You can ride TT or Soarin but not both...agghh!

[DividedSky]

I'm sorry you experienced that. It wasn't the norm and I never experienced it.

teens will be teens.

The term "runner" as used here is typically giving all your cards to one person to retrieve the fastpasses. It allows the others to shop or use the restroom or slowly walk to the next attraction. And it also kept the crowds down at the FP machines.

and it means that families that wish to stay together all day in the park were negatively effected by those choosing to split up.

that is the best benefit of fp+.

 

[DividedSky]

That makes no sense. Why would I give one of my own children both wings leaving the other with nothing?

it makes perfect sense. the notion of sharing equally shouldn't end just because it isn't your kids, but for many people, it apparently does end.

 

[morethananyonex]

it makes perfect sense. the notion of sharing equally shouldn't end just because it isn't your kids, but for many people, it apparently does end.

You just have a different opinion of equality than I do.

Equality is giving everyone the same opportunity to take advantage of something. Whether they take advantage or not is their choice. You conveniently ignored the rest of my post, but what I asked was what's stopping any other wing eaters from getting up and getting the wings too? Nothing, except their decision not to. Once you pay, the rules of a Disney buffet states that you can eat anything you choose to. There is nothing disallowing people from eating multiples of an item in the name of fairness.

If you are truly for equality, do you believe in leaving your children at home for any consecutive Disney vacations past their first, and taking other children who have never been in their place? After all, equality shouldn't end just because it isn't your kids.

 

[The V Gang]

the op explained his kids were mad. sorry for the confusion. If my kids were also mad, I would explain it in such a manner so they would understand.

They are disappointed. That's all. It is what it is. We include the kids in all planning aspects of our trips. It gets them excited and I've found their tastes change over the years. After the discussion about Epcot, My oldest asked if we could try Universal next year (we've never been and they never asked). I found it interesting that she echoed the frustrations of many disboarders without ever reading any posts. I was also struck by how easily she accepted it and suggested an alternative. Maybe Disney should consult tweens....lol.

Someone had mentioned we seem to be on a very restrictive touring plan . I feel it's the opposite of restrictive. We tour in a way that keeps us happy and rested. For us than means no RD. And new this year- no ddp (last year the daily rush to get to o huh r ADR's wasn't always welcome).

Thanks to the EMH evening suggestions. We almost always stay until closing. Last year soarin and TT had long waits even at 15 min to closing but we will definitely try again!

 

[Silock]

Did they reduce the total number of fast passes being issued on a given ride in a given day?

I don't know either way for sure. I have no way of knowing with any degree of certainty the exact number of fast passes issued.

It's really irrelevant, though. The fact is that people aren't getting to ride as much as they're used to and aren't happy about it.

 

[mom2rtk]

teens will be teens.

So all teens run and push?

and it means that families that wish to stay together all day in the park were negatively effected by those choosing to split up.

that is the best benefit of fp+.

But it took very little time to have someone go up to the machine and get the tickets. Is the family together when one goes in the restroom and the other waits outside?

With FP+, it's far more likely the family will be split up doing rides (which take far more time than "running" for a fastpass) as some use single rider as a "fix" to the new system, or as dad takes the little kids on their favorite FP+ ride while mom takes the older kids on their favorite thrill ride. (because it's hard to make everybody happy with a limit of 3)

 

[Mkrop]

yes, everyone is limited to one tt or one soarin FP.

but TT and Soarin will move the same total number of riders through as it always did.

so here is the plain ol truth: If you find you can't ride those as much as you did in the past, someone else was really getting the screw job. You are basically mad because someone else is being able to ride the ride now, when in the past they were getting shut out.

If my kids were mad about it, I would explain it in such a way. allow them to understand that they need to share the park, not be mad because they have to share the park.

Nobody was getting the screwed job...EVERYONE with a valid ticket had the same option to pull a FP- for their effort to get to the parks. It did not matter where you stayed, whether you owned a smart phone etc. There are still people who are getting "screwed" in FP+. The groups have just changed. Now the "screwed" group are the offsite folks who dont get to pull their FPs until the day of. Even if you buy tickets to a sold out movie beforehand, you need to make sure you are there early to get seats together. Are you going to give up your seats or your FP+s to now share with the offsite folks?

I would not explain to my kids sharing the park, I would rather teach them that if you make an effort to earn something you will be rewarded.


