopsy to pursue any lawsuit. Although I guess it goes both ways...IF they were responsible for the bleeding in some way, like feeding her (big huge enormous IF that happened, ok?) then they may not want the autopsy.

And at this point, would a crematorium follow through with the cremation in such a high profile case? I wonder if you need some kind of paperwork from a coroner saying the body has been released for cremation.

You do need a death certificate, among other things. And in Jahi's case, the death certificate says that the cause of death is pending an autopsy...crematorium would have a problem on their hands if they cremated the remains under these circumstances.

 

[Silly Little Pixie]

That being said how could anyone who is in their right mind, professionally, say that this girl is doing good now that she has had some interventions? What medical professional would do that? What kind of medical professional would intervene by placing a feeding tube or other apparatus on this girl and say she is doing well now that she is getting what she needs medically. What kind of kook would do that? Is it all a hoax? Are they lying? Are they saying this but it really hasn't happened and this poor girls body is just rotting and they are mouring and can't really confess to the situation because of the debacle it has become? Maybe they think that if they hold out then whatever lawsuit they file against the hospital will have more merit?

Are they just totally off their wagons looking for this payout and it isn't about this poor girl afterall?

Just my ramblings I guess but I do really feel very sorry for them all.

Since there has been no more news or updates this is what I think is going on.

 

[LisaR]

In this day and age of social media, if that was my kid that the hospital declared brain dead and she was now "improving," I'd be video taping it and blasting it all over the internet letting everyone know that the hospital was wrong. Since they aren't doing that, I'm going to guess things really aren't getting better. Their silence definitely has me questioning if she has.......I'm at a loss for a word......died??? Maybe I should say their silence has me questioning if they have finally accepted her death.

 

[luvsJack]

In this day and age of social media, if that was my kid that the hospital declared brain dead and she was now "improving," I'd be video taping it and blasting it all over the internet letting everyone know that the hospital was wrong. Since they aren't doing that, I'm going to guess things really aren't getting better. Their silence definitely has me questioning if she has.......I'm at a loss for a word......died??? Maybe I should say their silence has me questioning if they have finally accepted her death.

Maybe her heart has stopped? They would have accepted it then.

 

[mousefanmichelle]

I really and truly think it's a hoax. I think they took that poor girls body to their house and realized that she is dead and now they are in a pickle. They were media hounds and now...nothing. They have their foot in their mouths and don't know what to do. They are probably buying time and saying all this garbage without any collaboration except their laywer who just wants more business. They really don't have any medical staff doing any interventions - it's made up to make it look like something it is not.

Thats my thoughts about it.

 

[mousefanmichelle]

Maybe her heart has stopped? They would have accepted it then.

I don't think there is anything to accept. I think they know they made a mistake not taking her off the vent at the hospital but they have come this far in their 3 ring circus that they just keep the charade going in hopes of having some kind of pay out at the end.

They really and truly cannot be this stupid to think she is going to rise from the dead.

 

[luvsJack]

I don't think there is anything to accept. I think they know they made a mistake not taking her off the vent at the hospital but they have come this far in their 3 ring circus that they just keep the charade going in hopes of having some kind of pay out at the end.

They really and truly cannot be this stupid to think she is going to rise from the dead.

I honestly cannot imagine what they think but I do know that this woman is a mother and I just don't believe any mother could sit there and not truly believe that her child is some how alive.

There may be people around her that know they made a mistake and are convincing her otherwise but this is a mother of a child she has had for 13 years. A, seemingly, happy child. I just don't see her mother turning cold-hearted and not caring what is happening to her baby's body at this point.

It is so, so sad. Not for Jahi but for her mother and what she is going to have to realize at some point that there is no hope, when she does the grief and the pain and the guilt are going to be a huge cross to bear.

I don't think she thinks the child will "rise from the dead" because I don't think she thinks the child IS dead.

Now, another possibility, could be that since all is quiet on their end, the mother may have accepted it and is now distanced from it. The charade may be continued by the uncle and the lawyer

 

[Lanshark]

Will there ever be a point where the authorities Could legally step in? I'm not saying they would but could they?

 

[LisaR]

I honestly cannot imagine what they think but I do know that this woman is a mother and I just don't believe any mother could sit there and not truly believe that her child is some how alive.

There may be people around her that know they made a mistake and are convincing her otherwise but this is a mother of a child she has had for 13 years. A, seemingly, happy child. I just don't see her mother turning cold-hearted and not caring what is happening to her baby's body at this point.

