100,000 DVC members = no availability : when?

[Juliet25]

I think I'm a disgruntled new DVC owner. I just tried to book a studio for next January at BWV (my home resort) and it's not available.

Kind of wished I bought into SSR if that's where I'm going to end up staying.

 

[Jen D]

I think I'm a disgruntled new DVC owner. I just tried to book a studio for next January at BWV (my home resort) and it's not available.

Kind of wished I bought into SSR if that's where I'm going to end up staying.

Marathon week?

You'll probably do okay with the waitlist, although I know that is frustrating. Good luck!

 

[rinkwide]

SSR Owners who love SSR are the happiest DVCers in the World.

At least until Disney Vacation Development gives the green-light on Behemoth Villas - a 200 acre, 3000 unit resort adjacent to Disney's Wide World of Sports. Then you'll be just like the rest of us.

 

[Beca]

Beca, this is true. I just tried to book a studio for sun -thursday the first week of december and nothing was available until the 8th. We did get a studio for the 10,11, and 12th. It does appear that the first week in December is definitely becoming 11 months out or nothing. This will also probably be true soon of Food and wine, thanksgiving and Christmas.

I'm so sorry!!! I guess this is the "new" way of life we will have to live with.



Beca

 

[Dean]

I think I'm a disgruntled new DVC owner. I just tried to book a studio for next January at BWV (my home resort) and it's not available.

Kind of wished I bought into SSR if that's where I'm going to end up staying.

Clarification. Was no studio available or just not the type you wanted? I'm presuming none but wanted to be sure.

 

[boatboatboat]

At least until Disney Vacation Development gives the green-light on Behemoth Villas - a 200 acre, 3000 unit resort adjacent to Disney's Wide World of Sports. Then you'll be just like the rest of us.

Does this board have a "Post of the day" award?

 

[Simba's Mom]

Just to let people know that things aren't always too bad-YET-I just booked a week in mid-September (less than 7 months). For the nights I wanted, I had a choice of BCV, or all 3 views at BWV were available. I didn't ask about any other resorts.

 

[Juliet25]

Clarification. Was no studio available or just not the type you wanted? I'm presuming none but wanted to be sure.

It was a standard view studio from Jan. 2-12. I did this by email, which probably wasn't smart.

I'll call soon to get a better idea of when something is available.

 

[Dean]

It was a standard view studio from Jan. 2-12. I did this by email, which probably wasn't smart.

I'll call soon to get a better idea of when something is available.

Standard views are tough and generally should be booked at 11 months out, usually day by day, for any unit type and time of year. I'm sure preferred, but likely not BW view, is available.

 

[CNMooner]

I was thrilled that our family loved SSR so much. Beca is right, I can plan later, add days, etc and SSR will allow those that want to stay there alot of flexibility that the Buy where you want to stay crowd will not have.

I bought where I want to stay, BCV BWV OKW and SSR! LOL! But I have found that being an owner does not guarantee you a ressie at your home resort. Especially if you are wishy washy! So to me, buying where you want to stay is an expensive way to hear no! You cant blame lack of availability at 8-11 months on SSR owners. They are not even in the picture yet and still many owners are finding themselves on the waitlist.

Plus when the CR is built and subsequent resorts and they are a part of DVC II, they will leave VWL and BCV in the dust. And I own there! Not only are people purchasing SSR, they are purchasing the new family of resorts that will follow SSR just like BWV VWL and BCV followed OKW. That's when the value of owning DVC II will really become apparent.

I feel for the newbies that are bombarded with BWYWTS. All it guarantees is that you will be on the phone to MS at 9am EST booking day by day! Miss a day and you will be on the waitlist with the rest of us! LOL!

Buy because you love the concept of DVC, buy because all the resorts are beautiful and being at any of them is better than being anywhere else. Buy because you love Disney. If you buy because you want to stay at BCV and only BCV (0r any ONE DVC resort), you will be disappointed.

What a great post. THANK YOU.

 

[DrTomorrow]

At least until Disney Vacation Development gives the green-light on Behemoth Villas - a 200 acre, 3000 unit resort adjacent to Disney's Wide World of Sports. Then you'll be just like the rest of us.

You mean then I can complain about how people are buying into that #$@!* bigger resort with the intent of staying at my home resort?

(in best Monty Burns voice) Excellent.....

