11/28/09 - 12/5/2009 The Nana's Ride the Seas Again #5

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General GTKY…
1. Where do you live? Catasauqua, PA

2. Are you married? How long? Yes, 37 years

3. Do you have any children? Ages? Yes, DD 36, DS 22

4. Do you have any pets?Yes. 1 Dog (miniature Border Collie/Black Lab mix), 4 cats

5. What do you do for a living? Work? Stay at home? Hairstylist

6. What is your favorite movie? Somewhere in Time (Jane Seymour & Christopher Reeve)

7. What is your favorite book? Anything StarTrek

8. What is/are your favorite TV show(s)? CSI's, Law & Orders, Trauma, anything medical or criminal. Also, American Idol & America's Got Talent. (DD's DH is a city Cop, DD is a College Cop & studying Forensic Psychology, DS is Security at the new Sands Casino in Bethlehem, PA and wants to be a Cop someday too and DH & I used to be EMT's on a volunteer ambulance corps)

9. What is your favorite food? Shrimp

10. What type of music do you listen to? Do you have a favorite group/singer/band etc.?John Denver, Barry Manilow, 50's, 60's & 70's music and few new groups. Basically easy listening.

11. Where did you do your schooling from? High School - Freedom High, Bethlehem, PA. After that I went to Allentown School of Cosmetology, took my boards and got my license.

12. Do you like sports? What's your favorite football team? Ice Hockey. Whatever team my son plays on.

13. How many siblings do you have? 3 older brothers

14. Did you always want to be a XXX? (your profession) I always enjoyed working with hair, but in 7th grade I wanted to be a nurse, but then I realized how many years of additional school I would need and went with Hairdressing instead. Did get a little fix the years I worked as an EMT though.

15. What do you like to do in your spare time? Sewing, Knitting, Crocheting and other crafts. I'm also pretty handy with tools. Just finished painting DS former room, laid parquette flooring and cut all the moulding for around the floor. DH had to drill and hammer it in because I just don't have the strength for that. (It was Oak moulding)

16. Any interesting places that you've traveled to lately? Bahamas last year on the cruise and in 2004 I went to London with DH when he went there for work. Want to go back there someday.

17. Any particular cuisines or dishes that you like the most? Pennsylvania Dutch

18. What is your attitude when it comes to money? Are you a spender or a saver? Both, save, then spend.

19. What does your name mean? Don't laugh, literally translated it means "Beaver Meadow"

20. When is your birthday? November 28 (first day of the cruise)

21. What is your zodiac sign? Saggitarius

22. What are your preferences when it comes to clothes and fashion? mosty casual, but love to dress up too

23. Are you an introvert or an extrovert? Introvert, at least until I get to know you.

24. Are you an outdoors person? yes. We have camped quite a bit, Canada included. Love to swim, but can't stand the sun & heat.

25. Are you an adventurous person by nature or do you prefer playing it safe? adventurous. I ride my own motorcycle (a Yamaha Virago 250). DH & DS also ride. I am not a good passenger though.

26. How was your childhood like? With 3 older brothers it was rough. I didn't have the kind of protective brothers that others had. Mine would just as soon help pick on me than help me. It's gotten better over the years since we've all grown up.

27. Post a recent picture of yourself....:)
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OK, I'll play along, too...

General GTKY…
1. Where do you live?
about an hour north of Manhattan

2. Are you married? How long?
Married 15 years this past June, together 20.

3. Do you have any children? Ages?
We have an 11 year old son and a 7 year old daughter.

4. Do you have any pets?
2 rescue cats- Peaches and Poco. Poco is a tiny little thing with megaesophagus, a lovebug but a ton of work...

5. What do you do for a living? Work? Stay at home?
My background is in Human Genetics, but I've been a SAHM for most of the past 11 years. I do a lot with our PTA and run their Arts in Ed Committee

6. What is your favorite movie?
The Sound of Music

7. What is your favorite book?
Hmm...that's a hard one. I love to read.

8. What is/are your favorite TV show(s)?
The Amazing Race. The Big Bang Theory (that's the geek in me talking).

9. What is your favorite food?
Cheesecake. Strike that. Chocolate cheesecake.

10. What type of music do you listen to? Do you have a favorite group/singer/band etc.?
I like Broadway music best but also Billy Joel, Elton John, folk music, mostly that sort of thing. And PDQ Bach (there's that geek in me, again).