It is so, so sad. Not for Jahi but for her mother and what she is going to have to realize at some point that there is no hope, when she does the grief and the pain and the guilt are going to be a huge cross to bear.

I don't think she thinks the child will "rise from the dead" because I don't think she thinks the child IS dead.

Now, another possibility, could be that since all is quiet on their end, the mother may have accepted it and is now distanced from it. The charade may be continued by the uncle and the lawyer

This is what I hope will be the case. Maybe I am being far too naive, but from everything I have read, this was a normal, everyday family before this happened. That mother loved her child dearly. I can't imagine her child died unexpectedly and she suddenly started thinking about book deals and a made for TV movie. Of course, there are a lot of wackos out there so anything is possible. Until the mother proves me wrong, I will think this is someone who lost the love of her life and simply can't find a way to let go. I just don't think this mother sees the circus this has become. I will be the first to admit it if I am wrong. It is very hard for most of us to wrap our heads around this, but if you search you will find that some people do some very strange things with their dead love ones in order to keep them close and not let go. Whatever the reason, I hope Jahi has found her own peace.

 

[bcla]

Will there ever be a point where the authorities Could legally step in? I'm not saying they would but could they?

Their custody right now is informal and sort of allowed by the Alameda County Coroner. Legally they've got a dead body on their hands and they could theoretically be charged with defiling a corpse and illegal transportation of a dead body. A dead body is not supposed to be transported by ambulance. It's only supposed to be transported by a licensed funeral home or a coroner.

If they figured out where they were, they could probably go in right now and take custody of the body for an autopsy. They won't do it of course.

 

[CF'er]

There is a theory on All Nurses as to where she could be.

 

[phorsenuf]

There is a theory on All Nurses as to where she could be.

Someone did some sleuthing and came up with this place; George Mark Children's House. Now whether she is there or not who knows. All just speculation on their part.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

In this day and age of social media, if that was my kid that the hospital declared brain dead and she was now "improving," I'd be video taping it and blasting it all over the internet letting everyone know that the hospital was wrong. Since they aren't doing that, I'm going to guess things really aren't getting better. Their silence definitely has me questioning if she has.......I'm at a loss for a word......died??? Maybe I should say their silence has me questioning if they have finally accepted her death.

I wondered about that too. I would expect there to be videos, like Terri Schiavo's family put out, showing the improvements to all the doubters.

 

[John VN]

1-Blasting over the net would not be needed. An improvement video would go viral. No video, no improvement.....period

2-There are parents who are devastated over their child going off to college, so don't judge too harshly.

 

[richmond282]

This video was posted on the allnurses forum. It explains brain death very well I think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffqz-vKZO5Q

 

[kimblebee]

This video was posted on the allnurses forum. It explains brain death very well I think. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffqz-vKZO5Q

That's a great video! It should be shown to the family.

 

[sonnyjane]

That's a great video! It should be shown to the family.

Agree! And man, that animation of the brain liquefying certainly hits things home for me! There is NO recovery from that! Still can't believe the lawyer said she is "improving"!

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

This video was posted on the allnurses forum. It explains brain death very well I think. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffqz-vKZO5Q

That was good. Thanks for posting it. The only thing is that it seems like, altho someone can last weeks, he indicates that it's more likely to be only a few days. So is Jahi just one of those rare cases? Because it seems odd that this got to be such a big case so quickly AND she's one of the rare ones who has hung on this long. And what about that pregnant woman? Or was that already explained on this thread, how they're able to keep her going as a human incubator for so long? Here's another video that popped up on the side when I watched the brain death video. It appears to be a radio show interview with "Dr" Byrnes. I listened to almost 3 minutes of it before I stopped, but if anyone's in the mood for some aggravation, here ya go... http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffqz-vKZO5Q&desktop_uri=/watch?v=Ffqz-vKZO5Q

ETA: Not sure why I can't get a direct link to the Byrnes "video" but it's on the side of the brain death video that richmond posted.

 

[phorsenuf]

In this interview the Grandmother did she says she and Jahi were suctioning the blood but stumbles over that a bit. Wonder how much that could have come in to play. She says it about the 1:40 mark. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZhhTWhlW9c

 

[Enchanted Minnie]

This video was posted on the allnurses forum. It explains brain death very well I think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffqz-vKZO5Q

Wow, that video is very informative and explains it well in terms most everyone can understand. Very interesting.