13 reasons why Netflix orginal

[tinkerbellandeeyor]

any one else watch just want to know what every one else thought I am still not quite done

 

[DeniseJH]

I watched it. I really liked the Clay character, but the others seemed exaggerated to me. They also were much more adult in their conversations and day to day lives than I would expect for 16-17 year olds. Of course I've been out of high school for decades, so I could easily be out of the loop on teens of this day and age. The suicide scene was gut wrenching. I understand why they included it, but man....not something I'll soon forget. They are talking about a second season, but I think they should let this stand as is.

 

[mousefanmichelle]

My 18 yr old dd is watching it and she said it is really hard to watch. Several months ago my 20 year old threatened suicide and we just had a freshman take his own life last week Wednesday so this is really hitting home for her. I don't think I can watch it.

 

[Queen of the WDW Scene]

I have not watched but my sister and niece have and said it was r4eally good.
When I mentioned that just now the news is saying that local schools are encouraging teens to not watch it my sister and niece said that's number one a little too late and number two unnecessary. (BTW my sister works with kids at the local mental health department and my niece is 18 so I trust their opinions on the subject)

 

[wilkeliza]

I began to watch but once the conversation started over it we took a break. It is such an emotionally heavy show that I didn't want all the chatter to sway me one way or the other. My niece and sister-in-law did watch it. My sister in law wasn't a fan actually. She didn't like the message it gave that all of these kids are "responsible" for the suicide. She also didn't like that it put so much weight on a high school relationship. She did sit down and talk with her daughter over it which she said was good. Another friend of the family watched every episode with their pre-teen and after each one they talked about it. They had serious conversations about the subject matter which is also a plus. I think that mom agreed that it did seem wrong to blame everyone who was on the tapes but was happy to have the conversation starter.

 

[kidshop]

I began to watch but once the conversation started over it we took a break. It is such an emotionally heavy show that I didn't want all the chatter to sway me one way or the other. My niece and sister-in-law did watch it. My sister in law wasn't a fan actually. She didn't like the message it gave that all of these kids are "responsible" for the suicide. She also didn't like that it put so much weight on a high school relationship. She did sit down and talk with her daughter over it which she said was good. Another friend of the family watched every episode with their pre-teen and after each one they talked about it. They had serious conversations about the subject matter which is also a plus. I think that mom agreed that it did seem wrong to blame everyone who was on the tapes but was happy to have the conversation starter.

i dont have netflix, so i can't watch it, but the school did send an email about it. Their points were what you mentioned about the suicide being payback for the wrongs, and the fact that no information on where to get help was provided...not a phone number or a psa that there were other ways to deal with pain. The school mentioned "suicide contagion" and provided sources for help.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

Area school districts are preparing responses to the show. I don't think the lesson people are getting out of it is the same lesson the book presented. I'm not sure if that's on purpose or a problem with how the show as made.

 

[mmouse37]

I watched the first two episodes last night....will see how the rest of the series goes. I like the Clay character.

MJ

 

[wilkeliza]

Area school districts are preparing responses to the show. I don't think the lesson people are getting out of it is the same lesson the book presented. I'm not sure if that's on purpose or a problem with how the show as made.

I haven't read the book but fiance did. He has already mentioned how they differ. I guess in the book he listens to the tapes all in one night and then the rest of the book is the aftermath of the tapes. Not really sure though.

I do unfortunately have 1 friend who is dealing with some backlash from this. Of course as many professionals have pointed out it isn't the well adjusted "normal" kids they are worried about but the ones who are already struggling. This friends kid was already struggling and watched it and spiraled pretty far out of control. Not my story to tell but hearing about it definitely made me think about the problems it can have. With that said though I don't think it should be banned or taken off netflix over that I think it just goes to show how we need a new way to tackle internet based media because it is becoming harder and harder for parents to have control over that.

 

[amberpi]

I watched the first 2 episodes and wrote Netflix an email about it. As someone who has been impacted by a number of suicides and seeing what the world of psychology says about it, I have some pretty strong opinions. I won't be finishing it. Two of my 3 best friends are high school teachers (they're saints, I'm not) and they are pissed would be a mild word about it as they've both had more than 1 suicide in their schools just this year.

 

[DeniseJH]

I'm not a psychologist, but I don't see how a show about suicide - that doesn't glorify suicide - could encourage anyone to commit suicide. It seems this show would more likely result in kids seeking help and/or treating each other more kindly, if it is going to influence them in any way.