11. Where did you do your schooling from?
I graduated from Brandeis after spending my freshman year abroad at a college in Switzerland. Then grad school in NYC for Genetics, but I left after 7 years before finishing. Long story.

12. Do you like sports? What's your favorite football team?
Ick, sports.

13. How many siblings do you have?
One little sister (not so little now I guess).

14. Did you always want to be a XXX? (your profession)
I always figured I'd be a scientist. I didn't count on hating it so much.

15. What do you like to do in your spare time?
Read, go online (I love online word games like Word Twist and Scramble)

16. Any interesting places that you've traveled to lately?
My best friend and I went to Switzerland and Italy for our 40th(s) this past spring.

17. Any particular cuisines or dishes that you like the most?
I love Greek food.

18. What is your attitude when it comes to money? Are you a spender or a saver?
Honestly, I'd have to admit to being a spender, but I do try to save too, or at least get bargains.

19. What does your name mean?
Lily
20. When is your birthday?
Nov. 9

21. What is your zodiac sign?
Scorpio

22. What are your preferences when it comes to clothes and fashion?
Casual- jeans and a sweater, crocs.

23. Are you an introvert or an extrovert?
Introvert.

24. Are you an outdoors person?
Outdoors... Also "ick". But the rest of the family likes the outdoors so I go along :^)

25. Are you an adventurous person by nature or do you prefer playing it safe?
A little of each.

26. How was your childhood like?
Ummm, normal. Ish.

27. Post a recent picture of yourself....
I 'll find one and post later...
 
General GTKY…
1. Where do you live?
Whitehorse, Yukon

2. Are you married? How long?
Together since 1988.

3. Do you have any children? Ages?
Girl 19 Boy 19 Boy 17.

4. Do you have any pets?
rescued dog

5. What do you do for a living? Work? Stay at home?
Work in finance branch for Yukon Government

6. What is your favorite movie?
Anything with Johnny Depp

7. What is your favorite book?
Will read just about anything. Currently reading 'Alice, I Think', by Susan Juby-very funny

8. What is/are your favorite TV show(s)?
Lost

9. What is your favorite food?
Anything that I don't have to cook

10. What type of music do you listen to? Do you have a favorite group/singer/band etc.?
Rock

11. Where did you do your schooling from?
Did a semester here and there every few years, never could decide on a major

12. Do you like sports? What's your favorite football team?
I'm sure you meant to ask what's my favourite hockey team-Vancouver Canucks.

13. How many siblings do you have?
none

14. Did you always want to be a XXX? (your profession)
I still don't know what I want to do.

15. What do you like to do in your spare time?
Lurk on the disboard, google travel sites, read, go hiking

16. Any interesting places that you've traveled to lately?
The kids and I went to Belize and Guatemala in December. Crossing the border by land into Guatemala was very interesting

17. Any particular cuisines or dishes that you like the most?
Sushi

18. What is your attitude when it comes to money? Are you a spender or a saver?
I don't spend on the little things likes Lattes and eating out, but I will spend on travel

19. What does your name mean?
It is a varient of Jane-means God's gracious gift

20. When is your birthday?
Nov. 18

21. What is your zodiac sign?
Scorpio

22. What are your preferences when it comes to clothes and fashion?
Comfortable, casual

23. Are you an introvert or an extrovert?
definitely an introvert

24. Are you an outdoors person?
I think you have to be to live in the north

25. Are you an adventurous person by nature or do you prefer playing it safe?
Adventurous but sensible

26. How was your childhood like?
Typical

27. Post a recent picture of yourself....
I don't do pictures... but I'll post one of my son Trevor who is my cruising buddy this time
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Wow lots of scorpio's on this trip. My BFF that is coming is a scorpio also. I don't know if this is a good thing :lmao:

I am definetly joining the dismeet on the first day. I want Michaela to meet some girls and have a great time in the clubs, and its amazing there are so many girls around her age.
 

