You can ride TT or Soarin but not both...agghh!

[Silock]

touring plans shows a level 10 day at about 119 standby for TT. 116 minute for Soarin. And this is the middle of the day mind you. At night, the wait gets shorter by 15-25 minutes. but lets go with the worst 1pm wait time for the entire day.

So I show up at noon. I'm done riding TT at 2:20. go use the restroom, then walk clear over to soarin.

Lets say I arrive at 3. Finished riding it at 5:20. get a quick bite, go to bathroom.

I'm back at TT by 6. done riding at 8:30.

that's three rides, two bathrooms, and some food. and the park is open still.

not a great day, for sure, but not as bad as what has been suggested not even close.

And remember when I said "Not always?" The lines for TT and Soarin' are often longer than 2 hours on level 10 days. Just a few weeks ago, Soarin' and TT were both over 280 minute waits. I think Test Track was up at like 310 or something.

Also, you're not counting walking time to and from the attraction, or other incidentals that can cause a delay, such as congestion inside the Land pavilion.

 

[DividedSky]

Sorry, but what you've described is pretty darn stinky in my book (but what do I know? I'm just a negative naysayer). The plan you described requires sacrificing almost your entire visit to accomplish those few rides... no shows, no other attractions, no thank you. But, hey... you got to use the bathroom twice.

I just demonstrated the absolute absurdity of prior claims, and the best you can do is that?



If you are spending money on a level 10 Epcot day, you better use your 1 usable fast pass, and you better re-consider the sleep in.

no adult depends are necessary though.

 

[DividedSky]

And remember when I said "Not always?" The lines for TT and Soarin' are often longer than 2 hours on level 10 days. Just a few weeks ago, Soarin' and TT were both over 280 minute waits. I think Test Track was up at like 310 or something.

Also, you're not counting walking time to and from the attraction, or other incidentals that can cause a delay, such as congestion inside the Land pavilion.

I did count walking time to and from the attraction.

what day encountered 280 minute waits? I can go verify that given the day in question.

 

[Silock]

I did count walking time to and from the attraction.

what day encountered 280 minute waits? I can go verify that given the day in question.

https://twitter.com/TouringPlans/status/285894161486446592

EDIT: I don't see walking time from arrival to Test Track or from Test Track to wherever you're eating (not to mention, you won't be able to just get food immediately -- there are long lines at 5:30 especially).

 

[DividedSky]

https://twitter.com/TouringPlans/status/285894161486446592

i'm not sure if this is open to anyone without a subscription or not.

http://touringplans.com/walt-disney-world/crowd-calendar/date/2013-12-31

at noon, you had a 2 hour wait. unlike most days, the night time crowd never thinned, because of new years eve and remained around two hours. you cherry picked a 45 minute window where it peaked at a ridiculous amount

even getting there at noon, and not using your single fast pass, and cherry picking the worst level 10 day of the year, the claims that you can't ride both is patently false.

 

[Silock]

i'm not sure if this is open to anyone without a subscription or not.

http://touringplans.com/walt-disney-world/crowd-calendar/date/2013-12-31

at noon, you had a 2 hour wait. unlike most days, the night time crowd never thinned, because of new years eve and remained around two hours. you cherry picked a 45 minute window where it peaked at a ridiculous amount

even getting there at noon, and not using your single fast pass, and cherry picking the worst level 10 day of the year, the claims that you can't ride both is patently false.

I didn't cherry pick a window. It was over 200 for both attractions at multiple points in the day.

And if you want to be precise, at noon, it was over 2 hours posted, and at 12:48, the observed wait time was 220 minutes. So, if you arrived at noon, it's highly doubtful you were out of there by 2:20.

On that same day at noon, Soarin' was at a 250 minute wait. So, maybe you decide to do TT instead, but you're still waiting far longer than 2 hours. By 3 and a little after, the waits are back up to over 210 and 250 minutes. And they stay that way. At 9 pm, Soarin' still had a 220 minute wait.

 

[DividedSky]

I didn't cherry pick a window. It was over 200 for both attractions at multiple points in the day.