OP we are rope droppers but I can understand if your family is not, I would suggest a day of rope drop followed by a day to sleep in...have fun

 

[DividedSky]

So all teens run and push?

no. some are raised better. maybe try not to read into things? not everything is a fight.

good day

 

[DividedSky]

I don't know either way for sure. I have no way of knowing with any degree of certainty the exact number of fast passes issued.

It's really irrelevant, though. The fact is that people aren't getting to ride as much as they're used to and aren't happy about it.

it is the most relevant question of all.

unless disney creates more rides that disperse the crowd, this is a better policy for sharing limited resources amongst park guests.

those that hate it hate it because they found a way to increase their ride capability at the expense of someone else.

you can justify it all you want, but the old dog eat dog legacy fast pass policy is over.

 

[The V Gang]

I don't know if this has been suggested yet but you mentioned you have a 2 year old and have done rider swap. You could do fastpass Soarin' for some people in your party and then do rider swap and then fastpass for Test Track for the other people of the family and then do rider swap there too. Each rider swap allows up to 6 riders (if I remember correctly) so some people that already rode can even go back and ride again! That way you only have to wait a short time between rides and you get to ride both rides using fastpass. That's what we are planning on doing in my group since we'd be using rider swap anyway.

Great minds think alike! I was thinking of t hat to but I read on another thread that both people participating in rider swap (ie parents) have to have an FP for the ride.

 

[DividedSky]

Nobody was getting the screwed job...EVERYONE with a valid ticket had the same option to pull a FP-

and now everyone has a better chance of pulling a fast pass on a hot ticket ride.

yay!!!!!

 

[larryz]

Nope. No functioning early risers in our crew....lol. We let them sleep in and usually stay until closing.

So your option is to FP+ one and wait in SB for the other. I suggest visiting Mexico just before getting in line for your SB experience...

The Cava has some good options for long line preparation.

 

[morethananyonex]

Great minds think alike! I was thinking of t hat to but I read on another thread that both people participating in rider swap (ie parents) have to have an FP for the ride.

Currently only the first group has to hold FP in order for both groups to go through the FP line (one with swap, one with FP). The swap pass does not get 6 people in though, it gets in 3. Disney's site states 2 people only, but it's reported that 3 is still the rule in the parks.

 

[The V Gang]

I understand that everyone has an internal clock. And messing with one's internal clock on vacation can sure suck some of the fun out of the experience. Mine is an early clock. I'm up whether I set an alarm or not. So rope drop has been great for me. But on the flip side, I find it very hard to stay in the parks until close and enjoy those lower ride lines and night entertainment.

But I do get very annoyed when people think the world should somehow accommodate them because they choose to sleep late (as in taking away some of what early risers enjoyed with legacy FP and "saving" capacity for the late risers.)

Just to be clear I didn't insinuate that the world should accomodate our sleep patterns. My issue is the tiering and limitations.

 

[Silock]

it is the most relevant question of all.

unless disney creates more rides that disperse the crowd, this is a better policy for sharing limited resources amongst park guests.

those that hate it hate it because they found a way to increase their ride capability at the expense of someone else.

you can justify it all you want, but the old dog eat dog legacy fast pass policy is over.

No, it isn't over. You can try to justify laziness all you want, but there was nothing unfair about the old system. It is far less fair now, especially for offsite guests.

But we've been over this before. You know, with your old username.

 

[mom2rtk]

Just to be clear I didn't insinuate that the world should accomodate our sleep patterns. My issue is the tiering and limitations.

My apologies. You did not. I was making a general statement about how so many of these discussions have gone, but this was your thread, not everyone else's.

 

[larryz]

unless disney creates more rides that disperse the crowd, this is a better policy for sharing limited resources amongst park guests.

If Disney were really concerned about everybody getting their fair share of rides, there wouldn't be an entrance fee. No, this is all about managing increasing crowds with limited FP+ availability.

I'd almost prefer they do away with FP altogether, and put EVERYBODY back on equal footing. You decide when you want to ride, and then you get in line -- the same line as everybody else -- and wait your stinkin' turn.

 

[Silock]

and now everyone has a better chance of pulling a fast pass on a hot ticket ride.

yay!!!!!

Yeah, except offsite guests. Or guests that want to ride two rides in tier 1. Yay!!! /sarcasm

 

[The V Gang]

So your option is to FP+ one and wait in SB for the other. I suggest visiting Mexico just before getting in line for your SB experience...

The Cava has some good options for long line preparation.

Hahahahaha....great suggestion! A nice marguerita would definitely help the looooong wait!

 

[morethananyonex]

Hahahahaha....great suggestion! A nice marguerita would definitely help the looooong wait!

Too bad the kids can't have them too