Oh, I love the pictures and the GTKY info. Thanks for starting this Steph!! I need to post a picture of us and will eventually get to that.
Wanted to do it last night but we have a kitty that hates when we're on the computer. So he jumps up on the computer and hits the off button. Seriously, he turns off the computer. :goodvibes

So DD was writing an email to one of the other girls on the thread, was just about to sign her name and the dang cat shut down the computer. :rotfl: It was bedtime anyway (for her) so I never bothered to log back on.

And yukongirl (sorry, I don't know your first name), we looked up where Whitehorse was on the map. DD said "Well no wonder they are going to Florida. They must be frozen up there!" And I concur!! :goodvibes So this thread is somewhat educational. Yep, that's my story and I'm sticking with it. I play on the Dis for the educational value. :thumbsup2
 
Yay! Loving the GTKY's! And I agree Allison--the Yukon?! It makes me glad I live in VT (and usually I'm just feeling sorry for myself cause it's so cold all the time.) ;):) It must be seriously beautiful there though!

Keep em comin' :0)
 
That's exactly why we are going to Florida..to escape the cold for a couple of weeks. I like winter, but it is nice to have a bit of a break from it.

Janice
 
Just giving us a little bump to the top! Hi everyone!

DH is working on the FE gifts today and driving me a little crazy. But that's why I love him because he's as crazy as I am. :goodvibes He took my simple idea and completely re-worked it and made it great. What a good man :lovestruc (when he's not driving me bonkers :lmao:).
 
Just giving us a little bump to the top! Hi everyone!

DH is working on the FE gifts today and driving me a little crazy. But that's why I love him because he's as crazy as I am. :goodvibes He took my simple idea and completely re-worked it and made it great. What a good man :lovestruc (when he's not driving me bonkers :lmao:).

I wonder how the FE list is coming - any new adds? While I am excited the cruise is just 6 weeks away, I also know it is going to get crazy getting organzied/packed for me, DH and 4 kids so hoping to get FE gifts firmed up in next couple weeks but need to know final headcount and gender of kids.

Nessa - thanks for handling all this!!
 
YAY! A few more ppl did the GYKY!!!! I'm lovin' the replies...

Disneyholic (sorry I don't know your first name??)...I loved reading that. I'm really impressed that you're so handy. We've been wanting to lay flooring in the kitchen for a while sometimes I think if I just started doing it myself we'd be onto something...hehe....

Suzanne...
Wow, another Scorpio...and your B-day is just a few days after mine. :) I'm impressed with your Scientist background...You mentioned hating it...What would be your dream job if you could just pick something else?? Oh, and I like the Big Bang Theory too...funny stuff! We're waiting on your picture...;)

Yukongirl...
Thanks for jumping in! It's nice to "meet you"....I was going to complain about how cold it was here this morning...but now I'll keep my mouth shut...:) I can't believe yet ANOTHER Scorpio! We should call this the Scorpio cruise...hehe...You have twins?? I'm lovin your picture...Is he excited to cruise (again?)? Thanks for sharing....
 
YAY! A few more ppl did the GYKY!!!! I'm lovin' the replies...

Disneyholic (sorry I don't know your first name??)...I loved reading that. I'm really impressed that you're so handy. We've been wanting to lay flooring in the kitchen for a while sometimes I think if I just started doing it myself we'd be onto something...hehe....

First name is Beverly (hense the Beaver Meadow/Lea) but I go by Bev.
 
O.K. Somehow got logged out any my responses erased! I'll try this again!

General GTKY…
1. Where do you live?
Minnesota

2. Are you married? How long?
Yes - 9 years

3. Do you have any children? Ages?
Two girls 8 (in Dec) and 5

4. Do you have any pets?
Two Black Labs - Doc-3 & Bud-4 (Rescue Dog)

5. What do you do for a living? Work? Stay at home?
Telecommunications

6. What is your favorite movie?
Agree - Sound of Music

7. What is your favorite book?
Any books that help me deal with my difficult daughter

8. What is/are your favorite TV show(s)?
Now we are talking! Survivor, Dancing With The Stars, Amazing Race, CSI-LV or CSI-NY, Samantha Who?, Project Runway, The Mentalist, Big Bang Theory, Criminal Minds.....O.K. It would probably be easier to tell you what I don't watch. Hunting or car shows or any house reality shows (Housewives of XXX, etc)

9. What is your favorite food?
Don't really have a favorite. I like most foods.

10. What type of music do you listen to? Do you have a favorite group/singer/band etc.?
Again....now we are talking! Music is a HUGE part of my life. I listen to everything except Classical & Heavy Metal.