 

[FoxxBoys]

We called today to book a 7-night Western Caribbean cruise onboard the Disney Magic followed by a 3-night stay at our home resort, Disney's Saratoga Springs Resort. Within the same call, both requests were met and we're now counting down the days until our next DVC vacation.

Sure, this isn't the case for everyone... but it's all about flexibility. Not only is one of the benefits of our Membership flexibility, but that goes for us Members too. We need to be flexible too. Afterall, there are only so many units available. It's bound to happen that the date we want is already confirmed by someone else. Our Membership guarantees the value of our accommodations through 2042 (pre-DSSR) or 2054 (DSSR)... not the availability of the dates we want to travel.

Our Membership provides us with a scant chance that we'll be one of 123+ (number of units available at DHHIR on any given night) Member families who can book an accommodation at our home resort on the date we want. The chances increase as the number of accommodations increase at our home resort. Right now, those who own at DOKWR have the greatest chance to get the date we want on the first day of the 11-month booking window for the date of our choice. DOKWR Members own at a resort with more than 700 units available on any given night of arrival. When DSSR is built-out, those of us who own at DSSR will have the greatest opportunity to get the date we want on the first day of the 11-month booking window for the date of our choice. We'll have more than 1,200 units available on any given night of arrival. Our 11-month window will afford us the greatest opportunity to get the date we want, more than any other DVC Resort.

It comes down to this. Availability at a DVC Resort is solely based on the number of Memberships owned at each Resort. The more Memberships sold at a DVC Resort, the less availability exists for non-DVC Members (regular Guests). So, when a DVC Resort is "sold out" and new Master contracts are no longer being sold for that Resort, that means owners at that Resort have the greatest chance of getting his or her desired arrival date. Availability at a DVC Resort is made available for booking 11 months out for everyone, including non-DVC Members and DVC Members who don't own at that DVC Resort (if they are willing to pay cash instead of using Vacation Points). If Master contracts are not available at a DVC Resort because it is "sold out," Members who own at that Resort have the first opportunity to book accommodations at that Resort. If Members do not book the available accommodations, the accommodations are released to non-Members to book 60 days prior to arrival. For 11 months to 60 days prior to any given arrival date at a sold-out DVC Resort, Members who own at that resort have first right of refusal to book all available arrival dates at that resort. Within 60 days, any arrival date remaining is up for grabs whether you are a Member or not. At that point, the only advantage of Membership is value (depending on when you purchased your Membership).

David

 

[DisFlan]

We called today to book a 7-night Western Caribbean cruise onboard the Disney Magic followed by a 3-night stay at our home resort, Disney's Saratoga Springs Resort. Within the same call, both requests were met and we're now counting down the days until our next DVC vacation.

Sure, this isn't the case for everyone... but it's all about flexibility. Not only is one of the benefits of our Membership flexibility, but that goes for us Members too. We need to be flexible too. Afterall, there are only so many units available. It's bound to happen that the date we want is already confirmed by someone else. Our Membership guarantees the value of our accommodations through 2042 (pre-DSSR) or 2054 (DSSR)... not the availability of the dates we want to travel.

Our Membership provides us with a scant chance that we'll be one of 123+ (number of units available at DHHIR on any given night) Member families who can book an accommodation at our home resort on the date we want. The chances increase as the number of accommodations increase at our home resort. Right now, those who own at DOKWR have the greatest chance to get the date we want on the first day of the 11-month booking window for the date of our choice. DOKWR Members own at a resort with more than 700 units available on any given night of arrival. When DSSR is built-out, those of us who own at DSSR will have the greatest opportunity to get the date we want on the first day of the 11-month booking window for the date of our choice. We'll have more than 1,200 units available on any given night of arrival. Our 11-month window will afford us the greatest opportunity to get the date we want, more than any other DVC Resort.