 

[brockash]

I have not watched but my sister and niece have and said it was r4eally good.
When I mentioned that just now the news is saying that local schools are encouraging teens to not watch it my sister and niece said that's number one a little too late and number two unnecessary. (BTW my sister works with kids at the local mental health department and my niece is 18 so I trust their opinions on the subject)

I totally agree that it's way too late, as I would say at least 80% of our kids at our high school (I'm a counselor) have seen it, however I don't agree about the warnings being unnecessary. While I'm not sure the warnings will do much good, I def. do not recommend younger high school students (we've had as young as elementary kids watching it in our district) or students of any age who have self-harm/suicide ideation in their history. You really have to try to look at things from a teens perspective and some def. see this as a glorification, others are watching alone with no conversation/discussion afterwards and I see A LOT left to be desired as far as the responsibility of the producers of the show etc. The message it sends to teens is skewed at best and obviously as a school counselor I'm certainly not a fan of the way they characterized the school counselor and without any resolution. Obviously there are some counselors I'm sure that are dismissive etc., but I would say the vast majority genuinely care about the well-being of their students and are there to help etc., and I feel if anything the show is sending the message to teens that nobody cares, not even the people whose jobs it is to help are going to, so why bother...

 

[tinkerbellandeeyor]

Even though I only have three episodes left I am speechless and I must be a odd creature because this show has showed me what suicide would do to those left behind

 

[amberpi]

My issues with it aren't even the glorification of suicide, its the blaming those who are left behind. Mental illness is a TERRIBLE thing, so is bullying, etc., but, ugh, just thinking about this makes me sick to my stomach.

 

[mrsv98]

DD's High school sent an email about this yesterday. We talked to her about it but DH and I haven't seen it. She is really upset by it because, in her opinion, it has many flaws, including glorifying suicide. She is very interested in psychology and mental health and is pissed that the show never advocates therapy or talking to an adult.

 

[DeniseJH]

I truly don't see how this show in any way glorifies suicide. And she did talk to an adult, the counselor. The way I saw it was that she was looking for a savior at that point and there was no way he was going to live up to that. Not that he didn't/couldn't help or care.

 

[wilkeliza]

I truly don't see how this show in any way glorifies suicide. And she did talk to an adult, the counselor. The way I saw it was that she was looking for a savior at that point and there was no way he was going to live up to that. Not that he didn't/couldn't help or care.

It isn't that it glorifies it per sea but that it gives some suicidal teens/preteens the idea that they can perform a "revenge" suicide. Meaning that they'll have a voice after their death and can stick it to people through their death. Due to the nature and constant presence of the dead character a child who is already in a dark place could lose grip on the actual finality of suicide and the fact that "revenge" suicides don't exist like they do in media. Even if you make 13 tapes it isn't like they are going to get passed around and treated like they do in this show nor would they change those people. I think it is also about the fact the tapes place blame on a lot of people ranging from minor reasons (like a guys inability to say I love you) to major reasons (rape). I don't think it was about the the lack of adult help. So it glorifies suicide in the fact that it seems like an ok solution to people who may already be feeling strong feelings.

 

[DeniseJH]

My comment about talking to an adult was in response to the previous post. I do understand what you are saying otherwise. But, it is also a program that can help kids. The message to be kinder to each other and that there are people who care and that suicide ain't pretty. The idea of revenge suicide is nothing new. If some kids are that impressionable that a program aimed to help prevent suicide is going to cause them to commit suicide, then they most likely would find that inspiration elsewhere. It's not healthy for the subject to be taboo, and while this program might not be perfect, at least it's got a lot of people talking.

 

[wilkeliza]

I think one major issue a lot of people had with Netflix was the little to no warning on the entire show (the only warning originally was on the episodes where it shows the suicide and where it shows the rape) and originally it had no major support lines. It is just a stark difference to the way teen shows usually handle the content. I think since it was TV-MA they didn't think it needed more then that but it really does. Even would have benefited greatly from a before and after slide with the national suicide hotline and information on where to find confidential help. That's usually what you see before shows dealing with suicide and it was no where on this until today actually. It doesn't really help to just put it out there (again not saying the show should be pulled or anything drastic like that) with out pointing people where to get help.

 

[DeniseJH]

These days with all kids having smart phones, and constantly being on social media, I think those that want help could find it quite easily. Would have been nice if they had included it, but not that big a deal, in my opinion. I still believe that the program can do way more good than harm.