11. Where did you do your schooling from?
Cardinal Stritch College

12. Do you like sports? What's your favorite football team?
Not really. Do like watching Brett Favre and LOVE the rivalry between the Packers & Vikings

13. How many siblings do you have?
One younger brother

14. Did you always want to be a XXX? (your profession)
Nope. Just evolved into it through various jobs.

15. What do you like to do in your spare time?
Upload music to my iPod, surf the net while watching my DVR TV Shows. I also bowl on a league in the winter and golf in the summer. ALL of course in between raising children and working.

16. Any interesting places that you've traveled to lately?
NO!! That's why we are going on this cruise!

17. Any particular cuisines or dishes that you like the most?
I'd have to say Chinese or Italian since we don't have that very much.

18. What is your attitude when it comes to money? Are you a spender or a saver?
I RARELY pay full price for anything but yet I can't seem to save either!

19. What does your name mean?
Not sure - not really into that. Maybe someone else can tell me - Shelley

20. When is your birthday?
March 26

21. What is your zodiac sign?
Aries

22. What are your preferences when it comes to clothes and fashion?
I like to dress up. I even try to dress up jeans but usually wear sweats on the weekends.

23. Are you an introvert or an extrovert?
Extrovert! Happy to start talking to you and telling you who I am and what I'm all about!

24. Are you an outdoors person?
Agree...kind of have to be when you live in the northern part of the states.

25. Are you an adventurous person by nature or do you prefer playing it safe?
Adventurous for sure

26. How was your childhood like?
Normal

27. Post a recent picture of yourself....:)
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Griffith6
aka Debbie


1. Where do you live?
Southern California

2. Are you married? How long?
11 years in July

3. Do you have any children? Ages?
3 girls (ages 8, 7, & 4) and 1 son (age 3)

4. Do you have any pets?
2 cats and a lovable yellow Labrador dog

5. What do you do for a living? Work? Stay at home?
I am an investment advisor and have been with my firm for 11 years – working a 3 day (part-time schedule) – best of both worlds!

6. What is your favorite movie?
Chick flicks in general - love a good laugh and warm fuzzy romance

7. What is your favorite book?
I read economic/business stuff for work – so reading is not a favorite pastime – but love to read to my kids

8. What is/are your favorite TV show(s)?
I used to watch more shows – NCIS, Brothers & Sisters, Army Wives, etc but find I would rather go to bed since I am up early to exercise before work or my crazy days running around with my kids.

9. What is your favorite food?
A crusty loaf of french bread with butter or French fries! And wine!

10. What type of music do you listen to? Do you have a favorite group/singer/band etc.?
With 3 girls we have a lot of Miley Cyrus/Hannah Montana and Taylor Swift playing in our house. But I grew up listening to Neil Diamond and have to admit I am a closet fan!

11. Where did you do your schooling from?
University of San Diego

12. Do you like sports? What's your favorite football team?
Wish my university had a big sports team (would have gone to a bigger school if I had it to do over). Hubby is a big Denver Broncos fan so that seems to be the family team although I like to root for “whoever is playing the broncos” just to give him a hard time. We love youth soccer – girls are big players!

13. How many siblings do you have?
1 older brother that lives in same community – his son and my oldest go to 3rd grade together :)

14. Did you always want to be a XXX? (your profession)
I was a CPA for first career out of college – great first profession. I like client service and helping people make money with their money (which is how I describe my work to my kids). But growing up I wanted to be a dolphin trainer until my dad asked me “how many flipper trainers do you think get jobs”?? So I studied accounting!!

15. What do you like to do in your spare time?
Cook, drink wine, entertain with friends, shop, and play with my kids

16. Any interesting places that you've traveled to lately?
We spent a week in August with our friends in Seattle area – LOVE the pacific northwest during the summer. We dug clams, harvested mussels, went on their boat and just enjoyed the outdoors with the kids – the best!

17. Any particular cuisines or dishes that you like the most?
I like food in general – a good pasta, yummy steak, but also like lighter salads and fresh veggies

18. What is your attitude when it comes to money? Are you a spender or a saver?
I am fiscally conservative overall and plan for future but not afraid to spend money at the mall or on nice things for the family (like vacations!)