It comes down to this. Availability at a DVC Resort is solely based on the number of Memberships owned at each Resort. The more Memberships sold at a DVC Resort, the less availability exists for non-DVC Members (regular Guests). So, when a DVC Resort is "sold out" and new Master contracts are no longer being sold for that Resort, that means owners at that Resort have the greatest chance of getting his or her desired arrival date. Availability at a DVC Resort is made available for booking 11 months out for everyone, including non-DVC Members and DVC Members who don't own at that DVC Resort (if they are willing to pay cash instead of using Vacation Points). If Master contracts are not available at a DVC Resort because it is "sold out," Members who own at that Resort have the first opportunity to book accommodations at that Resort. If Members do not book the available accommodations, the accommodations are released to non-Members to book 60 days prior to arrival. For 11 months to 60 days prior to any given arrival date at a sold-out DVC Resort, Members who own at that resort have first right of refusal to book all available arrival dates at that resort. Within 60 days, any arrival date remaining is up for grabs whether you are a Member or not. At that point, the only advantage of Membership is value (depending on when you purchased your Membership).

David

You have studied well, Grasshopper.




DisFlan

 

[LoveMyDVC2]

Hi everyone!!!

After reading about all the trouble some DVC members had getting their home resort, I feel very luck about my reservations for my April (Easter week) vacation.

This is my first trip "home" as we bought SSR last July. I decided to stay at BWV for our first trip because my SIL and DB have that as thier "home". They have always had great things to say about it.

I did not have any trouble getting what I wanted. I was advised by my SIL to call the day I was within my 7 month window, and I did just that. We will be staying in a PV pool view Studio.

At the time of making my reservation I thought it was easier than I was told and I was prepared to stay elsewhere. However, after reading many posts of the many dificulties members are experiencing, I will appreciate my stay at BWV more, as I don't know when I will be able/want to stay their again. I plan on visiting all DVC resorts and finding the one I enjoy the most.

In July/August I plan to split a 9 day stay between WLV and SSR! I will make those reservations last minute. So....I guess, according to the post on these boards, I may not get into the WLV. right?

Anyway, more imprtantly, I just wanted to send out a friendly HELLO to you all! as I am new to the Boards and this is my first post.

 

[AFMom]

Reading this was making me nervous...... then I realized - other than going for the 1st week of Dec this year - we never plan on traveling at peak times (for DVC or the parks), we love all of the resorts - but the 2 resorts we won't be staying at are WLV and BCV- the points are too high! I just can't spend the points for a night at BCV knowing how many points I can save at OKW or SSR. The resort is beautiful, SAB looks like a lot of fun - but for the time being - we just can't justify it. I would like to try a BWV SV at some point - but we're quite happy with the OKW and SSR resorts and point charts! And yes - we own at both.

 

[DisFlan]

There were 85,017 fully paid MEMBERS on 31 Dec, 2004 so that number sounds reasonable.

Dean - just to clarify, this means there are 85,000 or 100,000 (whatever the current number is) Blue Card holders? Is there anywhere to find how many members or contracts there are at each resort?

We have one contract, but we have four cards. I'm sure there are many variations - not just two cards per contract.


DisFlan

 

[dvc_john]

Dean - just to clarify, this means there are 85,000 or 100,000 (whatever the current number is) Blue Card holders? Is there anywhere to find how many members or contracts there are at each resort?

We have one contract, but we have four cards. I'm sure there are many variations - not just two cards per contract.


DisFlan

I'm not Dean, but my take on it is that 'member' does not mean how many card holders, but rather how many member ID numbers have been assigned.

So one contract, one member ID# with 2 owners would be 1 member.
And two contracts with one member ID# (same UY) and 2 owners would also be 1 member.
And two contracts with two member ID#'s (different UY) and 1 owner would be 2 members.
I own 10 contracts by myself under a single member ID#, and would count that as 1 member.
MY brother and his wife (2 owners) own 3 contracts with two ID#'s, and that would count as 2 members.

I do not know this as fact, it is just my opinion.

 

[Dean]

Dean - just to clarify, this means there are 85,000 or 100,000 (whatever the current number is) Blue Card holders? Is there anywhere to find how many members or contracts there are at each resort?

We have one contract, but we have four cards. I'm sure there are many variations - not just two cards per contract.


DisFlan

The info says number of "fully paid members". I also read it as number of separate contracts, not number of people listed on those contracts. This info comes from the exchange audit info. I don't personally know a good way to get this amount of detail resort by resort but one might contact their guide to see if they can get it. The problem with doing it this way is the same as getting the percent sold from the guides. You might get an answer but wouldn't know for certain how accurate it was. The 2005 info should be available in June and I'll update my related thread with the info provided.

 

[DisFlan]

Thanks, Dean. I'll look forward to the info - and thanks for your effort!


DisFlan