And if you want to be precise, at noon, it was over 2 hours posted, and at 12:48, the observed wait time was 220 minutes. So, if you arrived at noon, it's highly doubtful you were out of there by 2:20.

On that same day at noon, Soarin' was at a 250 minute wait. So, maybe you decide to do TT instead, but you're still waiting far longer than 2 hours. By 3 and a little after, the waits are back up to over 210 and 250 minutes. And they stay that way. At 9 pm, Soarin' still had a 220 minute wait.

correct, the actual wait time at noon was 140 minutes. But do you realize how obvious your agenda is?

go look at the thread title here. "you can ride TT or Soarin, but not both".

I just proved that I can go into the park at noon, not use a single fast pass, and ride both rides on the worst day of the year.

and here you are squabbling with me over a 20 minutes. did you ever point out the incredible inaccuracy of the thread starter? DID YOU?

let's look at his claims in the light of day.

I'm rope dropping on an Epcot 10 day. I'm also fast passing. now put aside your obvious agenda here, and tell me, how many times could you of ridden those two rides on new years eve using rope drop and a single fast pass?

I know the honest answer. I think you do to. share it with us please.

 

[Silock]

go look at the thread title here. "you can ride TT or Soarin, but not both".

With FP+

I just proved that I can go into the park at noon, not use a single fast pass, and ride both rides on the worst day of the year.

You THEORETICALLY proved it. And congrats. You spent $100 on two rides. Yay.

I'm rope dropping on an Epcot 10 day. I'm also fast passing. now put aside your obvious agenda here, and tell me, how many times could you of ridden those two rides on new years eve using rope drop and a single fast pass?

I know the honest answer. I think you do to. share it with us please.

The honest answer is that you can't do much else, which is the crux of the issue. Sorry you refuse to acknowledge that.

 

[Laketravis]

Dang .... sure seems like a lot of work just to ride two lame a$$ rides.

 

[DividedSky]

You THEORETICALLY proved it.

I used actual reported wait times on your cherry picked worst day of the year. that isn't theoretical.

me ~ I could ride two tier one rides on a day considered a 10, without rope drop and without a fast pass.

you ~ Not always

me ~ Yes. Always. Even at a 4 hour standby it could be done.

you ~ nope

me ~ uses actual facts from touringplans.com to prove you wrong.

The honest answer is that you can't do much else, which is the crux of the issue. Sorry you refuse to acknowledge that.

the crux of the issue is you have an agenda that is preventing you from honestly participating in this forum. you ignore completely untrue and unrealistic explanations, and go to great lengths to correct a 20 minute discrepancy even though it didn't invalidate the point you were arguing against.

And congrats. You spent $100 on two rides. Yay

using a rope drop and a fast pass+, I could do both tier one rides twice. eat lunch and dinner, and still not rely on an adult diaper.

 

[DividedSky]

Dang .... sure seems like a lot of work just to ride two lame a$$ rides.

speaking of agendas

 

[Laketravis]

speaking of agendas

Whatever.

Here, maybe you'll like this plan: FP+ Touring Strategy

 

[Silock]

I used actual reported wait times on your cherry picked worst day of the year. that isn't theoretical.

I didn't cherry pick. I guarantee you I could find another day with more than 2 hour waits at both attractions. Probably more than 3.

*You* were the one that picked the time frame. All I said was that TT and Soarin' both routinely have more than 2 hour waits on level 10 days, which is absolutely true. I only added that it is recently (post FP+, mind you) that they have seen RECORD BREAKING STANDBY WAITS.

me ~ uses actual facts from touringplans.com to prove you wrong.

You haven't actually done this, so it's just an exercise in thought only.

But what have you REALLY DONE? You have theoretically spent hours in line, doing nothing but standing around and PAYING for it. That's not fun. That's not worth my money.

the crux of the issue is you have an agenda that is preventing you from honestly participating in this forum. you ignore completely untrue and unrealistic explanations, and go to great lengths to correct a 20 minute discrepancy even though it didn't invalidate the point you were arguing against.