19. What does your name mean?
??

20. When is your birthday?
Feb 3

21. What is your zodiac sign?
Aquarius

22. What are your preferences when it comes to clothes and fashion?
I am pretty traditional with fashion – nothing to trendy but like a more classic look

23. Are you an introvert or an extrovert?
Extrovert – I like to be with friends and have people over on weekends – the more the merrier!

24. Are you an outdoors person?
I am active and love the beach and being outside with the kids. But would not say I have interest in camping and hiking. I am more a hotel style girl.

25. Are you an adventurous person by nature or do you prefer playing it safe?
I am pretty conservative but not a worry wart.

26. How was your childhood like?
Great and was a good student but would not want to be back in jr high, high school or college again with exams, papers, etc!!

27. Post a recent picture of yourself....
A recent family photo at the beach (Christmas card unless we get something fun from the Magic!).

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Yeah!! Nice to see Shelley and Debbie jumping in.
Shelley - my DD finally got around to sending that email to your DD.
Steph - she sent one to your DD too.
She has one more to send. She's starting to get into this. :cool1:

And my computer was acting so slowwwww last night. For some reason it wouldn't let me upload any pictures to the Dis. I think its because it was a really crappy picture and the computer knew I shouldn't put it out there. :rotfl2:

Debbie - Where do you work if you don't mind me asking? I spent 11 years at some form of Citigroup.
 
Debbie - Where do you work if you don't mind me asking? I spent 11 years at some form of Citigroup.

I am a portfolio manager at Everett Harris & Co - a private asset advisor with main office in Los Angeles but I have a small office in OC (2 miles from home). We have $5billion of assets under management and run stock and bond portfolios. The Dow hit 10,000 yesterday so business is a little more fun than a year ago!!
 
Hi everyone

Sorry I kind of dropped away, I have been really sick since the massive dust storm. I don’t know if you guys saw any of the pictures but we woke up one morning and outside was glowing red. We immediately though CRAP bush fire :scared1: but we couldn’t smell smoke, so turned on the tv and found it was a massive dust storm (with red dust from the outback) that was carried into the city. I can’t event explain it, I have never seen anything like it, really creepy & eerie. And everything was covered in about ½ to an inch of thick red dust.

Anyway I ended up with terrible asthma & a lung infection, it was so unusal that they don’t think it will ever happen again.

The pictures explain much better than words

http://www.flickr.com/photos/estelucy/3945853870/

http://dailycontributor.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/dust-storm-turns-sydney-skies-red.jpg

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thankfully I am feeling much better now, and the only plus was sitting at home I was able to make up some really great Aussie packs for our FE gifts :thumbsup2

I'm gathering that you're getting married on the ship Nessa? (I'm a noob so I can't help but I'm curious :))
We sure are, on the 2nd day at sea (the Thursday) some time in the afternoon :cool1:

Suzanne~ You should try RC if you get a chance. They've had some great deals lately, and you're right there. I've loved, loved, loved every cruise I've been on.


WOW! Nessa is getting married on the ship!
That IS exciting....a Disney Cruise ship wedding, huh? What happened with the reception?? That's not cool. I'm sure it'll be fantastic though...you're on a cruise ship, what more could you ask for? Are there lots of guests attending the wedding? How large is the wedding party?


Ahh thanks, it is very exciting it’s our first trip to WDW & our first cruise too. All our plans on the ship have been fixed up, WOOO HOOO (I think with three wedding onboard it must get a bit hectic :lmao:).

We have 8 maybe 10 guests coming, which is amazing (we thought it would just be us) as it’s a massive trip all the way from Australia, we still can’t believe they are all coming

I love the GTKY questions, they are great ! I am going to re read all of them now and post our answers :thumbsup2
 
I added the photo. Hopefully. If it worked...OK, I'll play along, too...

General GTKY…
1. Where do you live?
about an hour north of Manhattan

2. Are you married? How long?
Married 15 years this past June, together 20.

3. Do you have any children? Ages?
We have an 11 year old son and a 7 year old daughter.

4. Do you have any pets?
2 rescue cats- Peaches and Poco. Poco is a tiny little thing with megaesophagus, a lovebug but a ton of work...

5. What do you do for a living? Work? Stay at home?
My background is in Human Genetics, but I've been a SAHM for most of the past 11 years. I do a lot with our PTA and run their Arts in Ed Committee

6. What is your favorite movie?
The Sound of Music

7. What is your favorite book?
Hmm...that's a hard one. I love to read.

8. What is/are your favorite TV show(s)?
The Amazing Race. The Big Bang Theory (that's the geek in me talking).

9. What is your favorite food?
Cheesecake. Strike that. Chocolate cheesecake.

10. What type of music do you listen to? Do you have a favorite group/singer/band etc.?
I like Broadway music best but also Billy Joel, Elton John, folk music, mostly that sort of thing. And PDQ Bach (there's that geek in me, again).

11. Where did you do your schooling from?
I graduated from Brandeis after spending my freshman year abroad at a college in Switzerland. Then grad school in NYC for Genetics, but I left after 7 years before finishing. Long story.

12. Do you like sports? What's your favorite football team?
Ick, sports.

13. How many siblings do you have?
One little sister (not so little now I guess).

14. Did you always want to be a XXX? (your profession)
I always figured I'd be a scientist. I didn't count on hating it so much.

15. What do you like to do in your spare time?
Read, go online (I love online word games like Word Twist and Scramble)

16. Any interesting places that you've traveled to lately?
My best friend and I went to Switzerland and Italy for our 40th(s) this past spring.

17. Any particular cuisines or dishes that you like the most?
I love Greek food.

18. What is your attitude when it comes to money? Are you a spender or a saver?
Honestly, I'd have to admit to being a spender, but I do try to save too, or at least get bargains.

19. What does your name mean?
Lily
20. When is your birthday?
Nov. 9

21. What is your zodiac sign?
Scorpio

22. What are your preferences when it comes to clothes and fashion?
Casual- jeans and a sweater, crocs.

23. Are you an introvert or an extrovert?
Introvert.

24. Are you an outdoors person?
Outdoors... Also "ick". But the rest of the family likes the outdoors so I go along :^)

25. Are you an adventurous person by nature or do you prefer playing it safe?
A little of each.

26. How was your childhood like?
Ummm, normal. Ish.

27. Post a recent picture of yourself....
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HAPPY Thursday everyone! I had a dream last night that I found the perfect formal dress for the cruise....lol...Do you think I'm thinking too much about this trip?? hehe...I'm even dreaming of it.



Shelley..
I'm looking forward to our DD's meeting. Mine's 6...but with her cousin (Crunch-Jen) who's 5...I'm sure they will all meld together. I hope they have some time together in the clubs!
I looked up your name and is said:Old English name, meaning "sloped meadow"...:)
I'm impressed that you bowl and golf. We did a "bowling league" a long time ago when I worked at the childcare facility. It was mostly just "fun"...because none of us were very good..lol...As far as golf--I love mini golf...hehe...but again, that doesn't mean I'm good at it!
As far as a picture--if you have any on your computer you can "upload" them to free picture hosting sites like www.shutterfly.com, or www.photobucket.com, and then you'd be able to post it....BUT...that can be a pain!

Debbie...
YAY! Another little one my son's age....When will be be 4? Mine turns 4 February 22nd. Will your 7 year old be going to the 5-7 group? I bet she'd have fun with the "girls" too! My husband works in Accounting (and he's going to school nights to get his MBA)...He'll be excited when I tell him what you do for work. He loves "playing around" with investments (not that I'm saying your job is playing around...;) I'm just saying he like investments)...he even has this little simulator program. Ideally he would like to work in a financial analyst position someday...but I think deep down he's enjoy doing something like you do. :) I love your family photo! I'm so impressed that everyone is in one piece, looking at the camera--AND looking so great! Beautiful family indeed. That pic makes me long to be on the beach...:) Soon enough, right?

Nessa...
I imagine you're uber busy and I'm sorry you're been sick...we forgive you...;) I can't believe that sand storm. OH MY! Stay safe and healthy. Are you all set for the wedding? I still can't believe you're heading up the FE with all you have to do for your wedding...:) How nice of you. P.S. I'm still trying to decide if we'll participate--when's the cutoff?
 
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