Yeah, here's the deal, chief: I don't care what you think about me because the truth is obvious to anyone with half a brain. Everyone that is used to riding a ride more than once per day knows that this new system is worse than the old one. Everyone also knows that the current system is less fair than the old one, due to offsite guests being shut out, but they either don't care because they're an on-site guest that gets the privilege, or they never used FP very much to begin with.

Toot your own horn all you want, but you just theoretically spent an entire day riding two rides. If that's how you like to spend your time, GREAT. But it's not a good deal for me.

So . . . yay?

 

[DividedSky]

Whatever.

Here, maybe you'll like this plan: FP+ Touring Strategy

I don't think a touring strategy from someone that considers soarin to be a lame *** ride is one I am going to waste my time on.

I somewhat agree with TT. I mean, lame *** is a bit far. that should be reserved for EO or Maelstrom, but it isn't a thrill ride in my mind.

 

[lilluv117]

YMMV on this. In the past I have had some CMs who would not let us use the FP line when child swapping unless we all had FP. It happened twice to me, once on Soarin and once on EE.

From my experience (and I'm not saying that it can't happen another way because it truly depends on how Disney feels like doing things on any given day) we walked up to the line with our kids, asked for a rider swap, are handed a paper ticket from the Cm at the booth prior to entry, then one person walks on the line, scanning their magic band, rides and comes out. The person with the rider swap ticket then goes on line with whoever else wants to ride with them, presents the rider swap ticket, and walks onto the fastpass line, later handing the ticket to the last CM by the ride entrance. I'm going to try it when I go later this month. I'll let you know how it goes! Also, if you both have fastpasses already, you don't really need the rider swap then, do you? :/

 

[DividedSky]

But what have you REALLY DONE? You have theoretically spent hours in line, doing nothing but standing around and PAYING for it. That's not fun. That's not worth my money.

going into a level 10 theme park at noon and not using the fp+ is a waste of money. sort of.... If That Dec 31st visit was the first of a 7-10 day visit, your cost per day calculation goes way down. the crowds go way down, you get to see fireworks on new years eve, etc, etc. It could be worth the money, that is a personal value judgment.

the lies and BS I have had to wade though over the last week with all the agenda ridden people is utterly ridiculous.

the truth is obvious to anyone with half a brain.

now I think we are finally dealing with the real issue around here.

 

[Mad Hattered]

I somewhat agree with TT. I mean, lame *** is a bit far. that should be reserved for EO or Maelstrom, but it isn't a thrill ride in my mind.

So what you are saying is...because of the tiering in EPCOT, one, possibly two (in your mind) of the T1 rides are lameass? I think that sums up what a lot of the people have a problem with. At least we can all agree on that.

 

[DividedSky]

So what you are saying is...because of the tiering in EPCOT, one of the T1 rides is lameass? I think that sums up what a lot of the people have a problem with. At least we can all agree on that.

my kids loved the ride, but I didn't think it was that big of a deal.

It has nothing to do with tiering, it just isn't that thrilling to me.

Epcot has issues because the things many of us like about that park aren't things you wait in line for. It just isn't a really good kids park IMO.

 

[Silock]

you get to see fireworks on new years eve, etc, etc. It could be worth the money, that is a personal value judgment.

Sure, if you're not still stuck in a line.

 

[Mad Hattered]

my kids loved the ride, but I didn't think it was that big of a deal.

It has nothing to do with tiering, it just isn't that thrilling to me.

Epcot has issues because the things many of us like about that park aren't things you wait in line for. It just isn't a really good kids park IMO.

Which ride are we talking about...TT or Maelstrom? One is an obvious T1 ride and one isn't. I assume you mean Maelstrom? If so...then we all pretty much agree. But FP+ is pushing that on us.

It's not a kids park but they threw Princess M&Gs in to the mix to "try" to get them to like it. They could make it interesting for them but they have chosen not to. It's in a sad state compared to what it used to be. With the tiering and all, it's the epitome of paying more for less.